Quote from: wally on October 29, 2019, 01:29:28 PM
and how would that have been any different that what Eric Hold did?

Ha, OK. Just ignore the rule of law and ignore basic ethics because the Dems did it.

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  Saying so, don't make it so!  The entire Trump-Russia Collusion Hoax would have died as they attempted to Impeach him!  They had a hell of a lot less organized effort before two years of Mueller!!!!    Right now we have an Attorney General who has put himself on the line and they will do the same thing to William Barr that they would have done to AG Jeff Sessions.  The only difference is;   They are now going to attempt to take out the President along with anyone who stands with him!

Oh. So, they would have just thrown their hands up and said "oh well guys, I guess we have to give up on this one" and moved straight to Ukraine?  In the mean time, we'd have an AG who would have obstructed justice and committed a ton of violations, likely validating the other side as well.  We kept clean hands, hence why we will have clean prosecutions, and had a clean Mueller report.

But, you've committed to Sessions being the bad guy who made a bunch of bad moves, and the bad guys would just obey the rules, so whatever...

Quote from: taxed on October 29, 2019, 01:19:46 PM
Why would that have not been obstruction of justice?

What would he have obstructed? They had not proven anything that he could obstruct and he would have had to start the special prosecutor's investigation. 
He was not mandated to do anything with a referal from Congress.

Quote from: carolina73 on October 29, 2019, 01:37:27 PM
What would he have obstructed? They had not proven anything that he could obstruct and he would have had to start the special prosecutor's investigation. 
He was not mandated to do anything with a referal from Congress.

He was under FBI investigation.

Quote from: taxed on October 29, 2019, 01:34:40 PM
Ha, OK. Just ignore the rule of law and ignore basic ethics because the Dems did it.

Oh. So, they would have just thrown their hands up and said "oh well guys, I guess we have to give up on this one" and moved straight to Ukraine?  In the mean time, we'd have an AG who would have obstructed justice and committed a ton of violations, likely validating the other side as well.  We kept clean hands, hence why we will have clean prosecutions, and a clean Mueller report.

But, you've committed to Sessions being the bad guy who made a bunch of bad moves, and the bad guys would just obey the rules, so whatever...

Taxed, you are wrong.  The difference between Eric Holder's contempt of Congress and what they may have been to have done with Sessions, if that Holder ran a criminal conspiracy and covered it up, including the murder of one of our Border Patrol Officers.  Trump and Sessions did not do what the Democrats have accused them of and both Trump and Sessions know it!  Sessions was innocent.  Holder was guilty.

As far as the OLC opinion, it is just that; AN OPINION!   The Attorney General does not have to accept the opinion of the OLC, but there will be consequences if he does not.  Just like the Impeachment of Trump, it doesn't mean the Conspirators will win!

Quote from: wally on October 29, 2019, 01:40:23 PM
Taxed, you are wrong.  The difference between Eric Holder's contempt of Congress and what they may have been to have done with Sessions, if that Holder ran a criminal conspiracy and covered it up, including the murder of one of our Border Patrol Officers.  Trump and Sessions did not do what the Democrats have accused them of and both Trump and Sessions know it!  Sessions was innocent.  Holder was guilty.

To be clear, it would have been OK for Sessions to go after the FBI that investigated him?  That would have held up in a court of law?  And, look how much cover the Dems have with Congress on the President -- forget an Attorney General.

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As far as the OLC opinion, it is just that; AN OPINION!   The Attorney General does not have to accept the opinion of the OLC, but there will be consequences if he does not.  Just like the Impeachment of Trump, it doesn't mean the Conspirators will win!

With your way of thinking, the President could have told Mueller to pound sand and not hand over any docs, etc.  Instead, they have zero argument for obstruction of any kind, and nullified any possible support for that as a basis for impeachment.  Also, the obstruction case would not have only fallen on Sessions, but Trump, since the narrative would have likely been "Trump told his pit bull to go after us innocent FBI agents investigating his wrong doing".

We've gone though this thing clean, and left the Dems with NOTHING that can be used against Trump.  Instead, it seems like you wish we handed them a treasure trove of talking points that would have built up a case for impeachment.

Quote from: carolina73 on October 29, 2019, 12:45:19 PM
Trump trashed Sessions badly for a year before he canned him.

I have to believe that Sessions had his middle finger raised to the TV set when he watched Trump on TV.

Magicians do it all the time, it's called distraction, or sleight of hand. Sessions was being used as a distraction, even Q kept telling us Sessions is a good guy.

When did POTUS make the statement "Calm Before the Storm?"
When was HUBER activated by SESSIONS?
Who was/is assigned to HUBER?
ACTING AG PRIMARY PURPOSE?
SCARAMUCCI MODEL?
PUBLIC OPINION (OPTICS) DO NOT MATTER.
What was leaked today (on purpose?)?
https://twitter.com/johnrobertsFox/status/1070749777334292481
HUBER to testify re: Clinton Foundation?
HUBER to reveal 'active' probe actively underway into organization?
OIG to release report #2 [overview indicating many 'potentially criminal referrals' made]?
"We do not discuss active/ongoing DOJ / FBI investigations."
MIL INTEL
FISA
THE WORLD IS WATCHING.
Q

You can do a search for Sessions qanon.pub and see for yourself.

Quote from: taxed on October 29, 2019, 01:50:08 PM
To be clear, it would have been OK for Sessions to go after the FBI that investigated him?  That would have held up in a court of law?  And, look how much cover the Dems have with Congress on the President -- forget an Attorney General.
With your way of thinking, the President could have told Mueller to pound sand and not hand over any docs, etc.  Instead, they have zero argument for obstruction of any kind, and nullified any possible support for that as a basis for impeachment.  Also, the obstruction case would not have only fallen on Sessions, but Trump, since the narrative would have likely been "Trump told his pit bull to go after us innocent FBI agents investigating his wrong doing".

