Quote from: ZenMode on October 24, 2022, 03:21:02 PMIf I base my opinion solely on 2KM: No.  If I base my opinion on everything I know, including what governments did, I'd say Yes.

Well, I did say "All" the evidence, including the video I posted. So yeah, good to know some libs are willing to call a spade a spade.

Quote from: ZenMode on October 24, 2022, 03:16:26 PMAn excellent strawman since I never claimed there was no voter fraud and nobody was in jail for voter fraud. 

YES YOU DID LIAR. Youve been very clear time and again that 2KM didnt show multiple ballots and is therefore not credible and therefore the election wasnt stolen.
THAT IS MAKING THE CLAIM THERE WAS NO VOTER FRAUD.

Youve said it numerous times on this page alone       

Now you are trying to play semantic word games to get out of being caught lying.

QuoteNor did I ever even make a connection between my observation about 2KM and the realities of voter fraud.

Yes you did! You said that there was no other proof of voter fraud outside 2KM, therefore your willingness to accept the reality of voter fraud is based on solely 2KM alone which you are dismissing for no logical reason.

Quote from: ZenMode on October 24, 2022, 03:18:14 PMIn your opinion.

Sorry but facts are facts, and they dont care about your opinions. Opinions are moot here, the fact is that they proved they have the video so showing it is unnecessary. THATS A FACT, not an opinion.

QuoteAsking questions isn't childish.  Trying to make sense of things that don't make sense also isn't childish.  What IS childish is insulting people by calling them a child.

Look, you know what you are doing, if you dont want to be called a child dont think like one, its that simple...

Quote from: Solar on October 24, 2022, 03:52:43 PMWell, I did say "All" the evidence, including the video I posted. So yeah, good to know some libs are willing to call a spade a spade.

Funny how he still wont say that the election was stolen in that trump got the most votes and has the will of the people. He will only admit it was defrauded by government...

This one loves his word dancing 
His script has him trying to come across as one of the 'educated' ones with an honest open mind 

Quote from: ZenMode on October 24, 2022, 03:16:26 PMAn excellent strawman since I never claimed there was no voter fraud and nobody was in jail for voter fraud.  Nor did I ever even make a connection between my observation about 2KM and the realities of voter fraud.

Did Biden win because of voter fraud?

Quote from: Possum on October 24, 2022, 04:57:36 PMDid Biden win because of voter fraud?

You're making me say yes or no, when in reality I don't know and can only speculate and determine a level of confidence in what I believe. In order to know, there would have to be full audits in the states that were close enough to change the election.

In the absence of proof we have a lot of claims, evidence and opportunity for fraud.  Since I can only say yes or no, I would say yes, but with a low level of confidence.  Higher than no, but no great.

Quote from: ZenMode on October 24, 2022, 06:20:18 PMYou're making me say yes or no, when in reality I don't know and can only speculate and determine a level of confidence in what I believe. In order to know, there would have to be full audits in the states that were close enough to change the election.

In the absence of proof we have a lot of claims, evidence and opportunity for fraud.  Since I can only say yes or no, I would say yes, but with a low level of confidence.  Higher than no, but no great.

     
Thats a long way of saying you wont answer 😂

Why is it that you refuse to even look at the proof biden cheated? I mean we showed you mountains of proof yet you refused to even look.
We even proved to you that TTV has everything they claim to have further proving it, yet you refuse to acknowledge it because it hurts.

I mean most of america has looked and accepted that biden stole it 100% no doubt in their minds whatsoever, heck several states are decertifying their elections, yet you are somehow special and dont have to look at the proof to claim biden didnt cheat? There is more than enough proof to draw a certain conclusion as most have. Ignorance at this point, is a willful choice, as you seem to be chosing.


If you cant 100% say biden cheated, you are effectively claiming he didnt cheat and won fairly.

(Those are your only two logical options outside of just admitting you are ignorant on the matter and wont look at proof.)

Quote from: T Hunt on October 24, 2022, 07:51:05 PM     
Thats a long way of saying you wont answer 😂

Why is it that you refuse to even look at the proof biden cheated? I mean we showed you mountains of proof yet you refused to even look.
We even proved to you that TTV has everything they claim to have further proving it, yet you refuse to acknowledge it because it hurts.

I mean most of america has looked and accepted that biden stole it 100% no doubt in their minds whatsoever, heck several states are decertifying their elections, yet you are somehow special and dont have to look at the proof to claim biden didnt cheat? There is more than enough proof to draw a certain conclusion as most have. Ignorance at this point, is a willful choice, as you seem to be chosing.


