Quote from: T Hunt on September 16, 2021, 09:31:55 AMBut you are only thinking this way because you dont WANT it to be true.

Well, you'd have to be some kind of sociopath to actually want there to be mass voter fraud and our democracy compromised so, yes, I do hope it's not the case.

QuoteRemember, we have already shown you absolute proof the election was stolen and not only could you provide no proof biden won but you wont even look at the evidence trump won.

I disagree.

QuoteSo we know you would normally trust this report except that it says something you dont like and that hurts your side, so of course you wont trust it.

At this point I neither trust or distrust the report because, again, there have been no details provided.

QuoteThank God removing biden doesnt depend on stubborn children like you accepting any of the evidence.

lol....

Quote from: p1tchblack on September 16, 2021, 11:44:38 AMThe canvasser found an empty lot and saw that a vote came from that address.  We have no idea the situation surrounding that.

Actually we do. The canvass said that a vote came from no one. We have no reason to doubt the preliminary report since it only confirms what we already know. Do you have some evidence to discredit them?

QuoteYou shouldn't trust anyone based on their profession, including realtors.

Right, the realtor site was clearly outdated since there is no house there and no one at that address yet a fake ballot came from there.

QuoteYour requirement for proof is substantially lower than mine.

No, mine are realistic and normal. Your requirement is elevated artificially high as a tool so that you can deny anything you do not like or fits your agenda. See in reality you will still be denying this when biden is removed and in jail and trump is in his 2nd term. No amount of evidence will work seeing as you still trust the very sources that say trump is a russian spy and manufactured that hoax. See, you have evidence that they are the enemy of america and lie more often than anything on the right, yet you refuse to adapt your path of thinking using that fact.

Quote from: p1tchblack on September 16, 2021, 11:46:46 AMWell, you'd have to be some kind of sociopath to actually want there to be mass voter fraud and our democracy compromised so, yes, I do hope it's not the case.

So you admit that you want them to be dishonest and lie about the voter fraud soley because you dont WANT the voter fraud to be real. I guess you are some kind of sociopath...

QuoteI disagree.

But you dont disagree based on any evidence or logical train of thought that you can provide here. If you do have any evidence please show it here now...
See, you are only using your emotions to arrive at that conclusion. But again, Thank God nothing depends on your acceptance of reality.

QuoteAt this point I neither trust or distrust the report because, again, there have been no details provided.

But does there need to be details? There doesnt. This group isnt the media. You can trust or not trust it based on the reputation of those conducting it which to this point has been stellar.

Instead you insist on giving the benefit of the doubt to the MSM and the Government, both of whom lied about the manufactured russiagate hoax.

See how you arent thinking logically? You are not properly attributing reputation to those who deserve it and who have lost it. You will never get to the correct conclusions when you insist on beginning at a false starting point.

Quote from: T Hunt on September 16, 2021, 12:00:43 PMActually we do. The canvass said that a vote came from no one. We have no reason to doubt the preliminary report since it only confirms what we already know. Do you have some evidence to discredit them?

That's not what the report said at all.  If there was a vote cast, it was in someone's name.  The details behind who cast the vote and how they got the ballot is what we don't know because, again, there have been no details provided.

QuoteRight, the realtor site was clearly outdated since there is no house there and no one at that address yet a fake ballot came from there.

Again... there was a house there.  There might be a new house there now.  At one time, two voters lived there so, like the other address, the question to be answered is who voted and how did they get the ballot?  Was it forwarded to them?  Did they get their mail from the address even though the house was being leveled because they built a new house?  Again, we have no details, so we don't know anything except that the writers of the report removed the 2058 address and replaced it with the 13226 address for some reason.

QuoteNo, mine are realistic and normal. Your requirement is elevated artificially high as a tool so that you can deny anything you do not like or fits your agenda. See in reality you will still be denying this when biden is removed and in jail and trump is in his 2nd term. No amount of evidence will work seeing as you still trust the very sources that say trump is a russian spy and manufactured that hoax. See, you have evidence that they are the enemy of america and lie more often than anything on the right, yet you refuse to adapt your path of thinking using that fact.

