Quote from: VVet69 on August 19, 2023, 05:57:31 PMHere is the video with the full statement from the Governor.  Statement starts at 3:09.  Draw your own conclusions.

He said he'd rather the state acquire it than have it purchased by foreign investors, presumably in situations where the person/business doesn't plan to rebuild.

Quote from: ZenMode on August 19, 2023, 06:33:18 PMHe said he'd rather the state acquire it than have it purchased by foreign investors, presumably in situations where the person/business doesn't plan to rebuild.

What part of "`Govt seizing land", do you not get?
He states quite clearly, they don't want to preserve it, they want to develop it!

Quote from: Solar on August 19, 2023, 08:03:46 PMWhat part of "`Govt seizing land", do you not get?
He states quite clearly, they don't want to preserve it, they want to develop it!

I think it's the part where I don't think it's going to happen:

"My intention from start to finish is to make sure that no one is victimized from a land grab," Green said at a news conference. "People are right now traumatized. Please do not approach them with an offer to buy their land. Do not approach their families saying they'll be much better off if they make a deal. Because we're not going to allow it."

https://www.npr.org/2023/08/17/1194351587/hawaii-governor-vows-to-block-land-grabs-as-fire-ravaged-maui-rebuilds

Quote from: ZenMode on August 19, 2023, 09:27:25 PMI think it's the part where I don't think it's going to happen:

"My intention from start to finish is to make sure that no one is victimized from a land grab," Green said at a news conference. "People are right now traumatized. Please do not approach them with an offer to buy their land. Do not approach their families saying they'll be much better off if they make a deal. Because we're not going to allow it."

https://www.npr.org/2023/08/17/1194351587/hawaii-governor-vows-to-block-land-grabs-as-fire-ravaged-maui-rebuilds

That is not what he said originally, I saw it live!
Jump to the 3 minute mark, where he kicked the hornets nest with his Marxist Bullshit!!!

Quote from: Solar on August 20, 2023, 03:21:55 AMThat is not what he said originally, I saw it live!
Jump to the 3 minute mark, where he kicked the hornets nest with his Marxist Bullshit!!!

I did listen to his full comment at least 3 times.  All he's saying is that he wants to prevent investors/foreigners from taking advantage of people and that, before he lets foreigners/investors take a bunch of land, the state would take it first and use it for workforce housing (whatever that is), memorials or get it back to families.

What he said later is restating the same thing a little differently.

Your ability to find evil intent, where there is almost no chance it exists, is impressive!

Quote from: ZenMode on August 20, 2023, 05:31:42 AMI did listen to his full comment at least 3 times.  All he's saying is that he wants to prevent investors/foreigners from taking advantage of people and that, before he lets foreigners/investors take a bunch of land, the state would take it first and use it for workforce housing (whatever that is), memorials or get it back to families.

What he said later is restating the same thing a little differently.

Your ability to find evil intent, where there is almost no chance it exists, is impressive!

He wants to take away the owners right to sell to who ever is willing to pay the most. All in the name of protecting the little guy. Why do you back those who want to take away rights?

Quote from: Possum on August 20, 2023, 05:37:25 AMHe wants to take away the owners right to sell to who ever is willing to pay the most. All in the name of protecting the little guy. Why do you back those who want to take away rights?

That's a separate topic.  People should absolutely be allowed to sell their land.  He's talking about preventing people being taken advantage of in a time when their probably hurting and frustrated.  He may be saying that the state will offer to buy the land.

Quote from: esbad63 on August 13, 2023, 01:09:36 PMThanks for the insight into Paradise, CA. You might already be aware of the July 17th, 2023 law change in Hawaii giving the government "land reclamation" powers in the event of an "environmental crisis". Maui is a false flag event with real and catastrophic consequences. These Globalists will move forward with their plans now to convert Maui into the Globalists first full scale "government control 15 minute city". PS...it is also relevant to mention Oprah's and Bezos have massive properties on Maui sprawling hundreds of acres....all untouched by fire.

I've searched every way I know how to, but can't find any story/report/record of a land reclamation law being passed last month in Hawaii.

I did find this:

CLAIM: Hawaii recently passed a law that stipulates no new development can occur in the state unless a "natural disaster" occurs.

AP'S ASSESSMENT: False. The Associated Press found no evidence of such a measure being approved in Hawaii. Officials and experts said they had never heard of such a law. The governor recently signed an emergency proclamation to address the state's affordable housing crisis, but that measure does not concern natural disasters.

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"I'm unaware of such a law," state Senate President Ronald Kouchi told the AP in an email.

Justin Tyndall, a University of Hawai'i at Mānoa assistant professor of economics with expertise in housing policy, similarly said: "I don't have any idea what the person might be referring to...."

https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-hawaii-law-land-development-natural-disasters-779166372581

Quote from: ZenMode on August 20, 2023, 06:19:15 AMThat's a separate topic.  People should absolutely be allowed to sell their land.  He's talking about preventing people being taken advantage of in a time when their probably hurting and frustrated.  He may be saying that the state will offer to buy the land.

