Quote from: taxed on February 10, 2012, 09:47:26 AM
Provide proof that those personalities eluded that Hussein was born outside the US, or Kenya.  Please provide proof, or retract your inference.

Dang!  You're right! I skipped lunch and couldn't find a single one!  I even googled "birther" and didn't get a single hit!

You're one smart cooking, Mr.  Taxed.  No wonder you were once known as "the griller of libs!"

I will now curl up in the fetal position and suck my thumb. 

Quote from: elmerfudd on February 10, 2012, 10:09:06 AM
Dang!  You're right! I skipped lunch and couldn't find a single one!  I even googled "birther" and didn't get a single hit!

You're one smart cooking, Mr.  Taxed.  No wonder you were once known as "the griller of libs!"

I still got it.....

Quote from: taxed on February 10, 2012, 10:12:08 AM
I still got it.....

You should run for high office.  With you and St. Sarah of Wasilla on the same ticket, that would be an unbeatable combination. 

Quote from: mdgiles on February 06, 2012, 04:04:04 PM
And whether their resort to extra-Cosntitutional methods opened the door to other abuses of the Constitution?

Just noticed this, MD. Like what?

Quote from: elmerfudd on February 10, 2012, 10:33:23 AM
You should run for high office.  With you and St. Sarah of Wasilla on the same ticket, that would be an unbeatable combination. 

I'd be more of a conservative dictator.  You wouldn't like me.

Quote from: taxed on February 10, 2012, 12:33:27 PM
I'd be more of a conservative dictator.  You wouldn't like me.

So?  Why should that concern you?

Quote from: elmerfudd on February 10, 2012, 12:36:18 PM
So?  Why should that concern you?

I would want your vote.

Quote from: taxed on February 10, 2012, 12:38:15 PM
I would want your vote.

You got it.  I can't wait for the campaign to begin. 

Quote from: Shooterman on February 10, 2012, 12:22:45 PM
Just noticed this, MD. Like what?

The Civil War, which the South started. The funny thing is, that if they had gone through the amendment process - which is what you do when you want to make changes to the Union - the rest of the Union probably would have let them go. As for my other point, some emergency measures in used during the Civil War, came back later to haunt us all - like an income tax. And measures which the public will stand for during a crisis period, won't fly during other times. Almost all of the vast expansion of the government can be laid at the feet of World War 1, the Depression, and World War 2. There's a reason why the Dims are always declaring "war" on one thing or another.

Quote from: mdgiles on February 10, 2012, 05:47:55 PM
The Civil War, which the South started. The funny thing is, that if they had gone through the amendment process - which is what you do when you want to make changes to the Union

Not exactly, MD, with all due respect, one makes changes to the Compact that forms the union, but not the union. The union is no more than the States united in America. Formed by the States meeting in convention to ratify the Compact. ( Constitution ) It was understood by everyone at the Constitutional Convention, that secession was a natural outgrowth of the States no longer believing the union served it's needs.

Quote from: mdgiles on February 10, 2012, 05:47:55 PM
The Civil War, which the South started. The funny thing is, that if they had gone through the amendment process - which is what you do when you want to make changes to the Union - the rest of the Union probably would have let them go. As for my other point, some emergency measures in used during the Civil War, came back later to haunt us all - like an income tax. And measures which the public will stand for during a crisis period, won't fly during other times. Almost all of the vast expansion of the government can be laid at the feet of World War 1, the Depression, and World War 2. There's a reason why the Dims are always declaring "war" on one thing or another.

Why would you go through the amendment process to justify that which was already enshrined in the Constitution? The Constitution was amended, after the war, to codify what the war was supposedly fought for!

Quote from: Shooterman on February 10, 2012, 05:55:15 PM
Not exactly, MD, with all due respect, one makes changes to the Compact that forms the union, but not the union. The union is no more than the States united in America. Formed by the States meeting in convention to ratify the Compact. ( Constitution ) It was understood by everyone at the Constitutional Convention, that secession was a natural outgrowth of the States no longer believing the union served it's needs.

The Union was perpetual. That was the understanding when the original states joined. If it weren't, then there would have been no need for an amendment process. Any state could simply called for a do over. Unless the union were permanent, there is no need to include a mechanism for necessary changes. The only thing the Constitution did in 1861 was work. The South had basically dominated the union since it's inception. The North and West had bent over backwards to please the South. Now that the prospect of the South no longer dominating the Union had appeared, the South basically wanted to "take it's ball and go home". Note that when the New England states were talking of Secession during the War of 1812, their method was to send representatives to Washington to INTRODUCE LEGISLATION to bring that about. The South had no more right to secede that John Brown had to seize a Federal arsenal to free the slaves. Both were acts of rebellion. After the Civil War, the government would have been quite within it's rights - which would have been recognized by every other government, of whatever type, on the planet - to try and hang every leader - military and civil - of the Confederacy. There is no "right" to rebellion.