https://redstate.com/wardclark/2023/08/18/irs-agent-killed-in-shooting-range-accident-n2162783

QuoteOn Thursday, August 17th, an Internal Revenue Service Agent was shot and killed by another agent during a training exercise at a Federal Correctional Institution firing range.

QuoteThe Federal Bureau of Prisons (FBOP) said they're actively looking into a "shooting incident" that occurred at the Federal Correctional Institutional (FCI) Phoenix firing range on Thursday afternoon. However, the FBOP hasn't been able to provide additional specifics at this time.

The FBOP said that the gun range was in use by multiple federal agencies during the occurrence.

The IRS confirmed that an agent had been transported to the hospital following the occurrence, but regrettably did not survive.

The IRS employees are not cops. I would have to guess many who joined the IRS never thought looking over someone's tax records would involve a gun fight. People, what the hell is going on here?  One of the first actions needed to be taken by Trump is to permanently disarm the IRS.

Defund ANY local, state, or federal organization that deals with trying to steal or control OUR money.

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In a country with hundreds of millions of guns, accidents are going to happen. I don't think IRS agents are inherently more prone to accidents than any other profession, I just think this was an unfortunate situation.

Quote from: ZenMode on August 20, 2023, 07:02:40 AMIn a country with over





In a country with hundreds of millions of guns, accidents are going to happen. I don't think IRS agents are inherently more prone to accidents than any other profession, I just think this was an unfortunate situation.

Why does the IRS need to be armed?

Quote from: Possum on August 20, 2023, 07:44:11 AMWhy does the IRS need to be armed?

Their job involves going to the homes of people who don't want to see them, in a country where there is a high likelihood that there are guns in the house. Especially in today's highly polarized political environment, I can see why IRS agents need to be able to protect themselves.

IRS takes steps to protect identity of workers in effort to deter personal threats

WASHINGTON (AP) — In an effort to deter threats aimed at IRS employees, the agency said Thursday it will start limiting workers' personal identifying information on communications with taxpayers.

The change begins next month.

The Treasury Department's inspector general for tax administration said in a report this week that it was "concerned that taxpayers and anti-government or anti-tax groups with malevolent intent may use the Internet or social media to track down and identify IRS employees, their families, their homes, and personal information to threaten, intimidate, or locate them for physical violence."

https://apnews.com/article/threats-irs-employees-limit-personal-information-917e23d6ee911683853e18c26b32e390

Quote from: ZenMode on August 20, 2023, 08:09:21 AMTheir job involves going to the homes of people who don't want to see them, in a country where there is a high likelihood that there are guns in the house. Especially in today's highly polarized political environment, I can see why IRS agents need to be able to protect themselves.

IRS takes steps to protect identity of workers in effort to deter personal threats

WASHINGTON (AP) — In an effort to deter threats aimed at IRS employees, the agency said Thursday it will start limiting workers' personal identifying information on communications with taxpayers.

The change begins next month.

The Treasury Department's inspector general for tax administration said in a report this week that it was "concerned that taxpayers and anti-government or anti-tax groups with malevolent intent may use the Internet or social media to track down and identify IRS employees, their families, their homes, and personal information to threaten, intimidate, or locate them for physical violence."

https://apnews.com/article/threats-irs-employees-limit-personal-information-917e23d6ee911683853e18c26b32e390

They have not needed them up until now. Every IRS audit I have ever heard happened in THEIR office. They are not trained as L.E.

Quote from: Possum on August 20, 2023, 08:18:45 AMThey have not needed them up until now. Every IRS audit I have ever heard happened in THEIR office. They are not trained as L.E.

You don't have to be in law enforcement to own a gun for protection.

Apparently home visits are common enough that it's justified a change in policy.

IRS ends unannounced revenue officer visits to taxpayers; major change to end confusion, enhance safety as part of larger agency transformation efforts

https://www.irs.gov/newsroom/irs-ends-unannounced-revenue-officer-visits-to-taxpayers-major-change-to-end-confusion-enhance-safety-as-part-of-larger-agency-transformation-efforts#:~:text=WASHINGTON%20%E2%80%94%20As%20part%20of%20a,measures%20for%20taxpayers%20and%20employees.

Quote from: ZenMode on August 20, 2023, 08:30:01 AMYou don't have to be in law enforcement to own a gun for protection.

Apparently home visits are common enough that it's justified a change in policy.

IRS ends unannounced revenue officer visits to taxpayers; major change to end confusion, enhance safety as part of larger agency transformation efforts

https://www.irs.gov/newsroom/irs-ends-unannounced-revenue-officer-visits-to-taxpayers-major-change-to-end-confusion-enhance-safety-as-part-of-larger-agency-transformation-efforts#:~:text=WASHINGTON%20%E2%80%94%20As%20part%20of%20a,measures%20for%20taxpayers%20and%20employees.

Man, you really are a commie!
First off, Federal Taxes are Theft!!! Secondly, they can get a warrant, a sheriff or Marshal can escort them to serve the warrant.

But why does the IRS need its own armed force? You never ask yourself that, because you back theft of peoples hard earned income.
How about advocating for the shrinkage of govt, quit funding needless wars, instituting more and bigger Federal control over the States via school/highway/ and EPA bull shit ETC?

But no, we need to give the Fed one more fuckin armed force!
Man, why in the fuck are you even here? You never bring a well thought out argument, just knee jerk socialist bull shit!

