Since when is being wealthy or rich a dirty word in America?  I find nothing dirty about it at all.  And since when is a "Family that combined make $250,000. a year considered rich?  And since when are the "rich" or anyone for that matter responsible for the "poor"? How about we make everyone responsible for themselves and truly help those who cannot help themselves (children, handicapped, etc.) Is responsibility a "dirty" word all of a sudden? And another thing - stop bashing on "business", without business most of us would lose our jobs. Are we all gonna work for the govt? Where is the govt going to get the money to pay us all? Perhaps this argument could be better understood if we defined "rich" and "poor". For example, do we think of "rich" as anyone richer than us so we don't ever think of ourselves as rich? TAX CUTS WORK, PERIOD. Are you telling me if you have more money in your pocket you wouldn't feel better and perhaps pay off more bills or maybe even buy something which is how you keep the economy going? I dare you to say no. So stop complaining about tax cuts just because you'd rather see those "rich" people have less money. It's just not what America was supposed to be. We fought for independence, so why is he taking it away from us!
Can any of you Obama-tards answer that? . You idiots are still delusional almost 2 years into this disaster of a presidency. Exactly why there should be a minimum IQ in order to vote.

I agree. Liberal logic says that taking what others have earned for their own benefit is somehow proof that they are generous. And if the rich don't want to involuntarily subsidize the lifestyles of liberals then that somehow makes them greedy.

Pretty screwed up logic when the takers are characterized as the generous ones and the givers are called greedy.

First off Grandma welcome to the forum, glad you're here.
And I like the point you made.
Perhaps this argument could be better understood if we defined "rich"   and "poor". For example, do we think of "rich" as anyone richer than us   so we don't ever think of ourselves as rich?

That is exactly what the left is doing, theh are trying to pit one group against another, a class warfare, if you will.
Make those out to be evil that make more than most, and tax them as punishment.

Quote from: Solar on October 12, 2010, 06:50:15 AM
First off Grandma welcome to the forum, glad you're here.
And I like the point you made.
Perhaps this argument could be better understood if we defined "rich"   and "poor". For example, do we think of "rich" as anyone richer than us   so we don't ever think of ourselves as rich?

That is exactly what the left is doing, theh are trying to pit one group against another, a class warfare, if you will.
Make those out to be evil that make more than most, and tax them as punishment.

Maybe it took me going to the Philippines and into Mexico many years ago, now, but I do in fact have seen true poverty first-hand. Neither country's people deserved the epidemic corruption that they got from supposedly democratic leaders.

Here in this country I have seen people on welfare pull up outside the welfare office and get out of a luxury car, stow their fur coat in the trunk and replace it with a cloth one --- and go in like they were the neediest people on earth. As a gas-station clerk, I watched them go in across the street and then come back out and go directly to the numbers-runner lurking on the street corner.

I worked as a grocery-store cashier "bashing buttons" while food stamps were still being used, and they'd buy the steaks that their off-the-books cash job couldn't provide. Then they'd hand a $5 food stamp to me for a then-55-cent pack of gum, and use that cash for separate payment on 40-ouncers or jugs of Night Train or Ripple. Or they'd go outside and huddle with someone in a beast-up car, and long-long-long handshakes would ensue, as money and drugs changed hands.

That was the poverty side talking to us people with actual jobs. Stuff seen firsthand, not just heard-about.

I got jobs that paid little and left with me with even less after liberals chiseled me out of money to support the scumbags. I kept my head up anyway, taking any job that two competing temporary agencies threw at me, and never missed a day. I didn't need a day off to go celebrate the birthday of someone like Republican Martin Luther King Jr. I worked every holiday some leftist punk would not. Sparse as it was, I parlayed that meager paycheck into a down payment for an apartment house I paid off without ever missing a payment. I refused government assistance.

Liberals go bankrupt. Liberals never keep their promises, and they never do real productive work.

If anyone's poor in America, and they are able-bodied, then it is 100% their fault.

That's the thing quiller, there really are no poor in this Country, only those that haven't tried, or are too stupid to succeed.
It's all relative by comparison to other Countries.
By comparison, even the poorest of the poor in this Nation, live a far better life than do those in third World Countries.
We only have those that are kept in the cycle, the left needs victims.

Quote from: Solar on October 12, 2010, 07:51:08 AM
That's the thing quiller, there really are no poor in this Country, only those that haven't tried, or are too stupid to succeed.
It's all relative by comparison to other Countries.
By comparison, even the poorest of the poor in this Nation, live a far better life than do those in third World Countries.
We only have those that are kept in the cycle, the left needs victims.

    Thats a good point, poor in this country is defined as people that dont have what everyone else has...and not on true poverty.
   

Quote from: zip on October 12, 2010, 08:08:59 AM
    Thats a good point, poor in this country is defined as people that dont have what everyone else has...and not on true poverty.
   

Yep, the poor in this country still seem to have a TV and a place to sit on their ass to watch it.
If someone in this Country is homeless, it's purely by choice.

There is so much corruption in the welfare offices and administration that many people are drawing two or three checks and dead people are still on the payroll. It is a gaint scam calculated to rip off the Govt and voting guarentees the democratic socials foxes will stay in the hen house and have achiken dinner everynight.

