Quote from: Double D on September 26, 2016, 09:04:17 AM
Why is this not even being discussed?? True or not we dont know but if it were Cruz or Rubio it would be all over the media.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usGAeBMDUoM

Not being discussed because ol bill clinton himself used epstein's plane and is just as guilty.
http://nypost.com/2015/02/14/bill-clintons-libido-threatens-to-derail-hillary-again/
Must be a real problem for the lsm, they have on this dirt on slime ball trump but can not used it because of dirt bag clinton.
Come on all you trumpsters, why should I vote for trump????

Quote from: s3779m on September 26, 2016, 09:15:17 AM

Come on all you trumpsters, why should I vote for trump????

So The Beast doesn't become President.

Quote from: Shooterman on September 26, 2016, 02:57:44 PM
So The Beast doesn't become President.

Yep, thats about the only answer I ever get. Trouble with that, I see no difference between them. Call it evil 1 and evil 2.

Quote from: s3779m on September 26, 2016, 03:16:54 PM
Yep, thats about the only answer I ever get. Trouble with that, I see no difference between them. Call it evil 1 and evil 2.

Just be sure and tell your kids you voted for Hillary.

Quote from: Shooterman on September 26, 2016, 03:20:48 PM
Just be sure and tell your kids you voted for Hillary.

I still plan to write in Cruz. That is not a vote for hillary or trump.

Quote from: Shooterman on September 26, 2016, 03:20:48 PM
Just be sure and tell your kids you voted for Hillary.

Now thats original....

Quote from: Shooterman on September 26, 2016, 03:20:48 PM
Just be sure and tell your kids you voted for Hillary.

Oh Shooter, shame on you. 

Quote from: Shooterman on September 26, 2016, 03:20:48 PM
Just be sure and tell your kids you voted for Hillary.

Be sure your kids know you supported the Establishment.

TED CRUZ' STATEMENT ENDORSING DONALD TRUMP - full text

https://www.facebook.com/tedcruzpage/posts/10154476728267464

   Ted Cruz
   September 23 ·
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This election is unlike any other in our nation's history. Like many other voters, I have struggled to determine the right course of action in this general election.

In Cleveland, I urged voters, "please, don't stay home in November. Stand, and speak, and vote your conscience, vote for candidates up and down the ticket whom you trust to defend our freedom and to be faithful to the Constitution."

After many months of careful consideration, of prayer and searching my own conscience, I have decided that on Election Day, I will vote for the Republican nominee, Donald Trump.

I've made this decision for two reasons. First, last year, I promised to support the Republican nominee. And I intend to keep my word.

Second, even though I have had areas of significant disagreement with our nominee, by any measure Hillary Clinton is wholly unacceptable — that's why I have always been #NeverHillary.

Six key policy differences inform my decision. First, and most important, the Supreme Court. For anyone concerned about the Bill of Rights — free speech, religious liberty, the Second Amendment — the Court hangs in the balance. I have spent my professional career fighting before the Court to defend the Constitution. We are only one justice away from losing our most basic rights, and the next president will appoint as many as four new justices. We know, without a doubt, that every Clinton appointee would be a left-wing ideologue. Trump, in contrast, has promised to appoint justices "in the mold of Scalia."

For some time, I have been seeking greater specificity on this issue, and today the Trump campaign provided that, releasing a very strong list of potential Supreme Court nominees — including Sen. Mike Lee, who would make an extraordinary justice — and making an explicit commitment to nominate only from that list. This commitment matters, and it provides a serious reason for voters to choose to support Trump.

Second, Obamacare. The failed healthcare law is hurting millions of Americans. If Republicans hold Congress, leadership has committed to passing legislation repealing Obamacare. Clinton, we know beyond a shadow of doubt, would veto that legislation. Trump has said he would sign it.

Third, energy. Clinton would continue the Obama administration's war on coal and relentless efforts to crush the oil and gas industry. Trump has said he will reduce regulations and allow the blossoming American energy renaissance to create millions of new high-paying jobs.

Fourth, immigration. Clinton would continue and even expand President Obama's lawless executive amnesty. Trump has promised that he would revoke those illegal executive orders.

Fifth, national security. Clinton would continue the Obama administration's willful blindness to radical Islamic terrorism. She would continue importing Middle Eastern refugees whom the FBI cannot vet to make sure they are not terrorists. Trump has promised to stop the deluge of unvetted refugees.