Quote from: Solar on August 20, 2023, 09:34:27 AMMan, you really are a commie!
First off, Federal Taxes are Theft!!! Secondly, they can get a warrant, a sheriff or Marshal can escort them to serve the warrant.

But why does the IRS need its own armed force? You never ask yourself that, because you back theft of peoples hard earned income.
How about advocating for the shrinkage of govt, quit funding needless wars, instituting more and bigger Federal control over the States via school/highway/ and EPA bull shit ETC?

But no, we need to give the Fed one more fuckin armed force!
Man, why in the fuck are you even here? You never bring a well thought out argument, just knee jerk socialist bull shit!

The question was why IRS agents might need guns. Do you disagree that there is a level of risk when they are going into people's homes who absolutely don't want them there?

Quote from: ZenMode on August 20, 2023, 10:00:38 AMThe question was why IRS agents might need guns. Do you disagree that there is a level of risk when they are going into people's homes who absolutely don't want them there?

Absolutely Fuckin Not!!!

They have zero business being armed! If a court orders confiscation, that jurisdiction should be a state level issue, but never an armed Fed jurisdiction!
With all the shit the left pulling, how can you side with these Marxists?

Quote from: Solar on August 20, 2023, 11:56:26 AMAbsolutely Fuckin Not!!!

They have zero business being armed! If a court orders confiscation, that jurisdiction should be a state level issue, but never an armed Fed jurisdiction!
With all the shit the left pulling, how can you side with these Marxists?

I'm not sure what you are referring to when you say confiscation. These, from my understanding, are just IRS agents who are going to people's houses to talk to them about possible tax issues. The same kind of people that would threaten FBI agents, and apparently try to shoot them, would do the same with IRS or probably any other government agency that they don't like.

Quote from: ZenMode on August 20, 2023, 07:14:35 PMI'm not sure what you are referring to when you say confiscation. These, from my understanding, are just IRS agents who are going to people's houses to talk to them about possible tax issues. The same kind of people that would threaten FBI agents, and apparently try to shoot them, would do the same with IRS or probably any other government agency that they don't like.

Correct me if I am wrong, but when did the IRS start making house calls? If they need to contact someone regarding tax issues, the US mail or email will do for a start (as it has in the past). Otherwise get a subpoena and have it served by state or federal law enforcement; or convene a grand jury and indict if it is that severe. the IRS has NO BUSINESS making house calls, and certainly NO BUSINESS being under arms at any time.

Quote from: VVet69 on August 21, 2023, 03:43:11 AMCorrect me if I am wrong, but when did the IRS start making house calls? If they need to contact someone regarding tax issues, the US mail or email will do for a start (as it has in the past). Otherwise get a subpoena and have it served by state or federal law enforcement; or convene a grand jury and indict if it is that severe. the IRS has NO BUSINESS making house calls, and certainly NO BUSINESS being under arms at any time.

Exactly!!!
All of my conversations wit the IRS was done through the mail, until we finally agreed to meet in person in town and finalize everything and that was the last contact.
They never came to my property.

Quote from: ZenMode on August 20, 2023, 07:14:35 PMI'm not sure what you are referring to when you say confiscation. These, from my understanding, are just IRS agents who are going to people's houses to talk to them about possible tax issues. The same kind of people that would threaten FBI agents, and apparently try to shoot them, would do the same with IRS or probably any other government agency that they don't like.

The IRS has ZERO Business confronting anyone!!! Get that through your head, all of their business is done through the post office and the court system!
Why are you so damned ignorant on every subject?

Quote from: VVet69 on August 21, 2023, 03:43:11 AMCorrect me if I am wrong, but when did the IRS start making house calls? If they need to contact someone regarding tax issues, the US mail or email will do for a start (as it has in the past). Otherwise get a subpoena and have it served by state or federal law enforcement; or convene a grand jury and indict if it is that severe. the IRS has NO BUSINESS making house calls, and certainly NO BUSINESS being under arms at any time.

I don't know when they haven't.  In fact, one of the IRS whistleblowers  described what happened when he tried to visit Hunter's house:

Republican interest in the FBI agent's testimony centers on how they say it substantiates a piece of testimony from one of the IRS whistleblowers who raised alarm about how the tax crimes investigation into Hunter Biden was conducted, specifically about how a planned attempt to interview Hunter Biden at his home in California Dec. 8, 2020, unfolded.

That whistleblower, IRS Supervisory Agent Gary Shapley, and the FBI agent said their plan was to show up at Hunter Biden's home for a possible interview and "hail mary" consent search. They planned to notify the local Secret Service office in Los Angeles at 8 a.m. the day of their planned attempt, since Hunter Biden was a Secret Service protectee.

"The initial plan was to have the local field office of the Secret Service be notified the morning of to diminish opportunities for anybody else to be notified," the FBI agent said in the interview.

But the FBI agent said he was notified the evening before, Dec. 7, 2020, that FBI headquarters had contacted the Secret Service headquarters — which upset both the FBI agent and Shapley from the IRS.

"I felt it was people that did not need to know about our intent," the FBI agent said. "I believe that the Secret Service had to be notified for our safety, for lack of confusion, for deconfliction, which we would do in so many other cases, but I didn't understand why the initial notification."

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/4152046-gop-releases-transcript-from-fbi-agent-involved-in-hunter-biden-investigation/