Simply Nanny State Bull Shit!!!
I've no doubt this is unconstitutional.

Starting next year, smoking or vaping inside apartments, condos, or other multi-family housing in Carlsbad, Calif., will be illegal, the city council decided Aug. 20.

In a 4–1 vote Tuesday, city leaders approved a smoke-free ordinance for multi-unit housing in the coastal city of 115,000 people, about 35 miles north of San Diego.

The new law, which will go into effect Jan. 1, 2025, covers all smoking and vaping, including marijuana used for recreational and medical purposes.

Although medical marijuana is legal in California, the city can prohibit its use in some places, according to Carlsbad City Attorney Cindie McMahon.

"The Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) and its state counterpart do not require a reasonable accommodation for anything that poses a health and safety risk to other parties," McMahon said at Tuesday's council meeting.

The city expects landlords and property management companies to enforce the new rules by including them in future lease contracts instead of the city hiring more code enforcement or police officers to respond to citizen complaints.




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Fine by me.

All smokers are assholes. They throw their butts on the ground everywhere. Now, with vaping, they throw their empty cartridges on the ground.

Quote from: Sick Of Silence on August 24, 2024, 11:41:38 AMFine by me.

All smokers are assholes. They throw their butts on the ground everywhere. Now, with vaping, they throw their empty cartridges on the ground.

I smoke cigars, I guess that makes ma an asshole?
Why would you support the leftist Nanny State?

Quote from: Solar on August 24, 2024, 11:52:53 AMI smoke cigars, I guess that makes ma an asshole?

 

Quote from: Sick Of Silence on August 24, 2024, 12:13:20 PM

 

That's all you got? What business is it of the Govt to dictate what others legally do in their own home?
Why do you support the nanny state?

Quote from: Solar on August 24, 2024, 12:16:55 PMThat's all you got? What business is it of the Govt to dictate what others legally do in their own home?
Why do you support the nanny state?

My rant was about how smokers act in public and destroy the environment. My response was to lighten the mood after another one of your unnecessary outbursts. If you want to suck on a big brown dick, that's your problem. Just don't make it my problem by littering.

Ever since the debut of vaping, all I see is vape shops everywhere. We have gone from bad to worse. Cigarettes butts supposedly disintegrate, but a vape tube doesn't. We went from inhaling tar to inhaling artificial chemicals. That's not good. I usually get pissed off at the "truth" commercials that claim that there is cigarette advertisements in the hood is because it is racist. I hate that. Cigarette companies are not racists. They will gladly sell white people Marlboro's or Winston's and as they would sell black people Newport's or Kool's.

They want us to smoke, so they can make a profit. And, we are dumb enough to spend $6 to $12 a pack every time we stop at the corner store. That is piss-poor money management. No wonder we stay broke, and become unhealthy in the process.

Just a little tidbit: when you rent or lease, you down own shit. That is not your apartment or condo, nor your car or truck. You are just paying for the privilege of sleeping or driving somewhere. If it were cheaper to live in a hotel, I would. You would have to deal with less extra shit (utilities, entertainment/internet) but get extra shit (maid service). However, renting a storage unit to house your excess shit (that you do not want to part with) is expensive.

As for owning the property, you can keep that. Too many assholes stink up your property with smoke that never goes away, burning holes in the carpet or furniture provided, or worse burning down a building because they are nothing but plywood palaces. It takes an act of God to evict someone or get your money back. Just look at the squatting problem.

Why are you complaining about the West Coast? We all know California is a left-wing Mecca. Why are you surprised? You live there.

Quote from: Sick Of Silence on August 24, 2024, 02:13:22 PMMy rant was about how smokers act in public and destroy the environment. My response was to lighten the mood after another one of your unnecessary outbursts. If you want to suck on a big brown dick, that's your problem. Just don't make it my problem by littering.

Ever since the debut of vaping, all I see is vape shops everywhere. We have gone from bad to worse. Cigarettes butts supposedly disintegrate, but a vape tube doesn't. We went from inhaling tar to inhaling artificial chemicals. That's not good. I usually get pissed off at the "truth" commercials that claim that there is cigarette advertisements in the hood is because it is racist. I hate that. Cigarette companies are not racists. They will gladly sell white people Marlboro's or Winston's and as they would sell black people Newport's or Kool's.

