Quote from: CasND on November 10, 2022, 03:56:08 AMDo you think this is why Oz was the guy ?  Bait, maybe ?

Really good question, wish I had a answer. If he was bait, I would think we will something in the headlines any day. If he was just a bad pick..... I can not see Oz as the person who will risk all to see justice done, hope I'm wrong. I would expect to see the fight in Arizona.

Quote from: Solar on November 09, 2022, 01:06:44 PMYeah, but he wasn't our guy. Trump didn't listen to his base and threw a Patriot under the bus because he thought the RINO Oz had a better chance.
This is proof positive of what I've been saying for 10 years now, that electing RINO out of fear, only strengthens the Left in both party's.

            

Quote from: Possum on November 10, 2022, 04:28:45 AMReally good question, wish I had a answer. If he was bait, I would think we will something in the headlines any day. If he was just a bad pick..... I can not see Oz as the person who will risk all to see justice done, hope I'm wrong. I would expect to see the fight in Arizona.

Ya, I dont see OZ fighting either, but lets be honest. No matter who trump picked here the left was always gonna cheat fetterman in, no matter who. I think its BS this idea that people voted for fetterman out of pity.

Quote from: T Hunt on November 10, 2022, 09:52:48 AMYa, I dont see OZ fighting either, but lets be honest. No matter who trump picked here the left was always gonna cheat fetterman in, no matter who. I think its BS this idea that people voted for fetterman out of pity.

No, they meant it's a pity that anyone voted for Fetturdman.    

Quote from: T Hunt on November 10, 2022, 09:52:48 AMYa, I dont see OZ fighting either, but lets be honest. No matter who trump picked here the left was always gonna cheat fetterman in, no matter who. I think its BS this idea that people voted for fetterman out of pity.

I don't think they voted for him out of pity, Fetterman was a lot more popular than Oz, and I hate to say it, people do not vote for what is best for the country, its all about popularity. If it wasn't, we never would have had Bill and Hillary, Obama, Biden, good lord look at how long Biden has been elected. Go ahead and add the Bushes, McCain, Romney to that list. Trump was the only canidate who did not fit that description, people voted for him because they believed him.

 Fetterman did not just come out of nowhere, he was the Lt. governor, he won the dem. primary. Too many people in Pennsylvania were not going to give that seat to a republican come hell or high water. Look at what those who voted for him expect, he is not expected to make decisions, speeches, any deep thought, hell any thought, he is supposed to follow the party line. That's it. They party will tell him when and how to vote and all will be good. The republican party can win in Pennsylvania, but not with Oz.  I wonder how many stayed at home rather than vote for him.

Quote from: Possum on November 10, 2022, 11:37:50 AMI don't think they voted for him out of pity, Fetterman was a lot more popular than Oz, and I hate to say it, people do not vote for what is best for the country, its all about popularity. If it wasn't, we never would have had Bill and Hillary, Obama, Biden, good lord look at how long Biden has been elected. Go ahead and add the Bushes, McCain, Romney to that list. Trump was the only canidate who did not fit that description, people voted for him because they believed him.

 Fetterman did not just come out of nowhere, he was the Lt. governor, he won the dem. primary. Too many people in Pennsylvania were not going to give that seat to a republican come hell or high water. Look at what those who voted for him expect, he is not expected to make decisions, speeches, any deep thought, hell any thought, he is supposed to follow the party line. That's it. They party will tell him when and how to vote and all will be good. The republican party can win in Pennsylvania, but not with Oz.  I wonder how many stayed at home rather than vote for him.

Well, heres my point. Why do you think any significant amount of people voted for him? Thats what the media wants you to think. A few people voted for him who still vote D no matter what. Thats not alot of people and those people would vote no matter what. In fact they voted over and over and over again, making their vote count many times over.

Quote from: T Hunt on November 10, 2022, 12:27:45 PMWell, heres my point. Why do you think any significant amount of people voted for him? Thats what the media wants you to think. A few people voted for him who still vote D no matter what. Thats not alot of people and those people would vote no matter what. In fact they voted over and over and over again, making their vote count many times over.

That's not a few and yes IMHO there were a lot. Yes, there was cheating, but from the beginning Fetterman was picked to win, even after the primary, when it came out that he had a stroke, he was picked to win, it was not until the end Oz pulled ahead. By then there were thousands of early votes, mail out votes etc. This race really was never in question, I know that is easy to say after the fact.