Sixth, Internet freedom. Clinton supports Obama's plan to hand over control of the Internet to an international community of stakeholders, including Russia, China, and Iran. Just this week, Trump came out strongly against that plan, and in support of free speech online.

These are six vital issues where the candidates' positions present a clear choice for the American people.

If Clinton wins, we know — with 100% certainty — that she would deliver on her left-wing promises, with devastating results for our country.

My conscience tells me I must do whatever I can to stop that.

We also have seen, over the past few weeks and months, a Trump campaign focusing more and more on freedom — including emphasizing school choice and the power of economic growth to lift African-Americans and Hispanics to prosperity.

Finally, after eight years of a lawless Obama administration, targeting and persecuting those disfavored by the administration, fidelity to the rule of law has never been more important.

The Supreme Court will be critical in preserving the rule of law. And, if the next administration fails to honor the Constitution and Bill of Rights, then I hope that Republicans and Democrats will stand united in protecting our fundamental liberties.

Our country is in crisis. Hillary Clinton is manifestly unfit to be president, and her policies would harm millions of Americans. And Donald Trump is the only thing standing in her way.

A year ago, I pledged to endorse the Republican nominee, and I am honoring that commitment. And if you don't want to see a Hillary Clinton presidency, I encourage you to vote for him.
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(Note to admin:  It seems to me that Ted Cruz posted his statement
intending that it be spread as widely as possible.
If you really think that there's any chance of Ted Cruz suing for copyright infringement,
then go ahead and edit as you see fit.)
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added:
Oh!  I just found the same text as the above at Reply #4 of this thread!
Oh well.  It's worth another look.
(As long as I'm here again, I chose some passages to highlight.)

I give Ted credit for ripping into Hillary, something the establishment wont do.

Quote from: je_freedom on October 28, 2016, 06:22:24 PM
TED CRUZ' STATEMENT ENDORSING DONALD TRUMP - full text

https://www.facebook.com/tedcruzpage/posts/10154476728267464

   Ted Cruz
   September 23 ·
..



After many months of careful consideration, of prayer and searching my own conscience, I have decided that on Election Day, I will vote for the Republican nominee, Donald Trump.

I've made this decision for two reasons. First, last year, I promised to support the Republican nominee. And I intend to keep my word.

Second, even though I have had areas of significant disagreement with our nominee, by any measure Hillary Clinton is wholly unacceptable — that's why I have always been #NeverHillary.

First, and most important, the Supreme Court.

Second, Obamacare. The failed healthcare law is hurting millions of Americans. If Republicans hold Congress, leadership has committed to passing legislation repealing Obamacare. Clinton, we know beyond a shadow of doubt, would veto that legislation. Trump has said he would sign it.

Third, energy.

Fourth, immigration.
Fifth, national security.
Sixth, Internet freedom.

For someone that usually sees through the BS, you certainly display your addiction to the Chump Koolaid.
All of what you mention is not the responsibility of POTUS, rather Congress, so these issues are moot regardless of who gets elected.

Electing Hillary forces the GOP to defend their positions, electing Trump allows the Leftist GOP to get away with even more cronyism and corporate welfare, and telling the Conservative to fuck off.
So fuck the GOP, they do not deserve our support!!!

Quote from: Solar on October 29, 2016, 07:16:07 AM
For someone that usually sees through the BS, you certainly display your addiction to the Chump Koolaid.
All of what you mention is not the responsibility of POTUS, rather Congress, so these issues are moot regardless of who gets elected.

Electing Hillary forces the GOP to defend their positions, electing Trump allows the Leftist GOP to get away with even more cronyism and corporate welfare, and telling the Conservative to fuck off.
So fuck the GOP, they do not deserve our support!!!

You are wrong about the influence of the presidency on those issues.  First and foremost, while congress, indeed, writes the laws, the president has the authority to veto them. So when it comes to matters such as repealing O-care, it does indeed matter who occupies the WH.  Second, it is the job of the president to ENFORCE the laws, and Obama has made a strong argument demonstrating what happens when the executive branch chooses to enforce only that with which the president agrees. So, again, it matters a WHOLE BUNCH who is in the WH.  Third, as Obama has been so prevalent in demonstrating, the use of executive orders and fiat regulatory authority through the various federal departments and agencies also has a profound impact. The current war on coal - a war which has DEVASTATED an entire Montana community and has negatively affected many others - has been waged entirely through the EPA. Congress had nothing to do with it, yet thousands working in the coal industry are out of jobs, and tens of thousands more whose living depended on supporting the coal industry are also out of work (and that's just Montana!). So, yet a third time, it DOES make a HUGE difference if we somehow manage to keep Clinton out of the president's chair. Ditto on the other three issues that Cruz mentions as being of significant concern if CLinton becomes president.