I'm convinced that nobody here knows what lying actually means.

Quote from: T Hunt on September 16, 2021, 12:16:38 PM

QuoteBut does there need to be details? There doesnt. This group isnt the media. You can trust or not trust it based on the reputation of those conducting it which to this point has been stellar.

Instead you insist on giving the benefit of the doubt to the MSM and the Government, both of whom lied about the manufactured russiagate hoax.

See how you arent thinking logically? You are not properly attributing reputation to those who deserve it and who have lost it. You will never get to the correct conclusions when you insist on beginning at a false starting point.

Yes, there needs to be details.  We need to see the examples that were the basis for their numbers, otherwise the numbers mean absolutely nothing. I could take the same report and replace every number on there, by double, and call it 'legit' and you would believe it.

Quote from: p1tchblack on September 16, 2021, 12:24:50 PMThat's not what the report said at all.  If there was a vote cast, it was in someone's name.  The details behind who cast the vote and how they got the ballot is what we don't know because, again, there have been no details provided.

Wrong. The report shows that these votes are ghost votes, coming from thin air. In other words that these were ADDED to the count, thus massive fraud. Its over now, you can stop.

QuoteAgain... there was a house there.  There might be a new house there now.

Wrong. There is NOT A HOUSSE THERE NOW as taxed proved, thus proving the canvass correct that a ghost vote came from there.

 

QuoteAt one time, two voters lived there so, like the other address, the question to be answered is who voted and how did they get the ballot?  Was it forwarded to them?  Did they get their mail from the address even though the house was being leveled because they built a new house?  Again, we have no details, so we don't know anything except that the writers of the report removed the 2058 address and replaced it with the 13226 address for some reason.

Wrong. We KNOW that no one is there now(for the 2020 election) yet a vote was cast from there illegally.  Those are the FACTS that we KNOW because the canvassers PROVED it.

QuoteI'm convinced that nobody here knows what lying actually means.

This coming from the one person to claim he is more moral than God.


 

Quote from: p1tchblack on September 16, 2021, 12:26:41 PMYes, there needs to be details.  We need to see the examples that were the basis for their numbers, otherwise the numbers mean absolutely nothing.

Why EXACTLY do we NEED that, and why would it mean nothing?

QuoteI could take the same report and replace every number on there, by double, and call it 'legit' and you would believe it.

No you couldnt, for the simple reason that you have no credibilty since you have been caught repeatedly lying and ignoring or making up evidence.
The group who did the canvass is not burdened by any of those doubts of credibility.
Add to that that the results simply confirm what we ALREADY HAVE PROVEN.

See how reason and deduction work? Try it for once...

Quote from: T Hunt on September 16, 2021, 12:37:32 PMWrong. The report shows that these votes are ghost votes, coming from thin air. In other words that these were ADDED to the count, thus massive fraud. Its over now, you can stop.

The report makes claims which are unproven.  Until we have examples/specifics those numbers are meaningless.  Like I said, I could literally change every number on that report and there would be NO reason not to believe them using your requirement for proof.

QuoteWrong. There is NOT A HOUSSE THERE NOW as taxed proved, thus proving the canvass correct that a ghost vote came from there.

Right... we are 10 months from the election.  We need to know what was there when the election was held, who, if anyone, was living there and whether they received their ballot legally.

QuoteWrong. We KNOW that no one is there now(for the 2020 election) yet a vote was cast from there illegally.  Those are the FACTS that we KNOW because the canvassers PROVED it.
This coming from the one person to claim he is more moral than God.

Again, we have no idea who cast the vote and the circumstances surrounding that vote. We know the trailer park was sold in February 2020.  We need to know when everyone moved out and the actual homes were no longer occupied.  If they were unoccupied before the election, then how did the person who used to live there, and was registered there, get their ballot. 