Here is one example, this year Beto ran against Abbott for governor. Abbott could have had a stroke one month ago, could have died, AND HE WOULD HAVE STILL BEAT BETO. I think that is some of what we are seeing, Oz was not a good pick, was not popular, and Fetterman was.

Doesn't matter, what does matter is are we going to learn from this? Are we going to learn about mail out ballots, are we going to learn about ballot harvesting? Are we going to learn that a conservative party that does not nominate conservatives is destined to lose? It's like saying we stand for this, we just don't believe in it. This election shows we are still winning, when all is said and done we might have flipped both, house and senate, we should at least have the house.

Whatever we do have, they have two years to make a impact, stop telling us "if they do this again" stop with the fantastic speeches that go no where. Stop telling us if just a few more of the republicans were elected we would change this, damn we have enough states that are solid republican, why are they not using to courts to stop some of this. I know the answer if we do not have enough lawyers.

Where was our message? All I saw was a lot of finger pointing, telling people what happened over the last two years, BUT WHAT WERE THE REPUBLICANS GOING TO DO ABOUT IT? Where was the blueprint? Without it you can only expect more of the same. Can this party not come up with anything unless Trump is telling them what to do?

Sorry about the rant. What happened while positive, counting that we get the house, was really disappointing. One more thing to add to have we learned, have we learned to not brag about a damn red wave, a red tsunami, have we learned we have to compete all the way through? Have we learned we need someone beside McConnell to decide where to spend money????

T Hunt I agree with you, that race should have never turned out like it did, despite what all the dems did, we need to take a hard look before 2024 and learn how to win. It's time someone besides Trump acts like they give a damn about this great country.

I don't buy it. Oz may not have been a good choice but Fetterman is a disaster, the Dem party could have run a better candidate but they didn't have to. THEY GOT THE FIX IN. Didn't we learn ANYTHING after 2020 "election" in Pa?  Philadelphia "elected" this cretin with millions of phony mail in Ballots. I'd like to see the Stats on Red area's vs "Blue". I've a lot of friends and family in Pa, NOBODY supported that creep Fetterman.

What really pisses me off is there is no challenge from the GOP or Oz.

Quote from: Billy's bayonet on November 11, 2022, 09:37:59 AMI don't buy it. Oz may not have been a good choice but Fetterman is a disaster, the Dem party could have run a better candidate but they didn't have to. THEY GOT THE FIX IN. Didn't we learn ANYTHING after 2020 "election" in Pa?  Philadelphia "elected" this cretin with millions of phony mail in Ballots. I'd like to see the Stats on Red area's vs "Blue". I've a lot of friends and family in Pa, NOBODY supported that creep Fetterman.

What really pisses me off is there is no challenge from the GOP or Oz.

Yes, agree 100%. Trump could have run himself against fetterman and he still would have lost due to the MASSIVE cheating. I think quality of candidate matters as far as how they will vote in congress, so it does matter, but not for electability. The dems are 100% hated right now so no real people are voting for them, but they are also making up millions of fake voters.

But your second point is even more concerning. The damn GOP establishment is once again betraying us before our eyes and not helping in this election where they need to be. How in the hell do we vote GOP leadership out of office?

Quote from: Billy's bayonet on November 11, 2022, 09:37:59 AMI don't buy it. Oz may not have been a good choice but Fetterman is a disaster, the Dem party could have run a better candidate but they didn't have to. THEY GOT THE FIX IN. Didn't we learn ANYTHING after 2020 "election" in Pa?  Philadelphia "elected" this cretin with millions of phony mail in Ballots. I'd like to see the Stats on Red area's vs "Blue". I've a lot of friends and family in Pa, NOBODY supported that creep Fetterman.

What really pisses me off is there is no challenge from the GOP or Oz.

You make it sound as if Fetterman was not popular, he was. He was the Lt. Governor, even with rumors of a stroke, he won the democrat primary, even when there was evidence of a stroke, he was leading in the polls right up until the last, after thousands of mail out ballots and thousands of early ballots had been cast. Was there cheating, of course. Does that need to be fixed, of course, but if THAT is the only lesson to be learned here be ready for more losses, be ready for more losses where they will not have to cheat. Oz is probably the only candidate to have ever polled behind someone who had suffered a stroke, can you imagine what the results would have been had Fetterman NOT suffered a stroke? It took the debate where all could see the results of the stroke for Oz to pull ahead in the polls, by then it was too late according to some. My opinion, it was too late the day Oz was picked.

