Quote from: Darwinist on October 17, 2010, 09:31:33 AM
It's creepier that you spend so much time paying attention to it.

And it's Creepier still that you go to conservative sites to ick fights and make insults about bert's ass.

Quote from: wally on October 17, 2010, 05:22:11 AM
I hate the smear tactic of labling someone who questions any POTUS' candidates qualifications and when the questions are not fully answered and such a cadidate becomes POTUS then I hate the fact that anyone can get away with what appears to bew a massive fraud!

With all the illegal aliens flooding into this country from the failed Narco-state of Mexico and all of the new identities created giving them the appearence of being US citizens, is it inconceivable that one day in the future we might not have a candidate for POTUS who may not have actually been born in this country?  Would it be "racist" to want to find out if such a person is qualified.

Bear in mind that the Founders of our nation wanted to ensure that there would never be a time where a foreign born President could ever be elected.  They feared that such a person might have alligances to others in foreign nations and not to those over whom he might try to dictate!

I am a Constitutionalist and I respect the rationale of those great men who created our Constitution and I have repeatedly taken an oath to protect, preserve and defend our Constitution, throughout my life!  That oath is sacred to me and more than just a formality of being sworn in to an office!

Obama has yet to proove anything about these allegation which were first raised by the Clinton campaign, during the primary.  Just because John McCain decided that he would make them off limits did not mean he spoke for anyone other than his own damn self!

I don't know if Obama is or is not a natural born citizen.  He's fought it every inch of the way and that makes me suspicious!  They must be an accounting and their will be...trust me!

You don't know if Obama was born in this country or not ....when a copy of Obama's legal birth certificate has been provided by the state of Hawaii; when every senior Republican in government has said, when asked, that OF COURSE Obama is an American-born citizen; when every court challenge concerning Obama's citizenship has been unceremoniously thrown out as frivolous! And yet AFTER all of this you still "don't know??"

I suggest you prefer to remain ignorant.

Quote from: Dan on October 17, 2010, 09:35:34 AM
And it's Creepier still that you go to conservative sites to ick fights and make insults about bert's ass.

"Bert's ass" ... why are you being redundant?

Quote from: quiller on October 17, 2010, 09:32:01 AM
There isn't a small animal within ten miles of the alley where he keeps his refrigerator-crate. Ricky strangled them all.

Between strangling stray animals and fixated on Bert's ass, little Ricky is one creepy dude.

Quote from: Dan on October 17, 2010, 09:38:35 AM
Between strangling stray animals and fixated on Bert's ass, little Ricky is one creepy dude.

This was the same creep who kept LNF ablaze for weeks over his support for child molesters, before CLAIMING he was only playing devil's-advocate.

This is the same creep who lied about his previous jobs in Idaho as (choke) a "radio announcer." The station had no listing for the air name Ricky openly gave on the LNF. I forgot to try checking at K-Mart --- Ricky's Blue Light Specials announcements were probably hilarious, hearing him advertise his favorite feminine hygiene products.

Ricky's the one who hates himself so badly he simply must share that worthlessness with those who soon can't stand him. He's not even a good bad example.

Take for example how he uses outdated information because that's all he has. He thinks I'm still 70 pounds heavier than when his eyewitness last saw me, yet persists in childish nicknames like "Blobby" to show how clever he is while selling blood to the Red Cross, to pay off his drug habit.

He will never rise as high as second-rate.

Quote from: Darwinist on October 17, 2010, 09:38:23 AM
"Bert's ass" ... why are you being redundant?

Don't you need to go register with local law enforcement or something?

Quote from: Dan on October 17, 2010, 09:49:43 AM
Don't you need to go register with local law enforcement or something?

That's probably why he left Idaho for Colorado. That or he ran out of excuses to hang around school playgrounds.

Quote from: Solar on October 17, 2010, 07:43:44 AM
So you want to somehow remove human nature, the natural defense response we all have?

When it's based on irrational prejudice, yes.

QuoteYou do realize that when bad things happen in our lives, like learning fire is hot, or glass can cut if not respected, or when someone dressed a certain way reflects their personality.
These are things we learn throughout life that keeps us safe, but using your logic, we are somehow supposed to unlearn them.

Tell me one bad thing that an entire race is responsible for. Can't? No surprise. But there are people who hate entire races not just individuals. Can their hatred possibly be rational? No, because even if they have reason to hate certain individuals of a certain race generalizing that hate to the entire race is, on its face, irrational. Societies generally prefer rationalism to irrationalism (religion as an exception); this is implicit in the material fact that all societies create authority structures and at least some rules everyone is expected to live by - because organization in anything is an outgrowth of the desire for rationality (and predictablity, and convenience - and rationality makes things predictable and is convenient, whereas irrationality doesn't and isn't), and lack of organization is a symptom of irrationality.

It's the generalization of suspicion and dislike that creates bigotry and prejudice. (Note the "PRE" in prejudice: to be prejudiced is to PRE-judge. Negative prejudice, such as racial prejudice, is the judging of the hatred race before (that's the meaning of "pre") any reason to judge presents itself. If a black man walks into your shop and robs you, you have every instinctual right to be suspicious of that man if he ever walks into your shop again - and that's a rational response, based on direct experience. But when you generalize your suspicion to all black men, now you're being irrational because ALL black men have not robbed you. Do you see? And if you further generalize to include black women as well ("... who would hang around wih a robber but another robber?"), now you've redoubled your irrationality, becoming suspicious and untrusting of an entire race based on the actions of a single individual who harmed you.

