Quote from: ZenMode on March 08, 2023, 10:51:05 AMFor the same reason I stated in my first post in this thread: Progressive law enforcement tactics are failing.  That's doesn't mean it's all or nothing.  You don't have to choose between prosecuting NO shoplifters and prosecuting EVERY shoplifter to the harshest extent allowed by law, right?

Again, typical leftist, blame law enforcement. Too bad you can not learn. It is the whole leftist idealism that is the problem. From blame the police, to blame the victim, to everyone deserves a second, third, forth.... chance, to the main idea, nobody is responsible for their own actions! Blame society!


Zen, why are you here. Everything has been explained time and time again to you on different subjects and you learn nothing. NOBODY HERE HAS EVER SAID TO PROSECUTE EVERY CRIME TO THE FULLEST EXTENT OF THE LAW. Care has been taken to show you what you are proposing is ALREADY TAKEN PLACE!!! It is in areas where crime is the worst that the policies are the most lenient!!!!! Can you not see that? Your own solutions are part of the problem.

Quote from: Possum on March 08, 2023, 12:34:41 PMAgain, typical leftist, blame law enforcement. Too bad you can not learn. It is the whole leftist idealism that is the problem. From blame the police, to blame the victim, to everyone deserves a second, third, forth.... chance, to the main idea, nobody is responsible for their own actions! Blame society!


Zen, why are you here. Everything has been explained time and time again to you on different subjects and you learn nothing. NOBODY HERE HAS EVER SAID TO PROSECUTE EVERY CRIME TO THE FULLEST EXTENT OF THE LAW. Care has been taken to show you what you are proposing is ALREADY TAKEN PLACE!!! It is in areas where crime is the worst that the policies are the most lenient!!!!! Can you not see that? Your own solutions are part of the problem.

As I said previously. the term " law enforcement",the way I'm using it, includes everything from initial police response to court decision.  It's not just a reference to what the police do.

Quote from: Billy's bayonet on March 08, 2023, 12:21:24 PMLaw Enforcement TACTICS are failing in the Portland case it is the overall POLICY of prosecutors office as well as the POLICY of the stores themselves.

Allow me to explain please. It used to be that stores had their own security, in places like the Commonwealth of Virginia by law these store employee's/security guards had the power of arrest, search & seizure and the ABSOLUTE RIGHT to recover stolen or concealed merchandise ON STORE PROPERTY OR ITS CURTILAGE (PARKING LOT). Store security caught a shoplifter called for the County Cops to transport them to the sitting magistrate where the security guard filled out a Probable cause affidavit and the magistrate would issue a warrant/summons set bail, personal recognizance etc.

As Virginia, especially Northern Virginia turned into a third world country and Leftist Buffoons got elected to office in those jurisdiction what do you think happened?  Thats right, they Fkd everything up.

The old leftist policy of blaming the MAN for what crooks do kicked into full gear. Massive lawsuits against stores security, law suits against the cops for 'manhandling" combative suspects. Screams of racism of course if Black or Hispanic. So it didn't take much time for stores to come out and change policy on shoplifters. No arrests, recover the Merchandise, let 'em go, Ban them. It was like open invitation to steal. Then they didn't even try to stop them, just call the cops, which made it worse coz by the time the cops get there I'll be in Ohio.

I would surmise this is exactly what happened in Portland. Prosecutors don't want to charge them, Cops don't want to respond coz they get complaints and lawsuits no matter what, besides nobody in that Leftist enclave is giving them much support. Its not a hard decision to make, if a store is losing so much money because of theft or they are getting battered with lawsuits the wisest course of action is to uproot and go elsewhere.

So once again the average person is screwed. All those employee's are out of a job. Local patrons of the store are at a loss its lose-lose

I agree with everything you're saying.  police being hamstrung by the fear of lawsuits or being put on youtube in a highly edited, dishonest video, is a huge problem. 

Quote from: ZenMode on March 08, 2023, 01:28:02 PMAs I said previously. the term " law enforcement",the way I'm using it, includes everything from initial police response to court decision.  It's not just a reference to what the police do.

Great! So what are all of your great NEW ideas. Or do you just dream of a fantasy land and bitch we ain't there? Because you have brought nothing so far.

hmmmm, looks like Amazon doesn't like it when the police do too good of a job either.

https://www.theblaze.com/news/amazon-close-8-go-23

QuoteTwo stores in downtown Seattle will close permanently, along 3rd and 4th Avenues, which are a high-crime and open-air drug use area.

Two more locations in New York City will shut down, along with four in San Francisco, where petty crime, drug use, and homelessness are rampant.