Quote from: ZenMode on August 10, 2023, 07:51:18 PMRight.  This GIANT nation-widevoter fraud ring and not a single person has any actual evidence 

How is it you can't grasp the fact that both party's conspired to keep Trump out of office?
If you read the article, you'd know the DOJ buried the evidence presented.

Quote from: ZenMode on August 10, 2023, 07:51:18 PMRight.  This GIANT nation-widevoter fraud ring and not a single person has any actual evidence 

Same post applies here.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1689803065426153472

Quote from: Solar on August 11, 2023, 06:04:59 AMSame post applies here.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1689803065426153472

What does that have to do with voter fraud?

Quote from: ZenMode on August 11, 2023, 06:20:07 AMWhat does that have to do with voter fraud?

Wow, you really are dense!

Fact Check: Michigan Police Did NOT Find 'Tens Of Thousands' Of Fake Voter Registration Applications

Did Michigan State Police find "tens of thousands of fake registrations" in an October 2020 voter fraud investigation? No, that's not true: The assertion made in the headline of the article making the claim is not supported in the body of the story, nor in the police report it's based on. The Michigan Department of Attorney General told Lead Stories that the state's 2020 election was investigated long ago and proven to be "fair and accurate."

The claim appeared in an article (archived here) published by The Gateway Pundit on August 8, 2023, titled "NOW WE HAVE PROOF! TGP EXCLUSIVE: Massive 2020 Voter Fraud Uncovered in Michigan - Police Find: TENS OF THOUSANDS of Fake Registrations, Bags of Pre-Paid Gift Cards, Guns with Silencers, Burner Phones, and a Democrat-Funded Organization with Multiple Temporary Facilities in Several States." The story opens:

Special Thanks to Phil O'Halloran and Lori Skibo for their contributions and assistance with this story. The two election integrity activists obtained a copy of the State Police report and began investigating the story in June. Phil O'Halloran, now Chairman of the Michigan Republican Party's Election Integrity Committee and Lori Skibo, Director of the MI GOP's Poll Challenger Program, brought it to our attention and are assisting with our research of this story.

The story and police report

The Gateway Pundit trumpets "tens of thousands" in the story's headline, referring to fake voter registrations, but it never uses the expression again or similarly large numbers in the body of the story.

The Michigan State Police (MSP) report the article is based on says a person questioned in the investigation "had delivered between 8,000-10,000 voter registration forms to the Muskegon City Clerk's office. Later, City Clerk Ann Meisch "estimated that [redacted] brought an additional 2500 forms."

While the total number of voter registration forms submitted by that person may add up to as much as 12,500, very few of them were deemed to be fraudulent, certainly not "tens of thousands" of them.

Page 3 of the MSP report says Meisch "turned over 42 suspected fraudulent applications to Officer Foster for examination." A screenshot from the police report appears below:



(Source: Michigan Department of State Police Incident No: 060-0000368-20 screenshot taken on Tue Aug 8 20:10:06 2023 UTC)

At the time of the investigation, WZZM-TV reported this statement from MSP in an October 31, 2020, story. It said:

None of the alleged fraudulent voter registrations resulted in voters receiving absentee ballot applications or ballots, any resulting registrations have been voided, and there is no expected impact on any election.

Michigan Attorney General
Additionally, the Michigan Department of Attorney General provided a response to The Gateway Pundit's reporting on purported election fraud in the state. Press Secretary Danny Wimmer supplied this statement to Lead Stories in an August 11, 2023, email:

Despite the Gateway Pundit's continuing claims to the contrary, the 2020 election has been thoroughly litigated and audited and has been proven well beyond a reasonable doubt that it was fair and accurate. This matter was reported by several in-state outlets contemporarily, and much more accurately than the newest, inaccurate account made by the Gateway Pundit. Like their many other false claims of election law violations, this is once again, not a smoking gun for their long-debunked theories.

Additional Lead Stories fact checks of claims related to voter fraud can be found here.

https://leadstories.com/hoax-alert/2023/08/fact-check-michigan-police-do-not-find-tens-of-thousands-of-fake-voter-registration-applications.html

Quote from: ZenMode on August 16, 2023, 12:25:40 PMFact Check: Michigan Police Did NOT Find 'Tens Of Thousands' Of Fake Voter Registration Applications

Did Michigan State Police find "tens of thousands of fake registrations" in an October 2020 voter fraud investigation? No, that's not true: The assertion made in the headline of the article making the claim is not supported in the body of the story, nor in the police report it's based on. The Michigan Department of Attorney General told Lead Stories that the state's 2020 election was investigated long ago and proven to be "fair and accurate."

The claim appeared in an article (archived here) published by The Gateway Pundit on August 8, 2023, titled "NOW WE HAVE PROOF! TGP EXCLUSIVE: Massive 2020 Voter Fraud Uncovered in Michigan - Police Find: TENS OF THOUSANDS of Fake Registrations, Bags of Pre-Paid Gift Cards, Guns with Silencers, Burner Phones, and a Democrat-Funded Organization with Multiple Temporary Facilities in Several States." The story opens:

Special Thanks to Phil O'Halloran and Lori Skibo for their contributions and assistance with this story. The two election integrity activists obtained a copy of the State Police report and began investigating the story in June. Phil O'Halloran, now Chairman of the Michigan Republican Party's Election Integrity Committee and Lori Skibo, Director of the MI GOP's Poll Challenger Program, brought it to our attention and are assisting with our research of this story.