Quote from: Possum on November 11, 2022, 10:07:59 AMYou make it sound as if Fetterman was not popular, he was. He was the Lt. Governor, even with rumors of a stroke, he won the democrat primary, even when there was evidence of a stroke, he was leading in the polls right up until the last, after thousands of mail out ballots and thousands of early ballots had been cast. Was there cheating, of course. Does that need to be fixed, of course, but if THAT is the only lesson to be learned here be ready for more losses, be ready for more losses where they will not have to cheat. Oz is probably the only candidate to have ever polled behind someone who had suffered a stroke, can you imagine what the results would have been had Fetterman NOT suffered a stroke? It took the debate where all could see the results of the stroke for Oz to pull ahead in the polls, by then it was too late according to some. My opinion, it was too late the day Oz was picked.

So you're saying Trump killed Oz's political future?

Rose said that when he told Oz, he strongly disagreed with his politics and had issues with former president Donald Trump, the Republican candidate distanced himself from Trump. "He said to me, Trump isn't the leader of the party," Rose said, speaking of Oz. "He told me that Mitch McConnell is the leader of the Republican Party." Oz also said, according to Rose, that Doug Mastriano, the far-right Republican nominee for governor in Pennsylvania, "won't win."

The Oz campaign has denied that their candidate ever made those statements.

https://www.politicususa.com/2022/11/02/oz-mastriano-trump-mcconnell.html

Quote from: Solar on November 11, 2022, 10:12:21 AMSo you're saying Trump killed Oz's political future?

Rose said that when he told Oz, he strongly disagreed with his politics and had issues with former president Donald Trump, the Republican candidate distanced himself from Trump. "He said to me, Trump isn't the leader of the party," Rose said, speaking of Oz. "He told me that Mitch McConnell is the leader of the Republican Party." Oz also said, according to Rose, that Doug Mastriano, the far-right Republican nominee for governor in Pennsylvania, "won't win."

The Oz campaign has denied that their candidate ever made those statements.

https://www.politicususa.com/2022/11/02/oz-mastriano-trump-mcconnell.html

No, I'm saying Oz ruined Oz's political future. I don't know the reasons for the endorsement, but that is because of my opinion of Oz, not Trump. I do not doubt Oz said all of those negative comments about Trump, but he waited until after he had the endorsement. Well, as it has been said several times, we win when we run conservatives we lose when we run rinos as conservatives. I know this probably does not make  any sense, but after this election I am madder at the rinos for not doing everything to win for this country, than at the democrats for their cheating. When will we learn?



That was sarcasm wasn't it?

Quote from: Possum on November 11, 2022, 10:29:02 AMNo, I'm saying Oz ruined Oz's political future. I don't know the reasons for the endorsement, but that is because of my opinion of Oz, not Trump. I do not doubt Oz said all of those negative comments about Trump, but he waited until after he had the endorsement. Well, as it has been said several times, we win when we run conservatives we lose when we run rinos as conservatives. I know this probably does not make  any sense, but after this election I am madder at the rinos for not doing everything to win for this country, than at the democrats for their cheating. When will we learn?

I've been saying it for over a decade, that voting for a RINO out of fear of electing a Dim is akin to chickens believing the wolf outside the door, or the Fox inside the House. Yeah, when will they learn? Apparently, never.

Oz is a perfect example of the promise of winning. It mattered not in the end.

I said it in the opening, Trump's endorsement of a RINO goes against everything the Base believes in. There was no way the RINO was going to get the base to support him, add to that all the fraud.

Could Oz have won without Fetturdman fraud? Possibly, but that would have put McCon in danger of losing power.
There is way more at play than we will probably ever know.
But it did expose one thing, the base is done with Establishment Bull Shit!

Quote from: Solar on November 11, 2022, 10:40:02 AMI've been saying it for over a decade, that voting for a RINO out of fear of electing a Dim is akin to chickens believing the wolf outside the door, or the Fox inside the House. Yeah, when will they learn? Apparently, never.

Oz is a perfect example of the promise of winning. It mattered not in the end.

I said it in the opening, Trump's endorsement of a RINO goes against everything the Base believes in. There was no way the RINO was going to get the base to support him, add to that all the fraud.

Could Oz have won without Fetturdman fraud? Possibly, but that would have put McCon in danger of losing power.
There is way more at play than we will probably ever know.
But it did expose one thing, the base is done with Establishment Bull Shit!

The title of this thread says it all.

Quote from: Possum on November 11, 2022, 10:45:40 AMThe title of this thread says it all.

I have no doubt there was a shitload of fraud, but what's telling is the silence from the GOP over this and other races.
It's almost as if McCon counted on the outcome.