Quote from: Solar on October 21, 2022, 01:46:21 PMThe bigger question is, why are you defending cheating?
There is not one damn thing the left has done in decades, but specifically, the last two years that can warrant defending.
Instead you needle in with a myopic point you thinks is valid?

Come on Zen, lets discuss what it is you think the left is doing that is actually good for the country.
Was it the OWS, later to become BLM/Antifa riots, or could it be open borders, maybe destroying our ability to to be energy independent?
Maybe you like the Green Scam, including AGW, solar/wind helping to further bankrupting Americans just to have lights on in their homes?

Whatever it is, I'd love to hear your take on any of this.

What do you like about the lefts agenda?

Quote from: Solar on October 21, 2022, 01:46:21 PMThe bigger question is, why are you defending cheating?
There is not one damn thing the left has done in decades, but specifically, the last two years that can warrant defending.
Instead you needle in with a myopic point you thinks is valid?

Come on Zen, lets discuss what it is you think the left is doing that is actually good for the country.
Was it the OWS, later to become BLM/Antifa riots, or could it be open borders, maybe destroying our ability to to be energy independent?
Maybe you like the Green Scam, including AGW, solar/wind helping to further bankrupting Americans just to have lights on in their homes?

Whatever it is, I'd love to hear your take on any of this.

What do you like about the lefts agenda?

I'm not and would never defend voter fraud or any type of cheating in the election process. Voter fraud should be punished severely anywhere it occurs.

I can't think of anything that I like about the current Democratic Party. The Democratic party used to be pro-civil liberties, pro-free speech and somewhat against war.

Quote from: Solar on October 21, 2022, 01:46:21 PMThe bigger question is, why are you defending cheating?
There is not one damn thing the left has done in decades, but specifically, the last two years that can warrant defending.
Instead you needle in with a myopic point you thinks is valid?

Come on Zen, lets discuss what it is you think the left is doing that is actually good for the country.
Was it the OWS, later to become BLM/Antifa riots, or could it be open borders, maybe destroying our ability to to be energy independent?
Maybe you like the Green Scam, including AGW, solar/wind helping to further bankrupting Americans just to have lights on in their homes?

Whatever it is, I'd love to hear your take on any of this.

What do you like about the lefts agenda?

Watch him dance to the center and try to be a 'moderate conservative'.

Quote from: ZenMode on October 21, 2022, 02:27:14 PMI'm not and would never defend voter fraud or any type of cheating in the election process. Voter fraud should be punished severely anywhere it occurs.

I can't think of anything that I like about the current Democratic Party. The Democratic party used to be pro-civil liberties, pro-free speech and somewhat against war.

Then why were you trying to discredit 2000 Mules?

Quote from: Solar on October 21, 2022, 04:03:53 PMThen why were you trying to discredit 2000 Mules?

I pointed out what I believe is a major failure on the part of the TTV and Dinesh in supporting their claim.  I may dislike the current Dem party, but that doesn't mean I check my intellectual honesty at the door in discussions, you know.

Quote from: ZenMode on October 22, 2022, 07:54:34 AMI pointed out what I believe is a major failure on the part of the TTV and Dinesh in supporting their claim.  I may dislike the current Dem party, but that doesn't mean I check my intellectual honesty at the door in discussions, you know.

What is the failure?  Do explain.

Quote from: taxed on October 22, 2022, 08:05:46 AMWhat is the failure?  Do explain.

despite having 4 million minutes of drop box surveillance video, they never show any of the identified mules at more than one drop box or at the same drop box twice.

Quote from: ZenMode on October 22, 2022, 08:48:32 AMdespite having 4 million minutes of drop box surveillance video, they never show any of the identified mules at more than one drop box or at the same drop box twice.

Again, youve failed to make the point why that matters at all to the point of proving voter fraud since multiple illegal ballots can go in one box....

The only claim TTV has made is that they have proof of cheating, which they have proven beyond any shadow of a doubt.


See, the thing is that if they did show multiple boxes then you would cry about them not showing the mules at the dem offices or them not showing all 10 boxes, etc.
In the end you are demanding TTV show EVERYTHING that makes someone a mule, which is literally impossible in a movie, especially considering ongoing investigations.
But they dont need to show it all to us considering law enforcement has confirmed that they have exactly what they claim to have and is acting on it.

Quote from: T Hunt on October 22, 2022, 09:35:33 AMAgain, youve failed to make the point why that matters at all to the point of proving voter fraud since multiple illegal ballots can go in one box....

The only claim TTV has made is that they have proof of cheating, which they have proven beyond any shadow of a doubt.


See, the thing is that if they did show multiple boxes then you would cry about them not showing the mules at the dem offices or them not showing all 10 boxes, etc.
In the end you are demanding TTV show EVERYTHING that makes someone a mule, which is literally impossible in a movie, especially considering ongoing investigations.
But they dont need to show it all to us considering law enforcement has confirmed that they have exactly what they claim to have and is acting on it.