We've gone though this thing clean, and left the Dems with NOTHING that can be used against Trump.  Instead, it seems like you wish we handed them a treasure trove of talking points that would have built up a case for impeachment.

If Sessions had stuck to his guns then there was no Mueller and there was nothing that anyone could have done about it. It was teh deep state in the DOJ and the FBI that created the crisis so they could have an investigation. Rosenstein brought in the Special Prosecutor and he was part of the entire deep state scam.  There was never a need to bring in Mueller or anyone from the outside. Sessions could have had put a John Dunham type in charge of an internal investigation.

Quote from: carolina73 on October 29, 2019, 02:50:00 PM
If Sessions had stuck to his guns

How so?  What does that mean?  What does an attorney general do when he needs to investigate investigators who investigated him?

Quote from: taxed on October 29, 2019, 01:50:08 PM
To be clear, it would have been OK for Sessions to go after the FBI that investigated him?  That would have held up in a court of law?  And, look how much cover the Dems have with Congress on the President -- forget an Attorney General.
With your way of thinking, the President could have told Mueller to pound sand and not hand over any docs, etc.  Instead, they have zero argument for obstruction of any kind, and nullified any possible support for that as a basis for impeachment.  Also, the obstruction case would not have only fallen on Sessions, but Trump, since the narrative would have likely been "Trump told his pit bull to go after us innocent FBI agents investigating his wrong doing".

We've gone though this thing clean, and left the Dems with NOTHING that can be used against Trump.  Instead, it seems like you wish we handed them a treasure trove of talking points that would have built up a case for impeachment.

The Attorney General is the Chief Law Enforcement Officer of the United States.  The President is not.  Once there was no Attorney General to perform due diligence then the Fix was in and nobody could stop it.

Again, I LIKE JEFF SESSIONS, but once he saw what his former 'colleagues' did to him during his confirmation he should have recused himself and gone to the President and withdrawn his name from consideration.  Instead, the Democrats got his problem to recuse himself based on Lies and distortions of what had and what had not occurred in his dealings with the Russian Ambassador while he was a Senator.   He had no reason to recuse himself other than because he was being falsely accused, just like our President is.  I think Sessions simply wanted his dream job far too much and ultimately he was compromised in his ability to perform the job which our nation needed done;  CUTTING THESE TRAITORS OFF AT THE KNEES BY STANDING UP TO THEM AND THEIR CONSPIRACY TO TAKE DOWN OUR DULY ELECTED PRESIDENT;  If it ain't Treason, it damn well ought to be!

Quote from: wally on October 29, 2019, 03:04:20 PM
The Attorney General is the Chief Law Enforcement Officer of the United States.  The President is not.  Once there was no Attorney General to perform due diligence then the Fix was in and nobody could stop it.

Rod Rosenstein handled the Russia-hoax side of things.  Why did they need Sessions?

Quote from: taxed on October 29, 2019, 03:07:20 PM
Rod Rosenstein handled the Russia-hoax side of things.  Why did they need Sessions?

Rod Rosenstein is part of the hoax.  He was involved in the Uranium One deal, along with Hillary Clinton and Mueller.  Jeff Sessions is an honest, decent man.  He undoubtedly made the same mistakes others have made, by placing far too much faith in the wrong people!  Whether Mueller and Rosenstein merely attempted to keep themselves from embarrassment or whether they violated any laws and were part of a conspiracy to obstruct justice and frame an innocent man, is yet to be determined.

Quote from: wally on October 29, 2019, 03:14:52 PM
Uranium Rod Rosenstein is part of the hoax.

Then why isn't Trump impeached or out of office?  Why no obstruction and no collusion?

Quote from: taxed on October 29, 2019, 03:16:27 PM
Then why isn't Trump impeached or out of office?  Why no obstruction and no collusion?

There's an old adage which comes to mind.  " If you hoot at the King, you've got to kill him ".   They have repeatedly taken their best shot and missed!  Finally, there are a lot of people in the GOP who were not Trump's supporters, who have taken a stand along side him on behalf of the future of the Presidency and our nation.  If they get away with doing this to this Republican President; They Win and our Nation will Lose!   They will 'trump' up fake charges against any future Republican President and install One Party Rule and whatever form of government they see fit.

Quote from: wally on October 29, 2019, 03:22:14 PM
There's an old adage which comes to mind.  " If you hoot at the King, you've got to kill him ".   They have repeatedly taken their best shot and missed!  Finally, there are a lot of people in the GOP who were not Trump's supporters, who have taken a stand along side him on behalf of the future of the Presidency and our nation.  If they get away with doing this to this Republican President; They Win and our Nation will Lose!   They will 'trump' up fake charges against any future Republican President and install One Party Rule and whatever form of government they see fit.

What does this have to do with Rosenstein?  Rod was US Attorney of Maryland when the Spygate stuff started.  When did he supposedly become part of the attempted coup?

Quote from: taxed on October 29, 2019, 03:25:11 PM
What does this have to do with Rosenstein?  Rod was US Attorney of Maryland when the Spygate stuff started.  When did he supposedly become part of the attempted coup?

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"  What new documents reveal about the Uranium One deal
Unveiled memos conflict with the Justice Department's statement.
And the investigation was led by then-Assistant FBI Director Andrew McCabe, thenU.S. Attorney Rod Rosenstein, The Hill reported. Rosenstein is now the deputy attorney
general; McCabe, until last month, was the deputy director of the FBI.
Mueller's investigators in the Russia probe report to Rosenstein.  "

https://docs.house.gov/meetings/II/II06/20190625/109694/HHRG-116-II06-20190625-SD004.pdf