Quote from: Pop Daddy on July 06, 1970, 08:16:16 PM
I'm sorry, have you been on holiday out in space somewhere? 
Governments by their very nature are evil and repressive.  It's why the framers originally set up a system to check the power of the evil that exists in governance. 
It has taken about 100 years for the progressives to prove the inherent evil that exists today in what's left of our republican form of government. 
The Constitution has been flipped upside down.
To say our current state of affairs in the USA reflects the people is a joke, a piss poor joke at that. 
The evil that resides in government has again risen from Hell to destroy a free nation.
So no thanks to your Queen, King or Duke of Earl.  Especially if it leads to little pussy girlie boys like that pathetic mama's boy being led around like a cuckold by his Whitey hating piece of shit wife.  But I guess the queer nation needs it's leaders as well.  Princess Harry is a disgrace to every man on this planet and the thought of someone like that as a future King in some utopia bullshit monarch?  Bullshit

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Obviously ideas enrage you; unsurprising, as they require reflection rather than
running off at the mouth w/coarse and ignorant vulgarity!
Your assertion that "Government is evil and repressive by nature" is pure paranoia!
Rather Government is the choice of a culture/society reflecting the attitudes,
behaviors, impulses and sentiments of Man, who while created imperfectly, has
free will giving him choices as well as an intellect to assess those choices.
Further, your assertion that the "current state of affairs in the USA, reflects on the
people, is a piss poor joke"; is too stupid for words.
The culture/society of Ancient Greece, chose hierarchical governance of it's wisest
because they grasped an eternal reality; "MEN ARE NOT AND NEVER WILL BE EQUAL".
So they and their Roman brethren survived and thrived for some 12 centuries.
When we become sufficiently humble and introspective to take an unsmiling look at
ourselves perhaps we will have a chance to recapture the legacy/heritage of the past.

Quote from: Walter Josh on March 27, 2021, 10:19:43 AM
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Obviously ideas enrage you; unsurprising, as they require reflection rather than
running off at the mouth w/coarse and ignorant vulgarity!
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For obvious reasons, I don't like, advocate, subscribe nor endorse wanton vulgarity either. Unfortunately there are people who cannot express themselves without wanton vulgarity.

Quote from: Walter Josh on March 27, 2021, 10:19:43 AM
Your assertion that "Government is evil and repressive by nature" is pure paranoia!
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Government is an inanimate object and thus cannot be evil nor repressive. The people who comprise that government CAN BE though. It's sort of like saying that a car kills people or a firearm shoots people. Both cars and firearms are inanimate objects and thus are incapable to doing anything on their own.

Quote from: Walter Josh on March 27, 2021, 10:19:43 AM
Rather Government is the choice of a culture/society reflecting the attitudes,
behaviors, impulses and sentiments of Man, who while created imperfectly, has
free will giving him choices as well as an intellect to assess those choices.
[quote/]

While you may think that humans are "perfect", I would disagree with you completely.

Quote from: Walter Josh on March 27, 2021, 10:19:43 AM
Further, your assertion that the "current state of affairs in the USA, reflects on the
people, is a piss poor joke"; is too stupid for words.
[quote/]

The United States may be the best country on the planet however, I agree with his assessment that the United States has backslidden greatly over the course of the last 50 to 100 years. Certainly, the United States is arguably not the country that my Grandfather, Father and Brother fought for.

Quote from: Walter Josh on March 27, 2021, 10:19:43 AM
The culture/society of Ancient Greece, chose hierarchical governance of it's wisest
because they grasped an eternal reality; "MEN ARE NOT AND NEVER WILL BE EQUAL".
[quote/]

I believe that all humans were created equal. Free will being what it is, some humans have chosen paths which have led to different places. Let's say that two human beings are given $100. One spends that $100 on illegal drugs and one saves a part of that money. Both were given the same amount of money to start with. The outcomes are very different because of what each chose to do with that money. I believe that life is similar.

Quote from: Walter Josh on March 27, 2021, 10:19:43 AM
So they and their Roman brethren survived and thrived for some 12 centuries.
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It all depends on what is meant by "survived and thrived". The Romans were brutal in their methods and would punish severely anyone who did not comply with what they believed was correct behavior.

Quote from: Walter Josh on March 27, 2021, 10:19:43 AM
When we become sufficiently humble and introspective to take an unsmiling look at
ourselves perhaps we will have a chance to recapture the legacy/heritage of the past.