The story and police report

The Gateway Pundit trumpets "tens of thousands" in the story's headline, referring to fake voter registrations, but it never uses the expression again or similarly large numbers in the body of the story.

The Michigan State Police (MSP) report the article is based on says a person questioned in the investigation "had delivered between 8,000-10,000 voter registration forms to the Muskegon City Clerk's office. Later, City Clerk Ann Meisch "estimated that [redacted] brought an additional 2500 forms."

While the total number of voter registration forms submitted by that person may add up to as much as 12,500, very few of them were deemed to be fraudulent, certainly not "tens of thousands" of them.

Page 3 of the MSP report says Meisch "turned over 42 suspected fraudulent applications to Officer Foster for examination." A screenshot from the police report appears below:



(Source: Michigan Department of State Police Incident No: 060-0000368-20 screenshot taken on Tue Aug 8 20:10:06 2023 UTC)

At the time of the investigation, WZZM-TV reported this statement from MSP in an October 31, 2020, story. It said:

None of the alleged fraudulent voter registrations resulted in voters receiving absentee ballot applications or ballots, any resulting registrations have been voided, and there is no expected impact on any election.

Michigan Attorney General
Additionally, the Michigan Department of Attorney General provided a response to The Gateway Pundit's reporting on purported election fraud in the state. Press Secretary Danny Wimmer supplied this statement to Lead Stories in an August 11, 2023, email:

Despite the Gateway Pundit's continuing claims to the contrary, the 2020 election has been thoroughly litigated and audited and has been proven well beyond a reasonable doubt that it was fair and accurate. This matter was reported by several in-state outlets contemporarily, and much more accurately than the newest, inaccurate account made by the Gateway Pundit. Like their many other false claims of election law violations, this is once again, not a smoking gun for their long-debunked theories.

Additional Lead Stories fact checks of claims related to voter fraud can be found here.

https://leadstories.com/hoax-alert/2023/08/fact-check-michigan-police-do-not-find-tens-of-thousands-of-fake-voter-registration-applications.html

Do you even read the shit you post?
Blatant Lie!!!

"the 2020 election has been thoroughly litigated and audited and has been proven well beyond a reasonable doubt that it was fair and accurate."

Quote from: Solar on August 16, 2023, 03:59:33 PMDo you even read the shit you post?
Blatant Lie!!!

"the 2020 election has been thoroughly litigated and audited and has been proven well beyond a reasonable doubt that it was fair and accurate."

You may not agree with that, but GP apparently lied about the number of fraudulent ballots.

Quote from: ZenMode on August 16, 2023, 05:40:05 PMYou may not agree with that, but GP apparently lied about the number of fraudulent ballots.

No, I called your claim that this article is a lie and that your proof has been proven to be a blatant lie!

Quote from: ZenMode on August 10, 2023, 07:51:18 PMRight.  This GIANT nation-widevoter fraud ring and not a single person has any actual evidence 

The evidence was destroyed.  Its like when the Mafia kills somebody, they destroy the body & destroy the weapon used.

Quote from: Solar on August 17, 2023, 04:18:57 AMNo, I called your claim that this article is a lie and that your proof has been proven to be a blatant lie!

Quote from: Solar on August 17, 2023, 04:18:57 AMNo, I called your claim that this article is a lie and that your proof has been proven to be a blatant lie!

The line you pointed out has nothing to do with the claim of anywhere between 8,000 and 800,000 fraudulent voter registration forms.

There ended up being, at most, 42.

Quote from: ZenMode on August 17, 2023, 06:26:46 AMThe line you pointed out has nothing to do with the claim of anywhere between 8,000 and 800,000 fraudulent voter registration forms.

There ended up being, at most, 42.

Why do you so willingly buy the leftist excuses/Lies/Spin?

Quote from: Solar on August 17, 2023, 07:11:58 AMWhy do you so willingly buy the leftist excuses/Lies/Spin?

It's a police report. If I'm going to trust something, my default isn't going to be GP over a police report.  That doesn't mean that police don't lie/misrepresent reality,but there is a much higher likelihood that GP is going to lie/misrepresent reality.

Quote from: ZenMode on August 17, 2023, 08:47:30 AMIt's a police report. If I'm going to trust something, my default isn't going to be GP over a police report.  That doesn't mean that police don't lie/misrepresent reality,but there is a much higher likelihood that GP is going to lie/misrepresent reality.

From YOUR article,

QuoteThe Michigan Department of Attorney General told Lead Stories that the state's 2020 election was investigated long ago and proven to be "fair and accurate."

Based off of what I have seen from liberal states attorney generals I would have to say bull sh-t. Nothing more than another liberal talking point. What's your batting average up to, 0 for 1000?

Quote from: Possum on August 17, 2023, 10:28:35 AMFrom YOUR article,
Based off of what I have seen from liberal states attorney generals I would have to say bull sh-t. Nothing more than another liberal talking point. What's your batting average up to, 0 for 1000?

Right,so again, there were 42 potentially fraudulent ballots.  Not 8k or 800k.  There was not mass conspiracy to register names illegally or fraudulently.

Quote from: ZenMode on August 17, 2023, 01:24:01 PMRight,so again, there were 42 potentially fraudulent ballots.  Not 8k or 800k.  There was not mass conspiracy to register names illegally or fraudulently.

Wrong again, that clerk is on record to what she saw. Even you should be able to know what happened to the rest.