Correction of above post:

The law, I'm assuming, is to make it illegal for states to discriminate.  They should not be able to say "These two consenting adults can have their relationship legally recognized, but these two consenting adults..well.. they can't because of God".   

Quote from: ZenMode on December 14, 2022, 07:19:01 AMCorrection of above post:

The law, I'm assuming, is to make it illegal for states to discriminate.  They should not be able to say "These two consenting adults can have their relationship legally recognized, but these two consenting adults..well.. they can't because of God". 

What is that old saying about assuming? 

QuoteThe "Respect for Marriage Act" does not force states to recognize same-sex marriage, but mandates the recognition of same-sex and interracial marriages across state lines. The federal government also has to give the same benefits, such as Social Security survivor benefits, to same-sex marriages.

Quotethey can't because of God"

If it was not for God there never would have been marriage.

 I have known slow learners, but this is a first for knowing can not learn.



https://dailycaller.com/2022/12/13/biden-signs-respect-marriage-act/

Quote from: Possum on December 14, 2022, 09:54:07 AMWhat is that old saying about assuming? 


 If it was not for God there never would have been marriage.

 I have known slow learners, but this is a first for knowing can not learn.



https://dailycaller.com/2022/12/13/biden-signs-respect-marriage-act/

Ok.  Still disallowing states from discriminating, just after the fact.

Quote from: ZenMode on December 14, 2022, 07:04:43 AMThe law, I'm assuming, is to make it illegal for states to deiscriminate.  They should be able to say "These two consenting adults can have their relationship legally recognized, but these two consenting adults..well.. they can't because of God".   

Point is, where do you draw the line? Children and adults?
You're completely ignoring the fact that society dictates thousands of year of morality, which is why marriage is only between man and woman,  not woman and child, we have laws against that as well, and you're advocating we throw our society in the trash to appease a Marist plan at destroying our working society.
Why is that?

Quote from: ZenMode on December 14, 2022, 06:12:17 AMI used to be religious, but wasn't when I got married in a Methodist church.

We already have state laws dictating who can give consent to sex, marriage or enter into contracts. Polygamist sects of the Mormon church have been busted for pedophilia and doing religious ceremonies for underage kids in the past. Nothing would change because the state is still involved, as they always have, in the legal recognition of the union. It's just not called marriage.

Right and the laws are against gay marriage. So you will have to do away with all the existing laws in order to allow gay marriage. So again what would you do to stop all of these under your system since you will have removed the restrictions in order to get gay marriage? Your system needs its own checks and balances, but how do you decide where to draw the line since you are throwing morality out? What are you replacing morality with in your system?

Quote from: ZenMode on December 14, 2022, 07:19:01 AMCorrection of above post:

The law, I'm assuming, is to make it illegal for states to discriminate.

But thats exactly what you are doing, saying we need to discriminate against pedophiles, against cousin marriage, and against bestiality. Why are you discriminating against those things but only carving out an exception for yourself? Sounds hypocritical of you....

QuoteThey should not be able to say "These two consenting adults can have their relationship legally recognized, but these two consenting adults.. well.. they can't because of God".

But we dont. No one is saying that because of God. We are saying it due to facts, evidence, science, history and tradition. The fact that it aligns with religion is coincidental and simply shows how much religion gets right. 

Quote from: Possum on December 14, 2022, 09:54:07 AMWhat is that old saying about assuming? 


 If it was not for God there never would have been marriage.

 I have known slow learners, but this is a first for knowing can not learn.



https://dailycaller.com/2022/12/13/biden-signs-respect-marriage-act/

Ya that law isnt gonna last long  it will be quickly overturned by the next GOP congress if not shot down by the supreme court as unconstitutional before that. The constitution is very clear about moral questions being left to the states so this will be treated just like RvW.

Quote from: ZenMode on December 14, 2022, 10:43:38 AMOk.  Still disallowing states from discriminating, just after the fact.

Like you are doing in your system by not allowing bestiality, pedophilia or cousin marriage. You have yet to give a valid reason for why you draw your arbitrary line where you do....

Quote from: ZenMode on December 14, 2022, 10:43:38 AMOk.  Still disallowing states from discriminating, just after the fact.

You still have not answered why you want to change the definition of marriage. For thousands of years there was no problem. People understood what marriage was.

Quote from: Possum on December 14, 2022, 02:10:31 PMYou still have not answered why you want to change the definition of marriage. For thousands of years there was no problem. People understood what marriage was.

Right, is he saying that society was wrong all those years? Is he saying that gays have been oppressed for millennia yet now suddenly we have evolved to be beyond that?     

The left has a wierd view of history, if they look at it at all.

Quote from: Possum on December 14, 2022, 02:10:31 PMYou still have not answered why you want to change the definition of marriage. For thousands of years there was no problem. People understood what marriage was.

I don't. I want to let religion define it however they want.

Quote from: ZenMode on December 14, 2022, 02:59:40 PMI don't. I want to let religion define it however they want.

Which itself is a redefinition of it. You have yet to explain why the change tho?

Quote from: ZenMode on December 14, 2022, 02:59:40 PMI don't. I want to let religion define it however they want.

And yet you have been given that definition many times. So, why was the definition, given from God in Genesis not good enough for you?

Quote from: Possum on December 14, 2022, 03:13:01 PMAnd yet you have been given that definition many times. So, why was the definition, given from God in Genesis not good enough for you?

Again  I don't care what churches do. If every church got together and said "We are not going to do one more gay marriage ceremony" I don't care. That is completely separate from the state legally recognizing two people agreeing to enter into a legally binding agreement.

Quote from: T Hunt on December 14, 2022, 12:07:54 PMLike you are doing in your system by not allowing bestiality, pedophilia or cousin marriage. You have yet to give a valid reason for why you draw your arbitrary line where you do....

Animals can't consent to marriage or sex.

Children can't either.

There are genetic reproductive issues if cousins or closer procreate.