I am stating two things that are a fact. It is a fact that they claimed they had 4 million minutes of surveillance video. It is a fact that they did not show video of any of the people the identified as mules at more than one dropbox. These two things are facts. How that impacts any one person's opinion of the outcome of the 2020 election is secondary. For some people it may not matter at all, for others it might. I'm not making any specific claims other than, in my view, the lack of video evidence was a major shortcoming on the part of the movie producers.

Quote from: ZenMode on October 22, 2022, 07:54:34 AMI pointed out what I believe is a major failure on the part of the TTV and Dinesh in supporting their claim.  I may dislike the current Dem party, but that doesn't mean I check my intellectual honesty at the door in discussions, you know.

This is akin to wanting the end of the movie played first, so you don't have to watch it all.
Fact is, a lot of investigations as well as arrests have come from the evidence shown in all of the video evidence.

Your point is completely moot and exposes you for who you are. You'll have to try a lot harder if you think this is going to dissuade anyone whatsoever. It may be talk in lib forums, but here it falls flat on its ass.

Quote from: ZenMode on October 22, 2022, 10:03:46 AMI am stating two things that are a fact. It is a fact that they claimed they had 4 million minutes of surveillance video. It is a fact that they did not show video of any of the people the identified as mules at more than one dropbox. These two things are facts. How that impacts any one person's opinion of the outcome of the 2020 election is secondary. For some people it may not matter at all, for others it might. I'm not making any specific claims other than, in my view, the lack of video evidence was a major shortcoming on the part of the movie producers.

If you drop a thousand ballots in a dropbox, why would you go to others?

Quote from: ZenMode on October 22, 2022, 10:03:46 AMI am stating two things that are a fact. It is a fact that they claimed they had 4 million minutes of surveillance video.

Actually they claim far more than that, they claim this...

Quote"To be counted as a mule, their phones had to make AT LEAST FIVE stops per mule at the same leftwing activist groups' locations and make AT LEAST TEN stops at ballot boxes.
THEN, they were caught on video wearing gloves, taking pics of themselves dropping off many many ballots, often dozens even hundreds, between 1AM and 4AM.
ALL 2000 mules passed all these tests, for a total of hundreds of thousands of illegal ballots for biden."

So for each of the 2000 mules...
5 stops at dem offices
10 stops at ballot boxes
gloves
selfies
number of ballots
timing
all on independent video and gps
=proof biden cheated

And it has been confirmed that they have such video because they have given it to multiple law enforcement agencies who are legally acting on this data.

QuoteIt is a fact that they did not show video of any of the people the identified as mules at more than one dropbox.

They also didnt show the dem offices, the gloves, selfies, etc. etc. They didnt show most of what they have in the movie. BUT THEY NEVER CLAIMED TOO.
That is where you are lying. TTV NEVER claimed to show it in the movie, only to have it, which is confirmed by multiple law enforcement agencies.

QuoteThese two things are facts. How that impacts any one person's opinion of the outcome of the 2020 election is secondary. For some people it may not matter at all, for others it might.

But 2KM is only the last in a LONG line of proof of election cheating, which we showed you and you wont address...

QuoteI'm not making any specific claims other than, in my view, the lack of video evidence was a major shortcoming on the part of the movie producers.

How is it a shortcoming when we know they have it and they never claimed to show it in the movie?
They didnt show any of that stuff in the movie due to ongoing investigations, that was never the point.
The point is that they have it, further proving trump won.

Quote from: Solar on October 22, 2022, 10:07:23 AMThis is akin to wanting the end of the movie played first, so you don't have to watch it all.
Fact is, a lot of investigations as well as arrests have come from the evidence shown in all of the video evidence.

Your point is completely moot and exposes you for who you are. You'll have to try a lot harder if you think this is going to dissuade anyone whatsoever. It may be talk in lib forums, but here it falls flat on its ass.

I'm not trying to dissuade anyone.  I posted a fact that I noticed.

Quote from: ZenMode on October 22, 2022, 03:34:00 PMI'm not trying to dissuade anyone.  I posted a fact that I noticed.

But that's the problem, it wasn't a fact at all, as T Hunt very clearly pointed out!
I'm surprised you didn't complain about the ominous music in the background.

Quote from: Solar on October 22, 2022, 07:17:14 PMBut that's the problem, it wasn't a fact at all, as T Hunt very clearly pointed out!
I'm surprised you didn't complain about the ominous music in the background.

2000 Mules showed video of someone at a drop box more than once? At what point in the movie did that occur?

Quote from: ZenMode on October 22, 2022, 08:40:08 PM2000 Mules showed video of someone at a drop box more than once? At what point in the movie did that occur?

Thats never what you or they claimed, dont lie.

TTV never claimed to show that in the movie and you have failed to show where they did claim that it was in the movie. Thats a lie.

TTV only claimed they possessed it, which has been confirmed by multiple law enforcement agencies who now also have the video and gps data from TTV.




On top of that, you have yet to explain why multiple drop boxes matters when multiple illegal ballots can go in one box....
Remember, election cheating has long been proven from many different sources which we have shown here already.