Quote from: BILLY-bONNEY on September 07, 2011, 04:47:23 PM


Not all the time.


Billy

We try at least.

Quote from: Tennenbaum on September 07, 2011, 04:43:46 PM
Is a law preventing you from getting knee surgery if you want it ok?

Don't dodge' I asked you a question. There is a Constitutional right to an abortion which is a medical procedure. I asked you to show me where my Constitutional right to knee surgery. Now don't answer with a question or obfuscate. Just answer.

Quote from: Jollity farm... on September 07, 2011, 04:49:36 PM
Don't dodge' I asked you a question. There is a Constitutional right to an abortion which is a medical procedure. I asked you to show me where my Constitutional right to knee surgery. Now don't answer with a question or obfuscate. Just answer.

There is no constitutional right to a knee surgery. However, if you want to pay for a knee surgery, would you accept a law that prevented you from having one?

You have this situation entirely backwards. There is no constitutional right guaranteeing a woman an abortion, but there is no constitutional reason why a law can prevent her from having one if she wants one. Get it?

Quote from: Tennenbaum on September 07, 2011, 04:45:30 PM
No, it's not murder. We put people in jail for murder.

So you don't think a woman killing the baby you helped produce, that you wanted to raise, even if it is without her, is not murdering a baby?

You are being extremely dishonest here, you are hiding behind the semantics of the current law.
But no matter how you spell it out, killing is by any definition, murder when the life is wanted.

Quote from: Solar on September 07, 2011, 04:51:44 PM
So you don't think a woman killing the baby you helped produce, that you wanted to raise, even if it is without her, is not murdering a baby?

You are being extremely dishonest here, you are hiding behind the semantics of the current law.
But no matter how you spell it out, killing is by any definition, murder when the life is wanted.

Legal definitions aren't up to me. I think a lot of things that aren't legally murder are murder. I am being entirely honest. I think capital punishment is murder. Do you?

Quote from: Tennenbaum on September 07, 2011, 04:23:06 PM
The law can't force the mother to have an abortion. It only allows her to make a free choice. That's liberty right there.

So let's change a few of the words:

QuoteThe law can't force the mother to have an abortion you to own slaves. It only allows her to make a free choiceyou to own them. That's liberty right there.

Or how about:

QuoteThe law can't force the mother to have an abortionindividuals to operate the death camps. It only allows her to make a free choiceindividuals to volunteer to operate them. That's liberty right there

Strange how the abortionists want to make babies less than people. Subhuman. I think the German term was Untermenschen. Sounds oddly familiar.

Quote from: mdgiles on September 07, 2011, 04:54:33 PM
So let's change a few of the words:Or how about:Strange how the abortionists want to make babies less than people. Subhuman. I think the German term was Untermenschen. Sounds oddly familiar.

Hey, let's talk about popsicles if we are allowed to just change the words around.

Quote from: Tennenbaum on September 07, 2011, 04:51:19 PM
There is no constitutional right to a knee surgery. However, if you want to pay for a knee surgery, would you accept a law that prevented you from having one?

You have this situation entirely backwards. There is no constitutional right guaranteeing a woman an abortion, but there is no constitutional reason why a law can prevent her from having one if she wants one. Get it?

if there is no Constitutional right to an abortion then the SCOTUS would been involved let alone cite the Constitution in the ruling of which the entire case was based on. They found a right to abortion. Yet I don't have a right to knee surgery. Can you at least tell me what clause is being violated here?

Quote from: Jollity farm... on September 07, 2011, 04:55:38 PM


if there is no Constitutional right to an abortion then the SCOTUS would been involved let alone cite the Constitution in the ruling of which the entire case was based on. They found a right to abortion. Yet I don't have a right to knee surgery. Can you at least tell me what clause is being violated here?

Wrong. SCOTUS said no law could be made to prevent abortion. Not a right to abortion.

Quote from: Tennenbaum on September 07, 2011, 04:38:25 PM
Because it's not an absolute. We do not reserve killing for just those things, and we don't even know if babies have souls. It's your opinion, your moral worldview.

Little babies are innocent, and they are little lives.  I'm surprised you disagree with that.

Quote from: Tennenbaum on September 07, 2011, 04:53:32 PM
Legal definitions aren't up to me. I think a lot of things that aren't legally murder are murder. I am being entirely honest. I think capital punishment is murder. Do you?

No!
But don't obfuscate the point, the point is if you are partially responsible for the creation of a child, a child you are willing to raise and nurture and the woman destroys that life, she is murdering a child.

Where is my right as a man in the say of it's future?

If you buy a home with this same woman and split up, does she have all say in what happens to the profits from the sale?

Quote from: taxed on September 07, 2011, 04:57:44 PM

Little babies are innocent, and they are little lives.  I'm surprised you disagree with that.

Babies, sure. A fetus cannot express it's will upon the world. It therefore is a part of the mother. IMO. We crush life everywhere and everyday. Life itself isn't special, IMO.

Quote from: Solar on September 07, 2011, 04:57:55 PM
No!
But don't obfuscate the point, the point is if you are partially responsible for the creation of a child, a child you are willing to raise and nurture and the woman destroys that life, she is murdering a child.

Where is my right as a man in the say of it's future?

If you buy a home with this same woman and split up, does she have all say in what happens to the profits from the sale?

I don't consider it murder. I think when a man has sex with a woman he doesn't usurp that woman's liberty just because she becomes pregnant.

Quote from: Tennenbaum on September 07, 2011, 05:01:33 PM
I don't consider it murder. I think when a man has sex with a woman he doesn't usurp that woman's liberty just because she becomes pregnant.

What about usurping his rights?

Quote from: Tennenbaum on September 07, 2011, 04:57:33 PM
Wrong. SCOTUS said no law could be made to prevent abortion. Not a right to abortion.

Which is  a fancy way of saying The Constitution protects the women's right to abortion. What clause does this violate?