Quote from: Tennenbaum on September 09, 2011, 11:52:41 AM
Your basic point appears to be that if we take away the choice then more babies will live. That may or may not be true, but I am not willing to do that, and neither are many liberals if I might speak for them.

Allowing people choice and liberty often leads to results we don't all approve of, but that's how it goes.

You don't feel a good number of would-be aborted babies would live?

Quote from: taxed on September 09, 2011, 11:56:23 AM

You don't feel a good number of would-be aborted babies would live?

It's certainly possible.

Quote from: Tennenbaum on September 09, 2011, 11:59:08 AM
It's certainly possible.

I'm trying to zero in on why you don't feel that is more of a possibility than not...

Quote from: taxed on September 09, 2011, 12:06:35 PM

I'm trying to zero in on why you don't feel that is more of a possibility than not...

We have a much more mobile population than we did before Roe v. Wade. For all we know anybody who wants an abortion could go to Mexico or Canada  or wherever and have one.

But pretend I agree with you completely. Less babies will be aborted. Where are you going from there?

Quote from: Tennenbaum on September 09, 2011, 12:08:04 PM
We have a much more mobile population than we did before Roe v. Wade. For all we know anybody who wants an abortion could go to Mexico or Canada  or wherever and have one.

Of course, that will certainly happen.


What does your gut tell you would happen?

Quote from: Tennenbaum on September 09, 2011, 11:52:41 AM
Your basic point appears to be that if we take away the choice then more babies will live. That may or may not be true, but I am not willing to do that, and neither are many liberals if I might speak for them.Allowing people choice and liberty often leads to results we don't all approve of, but that's how it goes.

Actually, neither are many conservatives. There are more than a few conservatives (maybe none on this board, maybe not even Mary Matlin, but I am not speculating, I have talked to them myself) who believe that woman who has been impregnated via rape should have the legal right to an abortion.  Not forced to have one, not recomended to have one, but have one if she chooses to do so.  Which makes them pro-choice.  They just want to be in charge of the criteria. 

Quote from: taxed on September 09, 2011, 12:11:27 PM

Of course, that will certainly happen.


What does your gut tell you would happen?

I don't make these kind of decisions based on my gut.

Quote from: Tennenbaum on September 09, 2011, 12:13:29 PM
I don't make these kind of decisions based on my gut.

I see...

Quote from: Tennenbaum on September 09, 2011, 12:08:41 PM
But pretend I agree with you completely. Less babies will be aborted. Where are you going from there?

It wouldn't be a real discussion from there, because we would not be basing a discussion on solid foundation.

Quote from: taxed on September 09, 2011, 12:19:31 PM


It wouldn't be a real discussion from there, because we would not be basing a discussion on solid foundation.

I don't think the discussion revolves around my personal speculation on a hypothetical situation, does it?

It seemed like you were building an argument piece by piece, I am curious where it was going.

Quote from: Tennenbaum on September 09, 2011, 12:21:05 PM
I don't think the discussion revolves around my personal speculation on a hypothetical situation, does it?

I believe many otherwise aborted babies would be alive, so my view on the entire topic is rooted on that belief.

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It seemed like you were building an argument piece by piece, I am curious where it was going.

It was, but not having a belief of more babies living or dying if abortion was 100% illegal is a critical component, to my way of thinking.

Quote from: taxed on September 09, 2011, 12:26:05 PM
I believe many otherwise aborted babies would be alive, so my view on the entire topic is rooted on that belief.
It was, but not having a belief of more babies living or dying if abortion was 100% illegal is a critical component, to my way of thinking.

Like I said, go ahead. More babies will live if abortion is illegal. I already said that was entirely possible.

Quote from: taxed on September 09, 2011, 12:26:05 PM
I believe many otherwise aborted babies would be alive, so my view on the entire topic is rooted on that belief.
It was, but not having a belief of more babies living or dying if abortion was 100% illegal is a critical component, to my way of thinking.

I think you're right.  Making something illegal does not eliminate it, but it definitely makes it occur less, depending on enforcement of course.  Prohibition even reduced alcohol consumption.  Maybe not by as much as making abortion illegal would reduce abortion, but it did have an impact.  Where it was enforced more strenously, it had a greater impact.