And how in the sam hell does he know they are being taken advantage of? He is taking away their right to sell to whoever they want. PERIOD!!!!  OF course he is saying the state will "buy" the land, they want it! That is why they passed the law giving the government the right to acquire the land.

Quote from: Possum on August 20, 2023, 07:42:57 AMAnd how in the sam hell does he know they are being taken advantage of? He is taking away their right to sell to whoever they want. PERIOD!!!!  OF course he is saying the state will "buy" the land, they want it! That is why they passed the law giving the government the right to acquire the land.

You might be right and there is no legal or logistical way to execute this plan, but that doesn't change the claim that this is beijg portrayed as a government land grab, when it seems to be nothing mkre than an unrealistic attempt at keeping Maui for Hawaiians.

Quote from: ZenMode on August 20, 2023, 08:14:37 AMYou might be right and there is no legal or logistical way to execute this plan, but that doesn't change the claim that this is beijg portrayed as a government land grab, when it seems to be nothing mkre than an unrealistic attempt at keeping Maui for Hawaiians.

I have yet to hear from the people that they need protection from the government from land grabbers. Looks to me the biggest threat is from the government. With the disaster as large as it is, the government has far bigger concerns than if the people are going to sell. To make your claim that " keeping Maui for Hawaiians" is about as unconstitutional as it comes. You think they'll kick Oprah out? 

Quote from: Possum on August 20, 2023, 08:23:42 AMI have yet to hear from the people that they need protection from the government from land grabbers. Looks to me the biggest threat is from the government. With the disaster as large as it is, the government has far bigger concerns than if the people are going to sell. To make your claim that " keeping Maui for Hawaiians" is about as unconstitutional as it comes. You think they'll kick Oprah out? 

Again, the claim is that his speech was advocating a massive government land grab. He may be wrong about people needing protection. He may be wrong about the state's ability to intervene in private transactions. He may not be considering that what he wants to do isn't legal. That is all completely independent from the claim that there is a planned government land grab. I see no bases for that. It sounds like conspiracy theory thinking.

As you

Quote from: ZenMode on August 20, 2023, 05:31:42 AMI did listen to his full comment at least 3 times.  All he's saying is that he wants to prevent investors/foreigners from taking advantage of people and that, before he lets foreigners/investors take a bunch of land, the state would take it first and use it for workforce housing (whatever that is), memorials or get it back to families.

What he said later is restating the same thing a little differently.

Your ability to find evil intent, where there is almost no chance it exists, is impressive!

So, you ignorantly admitted, "workforce housing (whatever that is): Is Marxist code for seizing property for Govt use, despite the claims of being in the interests of the "People".

Quote from: ZenMode on August 20, 2023, 08:41:29 AMAgain, the claim is that his speech was advocating a massive government land grab. He may be wrong about people needing protection. He may be wrong about the state's ability to intervene in private transactions. He may not be considering that what he wants to do isn't legal. That is all completely independent from the claim that there is a planned government land grab. I see no bases for that. It sounds like conspiracy theory thinking.

Man, you are either a Marxist sympathizer, or a complete Moron! Which is it?

The Guv admitted he floated the idea of buying up private land, all the while claiming to protect the people from people who don't even exist!
And where does this "land Acquisition Money" come from, the tax payer?
Nope, think again!!!

So the plan is to use Govt power under the guise of law, that if a landowner wants to sell, he needs Govt approval first?
And if they say he can't, then what happens?          

Do you ever think for yourself? The only predator here is the govt itself!!!

Quote from: Solar on August 20, 2023, 09:26:08 AMMan, you are either a Marxist sympathizer, or a complete Moron! Which is it?

The Guv admitted he floated the idea of buying up private land, all the while claiming to protect the people from people who don't even exist!
And where does this "land Acquisition Money" come from, the tax payer?
Nope, think again!!!

So the plan is to use Govt power under the guise of law, that if a landowner wants to sell, he needs Govt approval first?
And if they say he can't, then what happens?          

Do you ever think for yourself? The only predator here is the govt itself!!!

There are two ways the government can acquire land. One is taking it through eminent domain and the other is buying land from private people. He said nothing about requiring people to get government approval. If he goes that route, that would be massive government overreach. All he is said is that he is wanting the government to buy land, which there is nothing wrong with, to avoid foreign investors taking advantage of people. Again, he could be completely wrong about the need to protect people from foreign investors. He could be wrong that there will be a massive influx of foreign investors looking to buy land. However, all that he is said is that he would like the government to buy private land rather than that private land being sold to investors. Nothing about government approval. Nothing about eminent domain. There is no basis, at this point, for the belief that this is some evil plot by the government of Hawaii.