We KNOW FOR CERTAIN Clinton, as President, will continue the war on fossil fuels.  We KNOW FOR CERTAIN that she will wage a full blown war on the Bill of Rights.  We KNOW FOR CERTAIN she will stack the supreme court - as well as all other federal courts - with extreme leftist "The Constitution says what we want it to mean," "The federal government has the authority to do whatever it 'needs to do'" justices. We KNOW FOR CERTAIN she will further the intent of the ACA until it damages the health industry so badly it is insupportable, and use those engineered conditions as an excuse to go full blown socialist in our health care industry. WE also know FOR CERTAIN Clinton will continue with the policies and executive orders through the USCIS that literally invites millions to break our immigration laws - and in the process inundate our economy. WE know she will use the executive authority over the DHS to invite more and more Islamist "refugees" and spread them throughout the country, with no process for assuring they are not ISIS sympathizers intent on harm.

With Trump, we STRONGLY SUSPECT that he MIGHT also engage is SOME of the above pro nanny-state, anti-liberty policies.

Yes, they are both establishment. But that does not mean there are zero differences. And with the current condition of the Republic, even minor differences can mean the final difference between having another chance to vote in real change later, or be reduced to other means forced on those who founded the republic.

Quote from: zewazir on October 29, 2016, 11:31:19 AM
You are wrong about the influence of the presidency on those issues.  First and foremost, while congress, indeed, writes the laws, the president has the authority to veto them. So when it comes to matters such as repealing O-care, it does indeed matter who occupies the

Bull, Congress holds the purse, they decide what gets funding!

Second, it is the job of the president to ENFORCE the laws, and Obama has made a strong argument demonstrating what happens when the executive branch chooses to enforce only that with which the president agrees. So, again, it matters a WHOLE BUNCH who is in the WH. 
Geeez, again, Wrong!!! Congress has the power to Impeach, so if the President doesn't uphold his oath of Office, they can kick his ass to the curb.
It's for this reason I say it matters not who inherits the office, Congress has proven they have gone leftist.

QuoteThird, as Obama has been so prevalent in demonstrating, the use of executive orders and fiat regulatory authority through the various federal departments and agencies also has a profound impact. The current war on coal - a war which has DEVASTATED an entire Montana community and has negatively affected many others - has been waged entirely through the EPA. Congress had nothing to do with it, yet thousands working in the coal industry are out of jobs, and tens of thousands more whose living depended on supporting the coal industry are also out of work (and that's just Montana!). So, yet a third time, it DOES make a HUGE difference if we somehow manage to keep Clinton out of the president's chair. Ditto on the other three issues that Cruz mentions as being of significant concern if CLinton becomes president.

We KNOW FOR CERTAIN Clinton, as President, will continue the war on fossil fuels.  We KNOW FOR CERTAIN that she will wage a full blown war on the Bill of Rights.  We KNOW FOR CERTAIN she will stack the supreme court - as well as all other federal courts - with extreme leftist "The Constitution says what we want it to mean," "The federal government has the authority to do whatever it 'needs to do'" justices. We KNOW FOR CERTAIN she will further the intent of the ACA until it damages the health industry so badly it is insupportable, and use those engineered conditions as an excuse to go full blown socialist in our health care industry. WE also know FOR CERTAIN Clinton will continue with the policies and executive orders through the USCIS that literally invites millions to break our immigration laws - and in the process inundate our economy. WE know she will use the executive authority over the DHS to invite more and more Islamist "refugees" and spread them throughout the country, with no process for assuring they are not ISIS sympathizers intent on harm.

We gave the GOP both Houses and what good did it do?
Yes, it is in their power to stop the corruption, reign in the EPA, an entity that can write policy, but not law as they have been doing under the Marxist.
Congress has made itself irrelevant.

QuoteWith Trump, we STRONGLY SUSPECT that he MIGHT also engage is SOME of the above pro nanny-state, anti-liberty policies.

Yes, they are both establishment. But that does not mean there are zero differences. And with the current condition of the Republic, even minor differences can mean the final difference between having another chance to vote in real change later, or be reduced to other means forced on those who founded the republic.