If you cant 100% say biden cheated, you are effectively claiming he didnt cheat and won fairly.

(Those are your only two logical options outside of just admitting you are ignorant on the matter and wont look at proof.)

Quote from: T Hunt on October 24, 2022, 07:51:05 PM     
Thats a long way of saying you wont answer 😂

Why is it that you refuse to even look at the proof biden cheated? I mean we showed you mountains of proof yet you refused to even look.
We even proved to you that TTV has everything they claim to have further proving it, yet you refuse to acknowledge it because it hurts.

I mean most of america has looked and accepted that biden stole it 100% no doubt in their minds whatsoever, heck several states are decertifying their elections, yet you are somehow special and dont have to look at the proof to claim biden didnt cheat? There is more than enough proof to draw a certain conclusion as most have. Ignorance at this point, is a willful choice, as you seem to be chosing.


If you cant 100% say biden cheated, you are effectively claiming he didnt cheat and won fairly.

(Those are your only two logical options outside of just admitting you are ignorant on the matter and wont look at proof.)

Won't answer?  I literally just answered:

"You're making me say yes or no, when in reality I don't know and can only speculate and determine a level of confidence in what I believe"

Quote from: ZenMode on October 24, 2022, 08:33:45 PMWon't answer?  I literally just answered:

"You're making me say yes or no, when in reality I don't know and can only speculate and determine a level of confidence in what I believe"

Like I said you had three choices...

Quote"If you cant 100% say biden cheated, you are effectively claiming he didnt cheat and won fairly.
(Those are your only two logical options outside of just admitting you are ignorant on the matter and wont look at proof.)"

So it looks like you are taking option 3 and claiming you are ignorant and wont look at the proof.
But that itself is a lie since we just showed you the proof and you were unable to counter it with any facts or evidence, so you were proven that cheating did occur, yet you lie and say you dont know, why?

You understand that since WE gave you the evidence WE know that you KNOW 100% that cheating occurred. The moment we showed you the evidence you become a liar when you say you dont know.

Facts are not a matter of opinion....

I'll Just leave this Here...

Quote from: ZenMode on October 22, 2022, 08:48:32 AMdespite having 4 million minutes of drop box surveillance video, they never show any of the identified mules at more than one drop box or at the same drop box twice.

Please, Columbo, tell us how that's relevant?

Quote from: taxed on October 26, 2022, 07:12:23 PMPlease, Columbo, tell us how that's relevant?

Dont expect an answer. This one loves to dodge. Ive been trying to find out why multiple boxes matters at all from him and he wont answer the question.

Of course he is saying that if the video doesnt show multiple boxes then it proves nothing, but he wont say that because we all know its a lie.

Quote from: taxed on October 26, 2022, 07:12:23 PMPlease, Columbo, tell us how that's relevant?

This has already been covered.  The topic of video/drop boxes was literally the first topic I posted about.

True the Vote, in 2000 Mules specifically says that mules drop only a small number of harvested/fraudulent ballots in each box, but they go to many drop boxes.  I believe they use the "death by a thousand cuts" or some similar phrase.  IF they have 4 million minutes of video and IF they identify, on video, specific people as being mules, why don't they show video clips of those mules at other drop boxes?  Doing so would, almost indisputably, prove their case.

Quote from: ZenMode on October 27, 2022, 08:48:19 AMThis has already been covered.  The topic of video/drop boxes was literally the first topic I posted about.

True the Vote, in 2000 Mules specifically says that mules drop only a small number of harvested/fraudulent ballots in each box, but they go to many drop boxes.  I believe they use the "death by a thousand cuts" or some similar phrase.  IF they have 4 million minutes of video and IF they identify, on video, specific people as being mules, why don't they show video clips of those mules at other drop boxes?  Doing so would, almost indisputably, prove their case.

Cool, I figured that would get you out of your hole. Lets Taxed see if he can talk some sense into you...

Quote from: ZenMode on October 27, 2022, 08:48:19 AMThis has already been covered.  The topic of video/drop boxes was literally the first topic I posted about.

True the Vote, in 2000 Mules specifically says that mules drop only a small number of harvested/fraudulent ballots in each box, but they go to many drop boxes.  I believe they use the "death by a thousand cuts" or some similar phrase.  IF they have 4 million minutes of video and IF they identify, on video, specific people as being mules, why don't they show video clips of those mules at other drop boxes?  Doing so would, almost indisputably, prove their case.

Why?  How is their geolocation evidence not better?