And if we don't become "sufficiently humble and introspective" then what? Who makes the call on who is "sufficiently humble and introspective"? What happens to those who are deemed as not "sufficiently humble and introspective"? Who is "sufficiently humble and introspective" as to judge who is and is not "sufficiently humble and introspective"?
If someone isn't "sufficiently humble and introspective", what punishment do they get and who administers it?

The words, "let he who is without sin, cast the first stone..." comes to mind.

Quote from: Walter Josh on March 27, 2021, 10:19:43 AM
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Obviously ideas enrage you; unsurprising, as they require reflection rather than
running off at the mouth w/coarse and ignorant vulgarity!
Your assertion that "Government is evil and repressive by nature" is pure paranoia!
Rather Government is the choice of a culture/society reflecting the attitudes,
behaviors, impulses and sentiments of Man, who while created imperfectly, has
free will giving him choices as well as an intellect to assess those choices.
Further, your assertion that the "current state of affairs in the USA, reflects on the
people, is a piss poor joke"; is too stupid for words.
The culture/society of Ancient Greece, chose hierarchical governance of it's wisest
because they grasped an eternal reality; "MEN ARE NOT AND NEVER WILL BE EQUAL".
So they and their Roman brethren survived and thrived for some 12 centuries.
When we become sufficiently humble and introspective to take an unsmiling look at
ourselves perhaps we will have a chance to recapture the legacy/heritage of the past.

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Fair retort w/2 strong demurrals:
* My words were "Man is NOT perfect and never will be." Free Will confers choice.
* The French Enlightenment birthed revolutionaries, like Rousseau, who promoted
   Egalitarianism; the natural Equality of Man, which birthed Marxism.
   Some 2000 years earlier, Plato defined the Psyche (Soul) of Man as that unique
   entity differentiating all Men for eternity, enabling his creative/innovative impulse.
   The history of Man since Eden affirms Plato as arguably the wisest who ever
   walked this Earth and Rousseau as an ignorant propagandist.

Quote from: Walter Josh on March 27, 2021, 11:56:13 AM
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Fair retort w/2 strong demurrals:
* My words were "Man is NOT perfect and never will be." Free Will confers choice.
* The French Enlightenment birthed revolutionaries, like Rousseau, who promoted
   Egalitarianism; the natural Equality of Man, which birthed Marxism.
   Some 2000 years earlier, Plato defined the Psyche (Soul) of Man as that unique
   entity differentiating all Men for eternity, enabling his creative/innovative impulse.
   The history of Man since Eden affirms Plato as arguably the wisest who ever
   walked this Earth and Rousseau as an ignorant propagandist.

My apologies, I misread or misunderstood you comment. You did in fact say that men are NOT perfect.

I disagree that Plato is or was the wisest. IMHO Solomon was the wisest. But, that is merely my opinion.

Quote from: RV on March 27, 2021, 12:10:24 PM
My apologies, I misread or misunderstood you comment. You did in fact say that men are NOT perfect.
I disagree that Plato is or was the wisest. IMHO Solomon was the wisest. But, that is merely my opinion.

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Again, fair enough.
Obviously we'll have to define "wise" at another time.
Anyway, stay well.

First, most people are smarter than some of you give them credit for and they are generally good.
There is a problem with the American and French style of Presidency that echoes the ancient French idea of the devine right of kings. No one individual should have both great authority and political power. Authority is the right to make a decision. Power is the ability to carry it out. The Constitutional Monarchy gives the Crown authority ove everything except money. Political power derived from the control of revenues and expenditure its given to the elected government. The American rebels anger at the King was misplaced as he had no authority over taxation.
You can have a Republic in which authority and power are separated such as Germany and Israel. You can also have a Constitutional Monarchy as an American Head of State who would safeguard all of the rights and freedoms given to you by the creator as the founders intended.

Quote from: Solar on March 27, 2021, 09:29:18 AM
Yep, just look at the wealth of those in power in the UK. The Crown, the Catholic church, only God knows how much they've stolen over the centuries.

The Queen's wealth is a recent phenomenon. When Queen Victoria married Prince Albert, he was shocked to find how little personal funds the Queen of England had. He invested what was left in real estate around London. It was a very astute move. However, the present Queen's personal funds are administered by the UK government. Some is used to pay for the operations of the Crown. JK Rowling has a lot more money than the Queen. The funds are not all that great. When the Prince of Wales becomes King (King George VII?), he has let it be known that the "Royal Family" is going to shrink in order to limit spending.
As for Prince Harry, he will never be King. There are a lot of heirs between him and the Throne. He has often said he never wants to be King.
The King is constitutionally forbidden to marry a Roman Catholic. In light of Edward VIII's marriage to Mrs. Simpson and Prince Harry's marriage to Ms. Markel, they should add a provision that the monarch should be forbidden to marry an American.
Hope you are all having a good weekend.