They want us to smoke, so they can make a profit. And, we are dumb enough to spend $6 to $12 a pack every time we stop at the corner store. That is piss-poor money management. No wonder we stay broke, and become unhealthy in the process.

Just a little tidbit: when you rent or lease, you down own shit. That is not your apartment or condo, nor your car or truck. You are just paying for the privilege of sleeping or driving somewhere. If it were cheaper to live in a hotel, I would. You would have to deal with less extra shit (utilities, entertainment/internet) but get extra shit (maid service). However, renting a storage unit to house your excess shit (that you do not want to part with) is expensive.

As for owning the property, you can keep that. Too many assholes stink up your property with smoke that never goes away, burning holes in the carpet or furniture provided, or worse burning down a building because they are nothing but plywood palaces. It takes an act of God to evict someone or get your money back. Just look at the squatting problem.

Why are you complaining about the West Coast? We all know California is a left-wing Mecca. Why are you surprised? You live there.

What part of this do you not understand, "Inside Your Own Domicile?
It's none of your business if someone pays $100 per pack of smokes, it's their business and their money!

Should we send people to stop smoking outlets for their own good, would that make you happy?

Quote from: Solar on August 24, 2024, 06:02:04 PMWhat part of this do you not understand, "Inside Your Own Domicile?
It's none of your business if someone pays $100 per pack of smokes, it's their business and their money!

Should we send people to stop smoking outlets for their own good, would that make you happy?

Again, YOU DON'T OWN THAT APARTMENT! It's just a place to sleep. I can't make any changes to the apartment. I can't knock down a wall and have a one large bedroom or have a kitchen window to the living room. You eat, sleep, work repeat. That's it.

Smoking is pretty much banned from most, if not all apartments anyway. So, griping to me about my stance is meaningless. I wonder how many of those apartments already had no smoking policies in place to begin with. To me, it seems like it is a waste of government resources. Maybe, if somebody is breaking into you home, you can dial 911 and tell them someone is smoking as they are kicking in your door.

Smoking is bad for the health of the person smoking, as well as the people around them. It is also not a smart business decision.

Quote from: Solar on August 24, 2024, 06:02:04 PMWhat part of this do you not understand, "Inside Your Own Domicile?
It's none of your business if someone pays $100 per pack of smokes, it's their business and their money!

Should we send people to stop smoking outlets for their own good, would that make you happy?

You have nailed the point. This is not about smoking. It is all about our freedoms.

Quote from: Sick Of Silence on August 24, 2024, 07:08:54 PMAgain, YOU DON'T OWN THAT APARTMENT! It's just a place to sleep. I can't make any changes to the apartment. I can't knock down a wall and have a one large bedroom or have a kitchen window to the living room. You eat, sleep, work repeat. That's it.

Smoking is pretty much banned from most, if not all apartments anyway. So, griping to me about my stance is meaningless. I wonder how many of those apartments already had no smoking policies in place to begin with. To me, it seems like it is a waste of government resources. Maybe, if somebody is breaking into you home, you can dial 911 and tell them someone is smoking as they are kicking in your door.

Smoking is bad for the health of the person smoking, as well as the people around them. It is also not a smart business decision.

So all of a sudden the land owner is the victim? WTF is wrong with you?
As the owner you take on risks, be it fire or malicious vandalism and make it a part of doing business.
Insurance goes up, expenses go up, you raise the rent based on what the Mkt will bare.
There are also laws regarding the repainting of a rental, after a few years, you as the owner are responsible to repaint the domicile, or if you have a content renter you may be off the hook till they leave, at which point you are obligated to repaint before a new tenant moves in.
It all falls under the "Cleaning Deposit" fee.

If I want to rent to smokers only, should that not be my prerogative as the land owner, and if someone wants to rent there because say, they are old farts like me who like a quieter lifestyle sitting on their deck having a cigar, shouldn't anyone be allowed to rent there as well?