If you look at the last two continuing Resolutions, Omnibus Bills, you'll see the GOP gave the Dims everything and more than they asked for, increasing the debt more than they did when Bush, (The POTUS that never vetoed one Bill) was in office.
Point is, it matters not who sits in the WH, the GOP have proven they no longer work for the American people even when they control both Houses.
So giving them full control (Three Houses) is a recipe for disaster.

Quote from: Solar on October 29, 2016, 12:29:25 PM
Bull, Congress holds the purse, they decide what gets funding!

Second, it is the job of the president to ENFORCE the laws, and Obama has made a strong argument demonstrating what happens when the executive branch chooses to enforce only that with which the president agrees. So, again, it matters a WHOLE BUNCH who is in the WH. 
Geeez, again, Wrong!!! Congress has the power to Impeach, so if the President doesn't uphold his oath of Office, they can kick his ass to the curb.
It's for this reason I say it matters not who inherits the office, Congress has proven they have gone leftist.
We gave the GOP both Houses and what good did it do?
Yes, it is in their power to stop the corruption, reign in the EPA, an entity that can write policy, but not law as they have been doing under the Marxist.
Congress has made itself irrelevant.
If you look at the last two continuing Resolutions, Omnibus Bills, you'll see the GOP gave the Dims everything and more than they asked for, increasing the debt more than they did when Bush, (The POTUS that never vetoed one Bill) was in office.
Point is, it matters not who sits in the WH, the GOP have proven they no longer work for the American people even when they control both Houses.
So giving them full control (Three Houses) is a recipe for disaster.

At anytime they could try and override the president veto.

Quote from: Solar on October 29, 2016, 12:29:25 PM
Bull, Congress holds the purse, they decide what gets funding!

IF the situation is controlled by funding. OTOH, agency regulations are being rewritten, without congress - a usurpation of power which has been ongoing for a long time which has placed too much power in the hands of the executive branch. 

Quote from: Solar on October 29, 2016, 12:29:25 PM
Geeez, again, Wrong!!! Congress has the power to Impeach, so if the President doesn't uphold his oath of Office, they can kick his ass to the curb.

Congress cannot impeach just because they disagree with the way the president is (or is not) running the executive branch. That is about as ignorant a statement I have seen.

Quote from: Solar on October 29, 2016, 12:29:25 PM
We gave the GOP both Houses and what good did it do?
Yes, it is in their power to stop the corruption, reign in the EPA, an entity that can write policy, but not law as they have been doing under the Marxist.
Congress has made itself irrelevant.

The authority being used to allow un-elected bureaucrats to issue regulations which have the impact of law is, indeed, a usurpation of power. And the fact that laws are written which grants such authority to the agencies or departments in question results in what is essentially an abdication of authority by congress. Such has been going on for many decades. However, these facts simply support the statement that who resides in the WH makes more of a difference than you are willing to admit. YES, Congress SHOULD be reigning in the bureaucracies of the executive branch. That does not change the FACT that in the current situation, the president DOES wield powers which, as Ted Cruz has stated, need to be kept out of Clinton's hands using any reasonable means available to us.

Quote from: Solar on October 29, 2016, 12:29:25 PM
If you look at the last two continuing Resolutions, Omnibus Bills, you'll see the GOP gave the Dims everything and more than they asked for, increasing the debt more than they did when Bush, (The POTUS that never vetoed one Bill) was in office.
Point is, it matters not who sits in the WH, the GOP have proven they no longer work for the American people even when they control both Houses.
So giving them full control (Three Houses) is a recipe for disaster.

So your answer is to allow a full blown admitted Marxist in the Oval Office because your mad at the way the establishment kicked our feet out from under us? (Which I warned would happen a long time ago, but no one wanted to listen.)

Good plan! We all know that Trump is little more than a demoncrap plant. The ENTIRE DESIGN of corrupting the primaries was to put up about the only person on the entire planet who could LOSE to Clinton. Putting Trump up as the republican nominee has one and only one purpose: put Clinton in office. This is NOT like the last two elections, where the establishment really did not care who won, since they owned them both. This time they want/need Clinton, because she is the only one corrupt enough to be willing to take the destruction of the Republic to the next level. And, like as their entire push to divide us along racial lines, their method to get what they want is DIVIDE AND CONQUER.

And you are helping them with that goal. Your answer is to GIVE THEM WHAT THEY WANT, and call it "principle!" "Gee, Mr. Establishment System, if you want Clinton in office that badly, well, just go ahead! I'll help divide your opposition vote JUST AS YOU WANT ME TO DO, so you can get what you want."

Such a well thought out plan you have.