Quote from: Tory Potter on March 27, 2021, 01:55:47 PM
First, most people are smarter than some of you give them credit for and they are generally good.
There is a problem with the American and French style of Presidency that echoes the ancient French idea of the devine right of kings. No one individual should have both great authority and political power. Authority is the right to make a decision. Power is the ability to carry it out. The Constitutional Monarchy gives the Crown authority ove everything except money. Political power derived from the control of revenues and expenditure its given to the elected government. The American rebels anger at the King was misplaced as he had no authority over taxation.
You can have a Republic in which authority and power are separated such as Germany and Israel. You can also have a Constitutional Monarchy as an American Head of State who would safeguard all of the rights and freedoms given to you by the creator as the founders intended.

I see my informative post went Right over your head.

QuoteThe Queen's wealth is a recent phenomenon. When Queen Victoria married Prince Albert, he was shocked to find how little personal funds the Queen of England had. He invested what was left in real estate around London. It was a very astute move. However, the present Queen's personal funds are administered by the UK government. Some is used to pay for the operations of the Crown. JK Rowling has a lot more money than the Queen. The funds are not all that great. When the Prince of Wales becomes King (King George VII?), he has let it be known that the "Royal Family" is going to shrink in order to limit spending.
As for Prince Harry, he will never be King. There are a lot of heirs between him and the Throne. He has often said he never wants to be King.
The King is constitutionally forbidden to marry a Roman Catholic. In light of Edward VIII's marriage to Mrs. Simpson and Prince Harry's marriage to Ms. Markel, they should add a provision that the monarch should be forbidden to marry an American.
Hope you are all having a good weekend.

I'll bet you believe all that crap, don't you?

Admire the past all you want.  Where are they today?  Shitholes or quickly becoming one.  Yeah, they wrote some good shit, big deal.

I'm an American, vulgar and as stupid as I want to be.  That's my unalienable right.  My understanding is that when the framers/founders gathered to create a form of government, they realized they did not want to copy the other forms of government that all turned to shit.  Hence we got what I consider to be the perfect document.  The trouble was keeping it due to the corruption of man.

I'm not sure where this "man is not perfect" bullshit comes from.  I can't recall any man claiming such or aspiring to be such.  We have had some great men in this country.  We have produced wealth and products unlike any other society.  America and it's form of government is that shinning city on a hill that millions want to come here.

Using Europe as some sort of example, the bastard socialist in this country have been slowly destroying our nation.  The socialist democrap party needs to overwhelm the system, that's how strong our country is, it can not fail on it's own.  Socialist/marxist/commies/progressives/leftist/MSM know their time is coming to an end.  It explains the total unlawfulness that is happening.  Federal law is very simple to understand about immigration, yet we have no one to defend us.  We become Europe and the rest of the shithole countries when the welfare state now consists of over one half the population.  Had it not been for the bastards wanting to be like Europe, our Republic would be doing just fine thank you.

I hope this isn't too vulgar or stupid for words, well no I really don't care, but fuck the queen and the monarchs.  We are the United States of America. We are the big dog on the block, the rest are sucking hind tit.  OK?  Now if we could wind the clock back to around 1900 and push for the abortions of the future socialist that were to be born here, we'd still be true to our founding.  They should never have stopped public hangings in the town square.

You have every reason to love your system. Regardless of the issues in politics, Americans can be grateful to live in one of the greatest nations in history. Many countries would love to have it. As you say, many people would love the opportunity to be Americans. Hence, the crisis on your borders.
The question was why would some people prefer a Constitutional Monarchy. I did my best to explain why.