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Quote from: T Hunt on September 16, 2021, 12:40:02 PMWhy EXACTLY do we NEED that, and why would it mean nothing?

Because, without specifics and knowing where their numbers came from they are meaningless.  If you trust their numbers, based on what they've provided, then you would have believed their numbers if they increased all of them by 10k, 20k, 50k, etc before the report was published.

QuoteNo you couldnt, for the simple reason that you have no credibilty since you have been caught repeatedly lying and ignoring or making up evidence.

And why does she have credibility?

QuoteThe group who did the canvass is not burdened by any of those doubts of credibility.
Add to that that the results simply confirm what we ALREADY HAVE PROVEN.

See how reason and deduction work? Try it for once...

They've proven nothing as far as their process, their method of determining their numbers and have provided no examples.  They are not discredited, but they've provided not details.  As I keep saying, they could have changed every number on the report and those who want to believe them would still have believed them...that's why we need to know how they got to those numbers and need details: voter names, addresses, etc.

Quote from: p1tchblack on September 16, 2021, 12:45:04 PMThe report makes claims which are unproven.  Until we have examples/specifics those numbers are meaningless.  Like I said, I could literally change every number on that report and there would be NO reason not to believe them using your requirement for proof.

Really? Let me remind you of my requirement for proof...
"No you couldnt, for the simple reason that you have no credibility since you have been caught repeatedly lying and ignoring or making up evidence.
The group who did the canvass is not burdened by any of those doubts of credibility."
Try again.

QuoteRight... we are 10 months from the election.  We need to know what was there when the election was held, who, if anyone, was living there and whether they received their ballot legally.

No you missed it, taxed showed that there was in fact no house there and thus a ballot came from nowhere as the canvass shows.

QuoteAgain, we have no idea who cast the vote and the circumstances surrounding that vote.

Wrong. We KNOW that no one cast the vote, it cant be a ghost vote otherwise.

QuoteWe know the trailer park was sold in February 2020.  We need to know when everyone moved out and the actual homes were no longer occupied.  If they were unoccupied before the election, then how did the person who used to live there, and was registered there, get their ballot.

Right, the canvassers would have already addressed all that so they arent questions anymore, they have been answered. They 'got' their ballot by creating it themselves, that what ghost votes are.

Quote from: p1tchblack on September 16, 2021, 12:53:40 PMBecause, without specifics and knowing where their numbers came from they are meaningless. 

How are they meaningless when they followed all the proper procedures and did everything according to the book, and when their results match whats already been confirmed?

QuoteIf you trust their numbers, based on what they've provided, then you would have believed their numbers if they increased all of them by 10k, 20k, 50k, etc before the report was published.

Wrong. We would not trust them if they were lying or dishonest in any way because we only listen to facts and evidence. So if they changed their numbers then we would see it because it would not state reality, it would state a lie, thus we would know it wasnt true. But since we dont see that we know they are telling the truth.

I mean the full report is coming so we know they CANNOT lie. Your attacks on their credibility are meaningless.

QuoteAnd why does she have credibility?

Because several reasons. 1) Acknowledging the steal to begin with. You cannot be impartial if you dont acknowledge that facts we already have proving the election was rigged. Thus ONLY THOSE WHO ACCEPT THE COUP HAPPEND can be trusted to do honest research further. Thats called logical thinking.
2)She ISNT THE MSM or the GOVERNMENT. She is not on the side of the enemies of america and is a patriot. That gives her a mountain of credibility among most americans.

QuoteThey've proven nothing as far as their process, their method of determining their numbers and have provided no examples.  They are not discredited, but they've provided not details.

But they dont need too, their credibility has already been established. But dont worry, they will show the whole thing eventually, however adults can use their brains and dont need to wait for that before drawing conclusions.