The irrationality of this manifests most directly in a comparison of like incidents: if you're white and a white man robs you in your shop, do you typically come to be suspicious of all white men? No. Because they're like you, and so you consider the robber an aberration. But if it's a black man who robs you, what makes it so easy to generalize his individual act of robbery as representative of his entire race? It's because we instinctively distrust "the Other." It's an evolved survival mechanism. Now at one time, and under certain circumstances, it was extremely useful, when our ancestors lived on the open veldt in small family bands, and literally every consumable thing was potentially a source of food, including other people.

But the need for that instinct has become anachronistic in city-based civilizations which rely for their cohesion on the general acceptance of the fact that people typically aren't going to harm you much less turn you into their lunch. So while we still may be suspicious of people whose behavior indicates they might be dangerous, we no longer have to be suspicious of everyone we meet. ....well, not unless we're paranoid, that is. (And note: suspicion of or viewing everyone as a genuine threat to one's personal well-being has in fact become recognized in civilized society as an undesirable mental condition with a very real potential to be hazardous to others; and so we see the close conceptual connection between prejudice and bigotry and clinical paranoia.)

QuoteOh goody, more laws and regulations, one more bureaucracy, more people to answer to, more paper work to fill out, more employees to hire as a police force to watch over the private sector.

Governments, laws, and regulations, as well as the enforcement agencies created to uphold and implement their policies, are the price for living in a civilized society. Don't like it? I hear there are any number of private islands, with permanent fresh water sources, for sale around the world. Buy one, and then run your personal little kingdom any way you like.

QuoteThis is the answer I expected, you can't force something that isn't ready to fit, if you do, you only make the situation worse.

Maybe, initially. But people adapt readily ...even to things that are done for their own good. For example, how many people have you robbed today? None? Why? Robbing someone certainly has advantages favoring you, right? You might not rob someone because you've been taught it's wrong (that would be one of those pesky regulations you so dislike, alas); but maybe you don't rob because you don't much like the consequences of getting caught. But that means you have adapted yourself to refrain from engaging in an activity that has some very clear favorable advantages for you, providing you get away with it. There. You see? You can adapt to something that's for your own good ...like not suffering the consequences of robbing someone. And so people will also be able to adapt to avoiding the consequences of behaving in a bigoted way. The trick is to make behaving like a bigot more costly, when caught, than not behaving like a bigot at all.

QuoteAnd this is different from a black racist not wanting to hire Whites?

No. And black racists should be treated with the exact same heavy legal hand as white racists. It's not about black and white; it's about making public racism such a risky thing to do that no one even wants to try getting away with it.

QuoteBlacks have the Exact same opportunity as do you and I when it comes to opening a business, there is no reason they can't open a business right in their own community and hire specifically Blacks, and I doubt you would hear Whites crying racism.

I don't know why you keep going on with this "opportunity" thing. Not everyone wants to have their own business; not everyone can due to financial exigencies. Look around: 99% of the people in the country are employed not employers. All this jive about "opportunity" makes it sound as if you think that ratio is reversed, or should be. And this thing about blacks can open businesses to specifically hire and cater to blacks? What's with that? Do you miss the old Jim Crow days, Solar, when America was divided into black and white, with each hiring and catering to their own? Because that's what you just suggested - a nonistitutionalized form of Jim Crow, the voluntary racial balkanization of the US.

QuoteBut it meets no criteria whatsoever, as you yourself stated, it can and will build more resentment, in turn exacerbating racism.

Until people adapt to it. After that they'll think no more of it than you think about not robbing people..

QuoteSo now you advocate Fascism?

Obviously not, if you understand what Fascism is.

QuoteAre you also ready to pass laws of association? Whereby I have to prove that I have mingled with x amount of black people per week?

And now you exaggerate for effect. How could such a quota ever be set, considering a shopkeeper has no control at all over the demographic of the customers coming into his store - unless he himself tries to weed out certain types, such as by putting up a "No Coloreds" sign on the door?

Preventing a shop owner from turning customers away based on their race promotes a rational society - one which denies the validity of racism, and refuses to tolerate racism's innate irrationality, while still leaving room for people to dislike and distrust individuals who have a proven track record of harm. It also benefits the shopkeeper economically by automatically increasing his customer base, and therefore - at least potentially - his sales as well. A win for society, and a win for the shop owner (whether he wants it or not).

Dan, Bert and Bob:

You all remind me of naughty little children who, seeing their mommy's handsome, suave date putting the moves on her on the livingroom couch, take it upon themselves to behave as malignantly as possible in hope of distracting either or both. But I'm not playing. So run along, little boys. I hear your Lincoln Logs and GI Joe dolls calling your names.

Thats funny you condescending little prick because you remind me of a douche bag.

Quote from: Dan on October 17, 2010, 12:17:27 PM
Thats funny you condescending little prick because you remind me of a douche bag.

Ever the mature one. What an example you set for the other posters.  :-*

Quote from: Darwinist on October 17, 2010, 12:28:18 PM
Ever the mature one. What an example you set for the other posters.  :-*

You know you love it. For guys like you negative attention us better than no attention at all.

I get plenty of attention of the positive sort. I come to places like this because it's fun seeing you all scurry like brainless pismires trying to protect your little anthill from a tornado.

Quote from: Darwinist on October 17, 2010, 01:02:29 PM
I get plenty of attention of the positive sort. I come to places like this because it's fun seeing you all scurry like brainless pismires trying to protect your little anthill from a tornado.

So you joined this forum simply to denigrate the forum and it's members. That says everything we need to know about you.

Quote from: Darwinist on October 17, 2010, 01:02:29 PM
I get plenty of attention of the positive sort. I come to places like this because it's fun seeing you all scurry like brainless pismires trying to protect your little anthill from a tornado.

No, you come to sites like this because your life is so empty and utterly meaningless that anonymous insults are the high point of your day. As I said before, I sorta pity you.