Quote from: Pop Daddy on March 27, 2021, 04:17:37 PM
Admire the past all you want.  Where are they today?  Shitholes or quickly becoming one.  Yeah, they wrote some good shit, big deal.
I'm an American, vulgar and as stupid as I want to be.  That's my unalienable right.  My understanding is that when the framers/founders gathered to create a form of government, they realized they did not want to copy the other forms of government that all turned to shit.  Hence we got what I consider to be the perfect document.  The trouble was keeping it due to the corruption of man.
I'm not sure where this "man is not perfect" bullshit comes from.  I can't recall any man claiming such or aspiring to be such.  We have had some great men in this country.  We have produced wealth and products unlike any other society.  America and it's form of government is that shinning city on a hill that millions want to come here.
Using Europe as some sort of example, the bastard socialist in this country have been slowly destroying our nation.  The socialist democrap party needs to overwhelm the system, that's how strong our country is, it can not fail on it's own.  Socialist/marxist/commies/progressives/leftist/MSM know their time is coming to an end.  It explains the total unlawfulness that is happening.  Federal law is very simple to understand about immigration, yet we have no one to defend us.  We become Europe and the rest of the shithole countries when the welfare state now consists of over one half the population.  Had it not been for the bastards wanting to be like Europe, our Republic would be doing just fine thank you.
I hope this isn't too vulgar or stupid for words, well no I really don't care, but fuck the queen and the monarchs.  We are the United States of America. We are the big dog on the block, the rest are sucking hind tit.  OK?  Now if we could wind the clock back to around 1900 and push for the abortions of the future socialist that were to be born here, we'd still be true to our founding.  They should never have stopped public hangings in the town square.

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The 'Shining City on the Hill' was Jerusalem, as described by Matthew, in his Gospel
written some 2,000 years ago.

Quote from: Tory Potter on March 27, 2021, 05:00:03 PM
You have every reason to love your system. Regardless of the issues in politics, Americans can be grateful to live in one of the greatest nations in history. Many countries would love to have it. As you say, many people would love the opportunity to be Americans. Hence, the crisis on your borders.
The question was why would some people prefer a Constitutional Monarchy. I did my best to explain why.

Why?  Good question.  A reflection of the piss poor public education system here.  You can not fire a piss poor teacher unless said teacher was to murder a few dozen students, and even then the union would demand the poor misunderstood teacher get counseling and transferred to a different school.

The students are not taught truthful facts about this country and how it came to be.  There are taught that the "white" invaders came here to rape, plunder and steal.  Whitey is blamed for the many deaths of the Indians, but it is never taught how long before whitey the Indians were doing a fine job of raping, stealing and killing each other.  And even worse today with the 1619 project, critical race theory and then that demented pedophile piece of shit Biden comes in and dismantles the 1776 project claiming it to be false.  All this stupid shit trickles down into the public school system were it is spoon fed to our children.

Go ask a high school senior what the difference is between a democracy and a republic.  If asked what the second amendment was about, they'd most likely say hunting.  And the best one, the freedom of speech, unless it hurts someone's feelings.  It's all bullshit, hence you get a poll of stupid people that shouldn't be allowed to vote or be left alone with a book of matches.

Quote from: Pop Daddy on January 19, 1970, 09:08:07 AM

Admire the past all you want.  Where are they today?  Shitholes or quickly becoming one.  Yeah, they wrote some good shit, big deal. I'm an American, vulgar and as stupid as I want to be.  That's my unalienable right. 

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Hmm........ be sure the above be chiseled on your gravestone!!!
As for those past, they are the reason we exist in the present.
Bernard de Chartres, a 12th century Scholastic, asserted the following:
" We are little more than trivial dwarves' who see as far as we do, simply
  because we can ascend the massive shoulders of the Giants of Antiquity."
* Some 100,000 years past, Man commenced migration to the Fertile Crescent
   while creating the discipline/science of Botany which birthed Agriculture, the
   lifeline for humanity up to this very moment.
* The Greeks, Euclid & Pythagoras, created Geometry w/o which
   structures (bridges, edifices, roads, tunnels....) were not possible.
* As well, the Ancient Greeks birthed Medicine (Hippocrates), Biology
   (Erasistratus) and Physics (Archimedes and many more)

Quote from: Pop Daddy on March 27, 2021, 04:17:37 PM
I'm an American, vulgar and as stupid as I want to be.

Don't use "stupid". We true American Conservative Patriots aren't stupid. We might be stubborn, but we are not stupid.

Quote from: Walter Josh on March 27, 2021, 06:00:50 PM
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The 'Shining City on the Hill' was Jerusalem, as described by Matthew, in his Gospel
written some 2,000 years ago.

Yeah look how that turned out.....

As an aside to Biblical references. I wonder what would happen to a kid if they took a "loaded" Bible into school? The loaded Bible reference is tied to what the President of the NEA said about Bibles something like 15-20 years ago, and at the time the push back was less than aggressive. Would it be treated more dangerously than a gun? Save outside shootings, every shooting that has occurred in the last 10 years in public and private buildings have been a gun-free-zone. It is interesting to me that Christian Clubs are against the diversity rules of most public education groups, but they will carve out 5 prayer sessions for students with Islamic ideologies.