Quote from: Just_the_facts_mamm on February 05, 2012, 04:35:23 PM
I have provided a quote showing he does accept responsibility.

Please back up your claim that he DOES NOT accept responsibility!
You cons are so desperate to find SOMETHING wrong with the Obama administration, you are grasping at the smallest straws.


Let me explain it for you.

The gun issue,
you cons like to portray it like Holder drove down there and put the guns in the bad guys hands.
How many different people are involved in the chain of command  on a program in effect for years before he took over.Seriously people, if this the "stained dress"  issue you guys are going to push, well, it's bit week and makes you look desperate.

I haven't seen anything that shows or says that Holder has accepted any responsibility.  All that I have seen and/or read is Holder and his cohorts saying that they didn't get any of the emails regarding "Fast and Furious".  If that's the case, then he should fire all of his underlings and he should resign.  He's the man in charge, and it's unbelieveable that an operation of this magnitude would not be known by the man in charge and the people immediately under him.  I've smelled that coffee before, and now I can recognize the smell.  Hopefully, some day you'll be able to, too.  Ye gads, you, in this post, said that the operation had been in effect for years.  You're trying to tell me that as the head man Holder would not know about an operation that was in effect for years?  How stupid is he?  I'm not stupid enough to believe that.

Um, just for your info and for your facts, I'm not a con.  I'm a proud RINO!

Quote from: Just_the_facts_mamm on February 05, 2012, 09:26:28 PM
you don't even know that the Bank bailout was signed by Bush!!

GOP did that there constitution stomping!  So blame the GOP for bailing out wall street NOT Obama!

He saved the economy with the stimulus though.

would you like to see where it went?

http://stimuluswatch.org/2.0/

You can look up thousands of stimulus projects, see how much, when it started, stopped. 

Very transparent, like Obama promised it would be.

and here you can read about the fantastic job creation.

http://newsjunkiepost.com/2010/10/08/its-official-more-private-sector-jobs-created-in-2010-than-during-entire-bush-years/

The president can't steal money that congress has given him the power to do with, as he chooses.

The "steal" part would be a conservative adding his "opinion" to reality and pretending it's fact.

This is also a tired issue that we can debate semantics about for awhile but the fact remains that the Bush administration was trying to push it through before he left office, so you should drop it as an example of government evil.

(and yes I have already proved this to you several times, yet here you bring up Solyondra again.)

You also make it seem like NO ONE ever invested in alternative energy before and it was some RADICAL idea!

Many people way smarter than you and I think that is not the case.
I mean what is 'HIS PLAN"  like it's on a poster somewhere that we all memorize?

You should try explaining yourself and not assume that we live and breath Obama trivia!

what are you talking about?.

Tell me "HIS PLAN!"

If you have a speech where the pres says he want $4 gas then you will have to provide it, because to a rational person that sounds a bit DUMB for a president to tell the people!  Bush might have cause he was plain ignorant, but not Obama.

I will bet your above information you attribute to Obama, is out of context and that's why you offer no proof.

Conservatives never have proof. cause they make stuff up or vastly distort the truth hoping you don't look it up..

I'm done teaching your ass, every time I prove you wrong, I get no reply and yuou move on to another thread and endlessly flap your lips.
Here is the proof you asked for, but you really need to understand ALL of his programs have not only been detrimental to our nation, but it is now effecting the world as well.
That info is in the link following.
Obama: My Plan Makes Electricity Rates Skyrocket
Because of corn being used for Ethanol, U.S. reserves of field corn are at their lowest levels in 15 years.   The corn demand for ethanol is now at 4.9 billion bushels per year.
Because of that corn prices have almost doubled, from $3.49 a bushel in July of last year to $6.10 in January of this year.
Because of subsidies, there are fewer farmers growing wheat and cotton and more growing corn.
So here is what you need to know.
The corn that is not going into the market from the U.S, plus, drought in Russia and China, are creating food shortages world-wide.  That means increased food prices for you and me.
But consider this.  1.2 billion people worldwide make $1.25 or less a day.  Of that $1.25, they spend 50% to 80% on food and the rest on medicine or education.
Causing the price of food to double world-wide in just 7 months for a bio-fuel plan that isn't working while over a billion people won't be able to afford food.  That isn't just a debate over economic policy, it is a debate of what is immoral.
And that is Reality Check.     

http://www.fox19.com/story/14528572/reality-check-the-price-of-ethanol

Quote"Causing the price of food to double world-wide in just 7 months for a bio-fuel plan that isn't working while over a billion people won't be able to afford food.  That isn't just a debate over economic policy, it is a debate of what is immoral.
And that is Reality Check."

Solar;
You forget that to the left, all those brown people are simply a plague on "Mother Gaia".
To them it would be "better" if all those Third Worlders starved, and reduced the "surplus" population.

Quote from: mdgiles on February 06, 2012, 06:40:11 AM
Solar;
You forget that to the left, all those brown people are simply a plague on "Mother Gaia".
To them it would be "better" if all those Third Worlders starved, and reduced the "surplus" population.

Tis true Md, they pretend to care about the rest of the world, but truth is, the Dim party is rooted in Eugenics.
But they certainly talk a smooth game...

Quote from: Solar on February 06, 2012, 07:20:22 AM
Tis true Md, they pretend to care about the rest of the world, but truth is, the Dim party is rooted in Eugenics.
But they certainly talk a smooth game...

It's not much of a step from believing only the "Best and Brightest" have a right to rule, to deciding that some people don't even deserve to live.

Quote from: mdgiles on February 06, 2012, 08:51:12 AM
It's not much of a step from believing only the "Best and Brightest" have a right to rule, to deciding that some people don't even deserve to live.

Its an inherent flaw with the liberal mindset of micro managing peoples lives, that collateral damage is bound to occur, that the sacrifice of of the few, benefits the many.

Quote from: Solar on February 06, 2012, 09:16:46 AM
Its an inherent flaw with the liberal mindset of micro managing peoples lives, that collateral damage is bound to occur, that the sacrifice of of the few, benefits the many.

Hayek spoke of it as the problem of information in the economic sphere, but it applies in their social micromanagement also. The people attempting to makes rules for everyone simply don't have access to enough information to make the correct decisions in every - or even the majority - of cases. One size does not fit all. Especially when decisions are made for ideological reasons/ Think back to the collectivization of the Ukraine or China. Millions starved for an bad idea.

Quote from: mdgiles on February 06, 2012, 09:26:42 AM
Hayek spoke of it as the problem of information in the economic sphere, but it applies in their social micromanagement also. The people attempting to makes rules for everyone simply don't have access to enough information to make the correct decisions in every - or even the majority - of cases. One size does not fit all. Especially when decisions are made for ideological reasons/ Think back to the collectivization of the Ukraine or China. Millions starved for an bad idea.

Models the AGW movement perfectly, "Especially when decisions are made for ideological reasons".
Damn the consequences, pull the trigger...