You still haven't answered the question, do you want to live in a Nanny State, where mini Nazi' dictate what you do in your home?
This is why a lot of people choose HOA's over no rules for their community. The choice is yours, more Karens breathing down your back snitching you out, or none at all?

This is an issue of more laws, or less laws, so stop being emotional and trying to dictate over other people what you want simply because you don't like it! Un bunch your panty's!

Quote from: supsalemgr on August 25, 2024, 04:54:25 AMYou have nailed the point. This is not about smoking. It is all about our freedoms.

Exactly! I hate the smell of cigarettes myself, I also hate bad BBQ's and smug liberals, so I live where I live, so as to limit my exposure to the things I despise.
Funny how people want others to change to fit their environment, instead of finding a place more conducive to their own lifestyle.
Myself, like you, figured out long ago, it's your own responsibility to create your own peace, not force others to change their ways to accommodate you.

HOA's have their place, but unfortunately we get examples of them overstepping their boundaries. Take the fact that they are put on blast on news media and social media all the time and it seems like that is happening 100% of the time. If I worked on an HOA, I would never tell someone they couldn't park their pickup on their own driveway. I would never tell a nurse she couldn't ride her motorcycle to a patient's home. But, I understand the optics of living in an HOA: for every busy-body HOA person, there is a boundary-pushing resident. People want to live in a white picket fence community, and you have some jerk going overboard with an ugly fence made from painted old bicycles. And, since I can't afford housing, nor the HOA fees if they are required, I will live how I have to live. The price of rent to too damn high.

You live in California. The state completely banning smoking is the LEAST of your worries. Hopefully, you are not stupid enough to get into the renting business. With squatters and delinquent renters having more rights than the property owners, spouting your rights doesn't mean squat. The leftists favor criminals and criminal behavior over the public. Hopefully, you have the common sense to to avoid that investment. You have judges ruling in favor of the squatters, and home owners being arrested for trying to get their homes back.

Quote from: Sick Of Silence on August 25, 2024, 08:15:37 AMHOA's have their place, but unfortunately we get examples of them overstepping their boundaries. Take the fact that they are put on blast on news media and social media all the time and it seems like that is happening 100% of the time. If I worked on an HOA, I would never tell someone they couldn't park their pickup on their own driveway. I would never tell a nurse she couldn't ride her motorcycle to a patient's home. But, I understand the optics of living in an HOA: for every busy-body HOA person, there is a boundary-pushing resident. People want to live in a white picket fence community, and you have some jerk going overboard with an ugly fence made from painted old bicycles. And, since I can't afford housing, nor the HOA fees if they are required, I will live how I have to live. The price of rent to too damn high.

You live in California. The state completely banning smoking is the LEAST of your worries. Hopefully, you are not stupid enough to get into the renting business. With squatters and delinquent renters having more rights than the property owners, spouting your rights doesn't mean squat. The leftists favor criminals and criminal behavior over the public. Hopefully, you have the common sense to to avoid that investment. You have judges ruling in favor of the squatters, and home owners being arrested for trying to get their homes back.

Yet you still want to act like them by banning smoking in their own domicile. Do you not see the connection to the Nanny State?

Quote from: Sick Of Silence on August 24, 2024, 07:08:54 PMAgain, YOU DON'T OWN THAT APARTMENT! It's just a place to sleep. I can't make any changes to the apartment. I can't knock down a wall and have a one large bedroom or have a kitchen window to the living room. You eat, sleep, work repeat. That's it.

Smoking is pretty much banned from most, if not all apartments anyway. So, griping to me about my stance is meaningless. I wonder how many of those apartments already had no smoking policies in place to begin with. To me, it seems like it is a waste of government resources. Maybe, if somebody is breaking into you home, you can dial 911 and tell them someone is smoking as they are kicking in your door.

Smoking is bad for the health of the person smoking, as well as the people around them. It is also not a smart business decision.

Neither does the government.

Quote from: taxed on August 25, 2024, 05:01:21 PMNeither does the government.

nailed it!!!   

Stop looking to the government for the solutions, they are the problem.