Funny, from what you are saying it sounds like you wont believe the Audits preliminary reports either. If not then whats the point of preliminary reports at all?

 

QuoteAs I keep saying, they could have changed every number on the report and those who want to believe them would still have believed them...that's why we need to know how they got to those numbers and need details: voter names, addresses, etc.

But how could they have done that without lying? And we already know they arent lying, so what reason could you possibly have to suspect that when their findings only confirm whats already been proven?

Quote from: p1tchblack on September 16, 2021, 11:05:45 AMWe don't know her abilities.  She may be a great statistician...who just decided to get into real estate.

If I needed surgery, and a realtor offered to do it, I'd want her/him to prove they had the ability.  I wouldn't just assume they did.

We're not talking medicine, we're talking about grade school math, but your need to rely on the very entity in charge of the corruption speaks volumes about your credibility.

Quote from: T Hunt on September 16, 2021, 01:31:55 PMHow are they meaningless when they followed all the proper procedures and did everything according to the book, and when their results match whats already been confirmed?

What procedures and what book did they follow? They went door to door, talked to about 4700 TOTAL people and, from that, determined that hundreds of thousands of votes are ghost/lost?  They haven't provided and examples.  They've provided two address that MIGHT be an issue, but even that isn't known for sure.

QuoteWrong. We would not trust them if they were lying or dishonest in any way because we only listen to facts and evidence. So if they changed their numbers then we would see it because it would not state reality, it would state a lie, thus we would know it wasnt true. But since we dont see that we know they are telling the truth.

If they changed their number now, yes we would all notice.  If, on the initial report, they literally doubled all of the ghost/lost votes, how would anyone know if was fake data?  We wouldn't, because they've provided no specific examples beyond two addresses that aren't even for sure fraud.  Remember, THEY changed their cover page.

QuoteI mean the full report is coming so we know they CANNOT lie. Your attacks on their credibility are meaningless.

I'm not attacking anything.  All I've been pointing out is that people like you are taking their vague, unsupported report as gospel before any details have been provided.

QuoteBecause several reasons. 1) Acknowledging the steal to begin with. You cannot be impartial if you dont acknowledge that facts we already have proving the election was rigged. Thus ONLY THOSE WHO ACCEPT THE COUP HAPPEND can be trusted to do honest research further.

That is absolutely ridiculous.  People who are biased in either direction should not be inherently trusted and this group is 100% biased. Not only that, they haven't provided any details on how they got from talking to 5k people to hundreds of thousands of problem votes.

QuoteThats called logical thinking.

2)She ISNT THE MSM or the GOVERNMENT. She is not on the side of the enemies of america and is a patriot. That gives her a mountain of credibility among most americans.
But they dont need too, their credibility has already been established. But dont worry, they will show the whole thing eventually, however adults can use their brains and dont need to wait for that before drawing conclusions.

Or confirmation bias.

QuoteFunny, from what you are saying it sounds like you wont believe the Audits preliminary reports either. If not then whats the point of preliminary reports at all?

What I'm saying, and have already said multiple times, is that this report is meaningless with out much, much more detail.

QuoteBut how could they have done that without lying? And we already know they arent lying, so what reason could you possibly have to suspect that when their findings only confirm whats already been proven?

How can you know they aren't lying when we have absolutely no details on the work they've done?

Quote from: p1tchblack on September 16, 2021, 11:05:45 AMWe don't know her abilities.  She may be a great statistician...who just decided to get into real estate.

If I needed surgery, and a realtor offered to do it, I'd want her/him to prove they had the ability.  I wouldn't just assume they did.

But she has already proven her ability and thats why most americans accept her findings.

Quote from: T Hunt on September 16, 2021, 02:56:28 PMBut she has already proven her ability and thats why most americans accept her findings.

Until she provides details, so that all of the claims can be investigated, and provides the specifics of how she got to the numbers she has, we have absolutely no idea of her ability or honesty.