Ever hear the term "welfare Cadillac"?

They are the norm rather than the exception.


Billy

Quote from: Grandma Zaza on October 12, 2010, 04:47:36 AM
Since when is being wealthy or rich a dirty word in America?  I find nothing dirty about it at all.  And since when is a "Family that combined make $250,000. a year considered rich?  And since when are the "rich" or anyone for that matter responsible for the "poor"? How about we make everyone responsible for themselves and truly help those who cannot help themselves (children, handicapped, etc.) Is responsibility a "dirty" word all of a sudden? And another thing - stop bashing on "business", without business most of us would lose our jobs. Are we all gonna work for the govt? Where is the govt going to get the money to pay us all? Perhaps this argument could be better understood if we defined "rich" and "poor". For example, do we think of "rich" as anyone richer than us so we don't ever think of ourselves as rich? TAX CUTS WORK, PERIOD. Are you telling me if you have more money in your pocket you wouldn't feel better and perhaps pay off more bills or maybe even buy something which is how you keep the economy going? I dare you to say no. So stop complaining about tax cuts just because you'd rather see those "rich" people have less money. It's just not what America was supposed to be. We fought for independence, so why is he taking it away from us!
Can any of you Obama-tards answer that? . You idiots are still delusional almost 2 years into this disaster of a presidency. Exactly why there should be a minimum IQ in order to vote.

I agree with all of your contentions and probably a whole lot more than you listed here. While so do a plethora of other people, who by and large share the blame in so much as allowing this all to happen, by taking way too much for granted in the running of our Government. While the Left has suttely and systematically been creating an attitude of overcompromising responsibility among the electorate, steadfastly supported by the Drive-By Media.
Ostensibly making us feel guilty for the welfare of those that are less fortunate. While garnering votes by creating a "Dependent" class of lower income citizens, is only the first of many benefits they acquired. As Engineering convoluted policies and programs, that are designed to raise taxes, deepen the deficit, and keep us precipitously unstable ( that is designed to keep us from asking for our fair share, as the subliminal inference is that you are Greedy ). Then spend our tax dollars to convince us that they are needed to "Repair the Mess", as they "Sell Out" to lobbyists, and special interest groups.
Whereby if you stand up to their insidiousness, you are immediately labeled Ill Informed, Uncompassionate, Racist, and Non Compliant. While if you should go to the next level by organizing a moderate rebellion by influencing a sizeable group of detractors, which will immediately result in an I.R.S. audit.
Newt Gingrich said it best recently on a Bill O'Reilly show. When asked why Congress didn't use a "common sense" formula that O'Reilly presented to Gingrich on a particular issue, he replied with, "If they did it WOULD probably work".
After composing himself O'Reilly said, "Do you mean that "They" don't want to solve the problem"? As Newt shot back with, "If they solved problems, that would render them IRRELEVANT!!!!
AAAHHHHHH a moment of Rare Honesty!

 The progressives needed a bad guy to point the finger at to gain power for themselves, its a sad deal when so many in this country are so dependent on the Government for their basic needs.   I have no problem helping those in need and often do, be it with my time, my experience or my money, but that should always be a choice we make as individuals and not a demand made to us by the Government.  I had to laugh at my sister in law when she told me they were so poor they couldn't buy food, I told her to drop her cell phone and Internet and satellite TV and she would be amazed what she saved at the end of the month....   I just don't get people... We live in the greatest country in the world where opportunity abounds for anyone willing to work for it.  Its sad when its our immigrants who are some of the only ones that believe in the American dream!

Rich is a choice I do think made by the person or persons, that worked hard to get there.  American poor is allowed and accepted by state and government agencies and is allowed to become a way of life.  Drives me bug nuts to see funded poor.     To me funded poor is who is yellin the loudest. If those that can't figure out how to live within their means, can't figure it out, there is no way me the tax paying person should have that way of living shoved down my throat. 
I have an in-law that pleads poverty and whines all day long. Gets mad at us because we still do things.  She can't,,or actually won't.  But she can have her dogs groomed, pay those cell bills and run 5 tv's.  Go figure...

When I was in my early 20's my neighbor was on "aid".  Just because she had a kid without a husband she got - food stamps, WIC, and general assistance.  She was allowed to do this until the child became school age (6).  One day out of frustration I told her to get up off her ass and get a job since I was tired of supporting her. 

A few years later I found her working for the County in the Clerks office.  At least she didn't keep having babies to stay on welfare like so many do. :( :(

Quote from: Solars Toy on October 13, 2010, 08:37:44 PM
When I was in my early 20's my neighbor was on "aid".  Just because she had a kid without a husband she got - food stamps, WIC, and general assistance.  She was allowed to do this until the child became school age (6).  One day out of frustration I told her to get up off her ass and get a job since I was tired of supporting her. 

A few years later I found her working for the County in the Clerks office.  At least she didn't keep having babies to stay on welfare like so many do. :( :(

Gee, she went from one no-work, taxpayer-funded position to another --- and you don't call that welfare? A government job is our version of a license to steal.