Quote from: Jonathan on July 14, 2016, 12:21:02 PM
I see that you raised you hand there in the back to ask a question. I like the participation level of this class.

Answer:  The function of "a" Business is to produce wealth. The function of "business" is to generate win/win monetary transactions.   

Good, we're getting somewhere. So essentially the business needs a product the consumer is willing to pay for, so as to generate profit so it can grow and compete with other entities.

Govt on the other hand, creates nothing, it's very existence is that of a leach, it writes laws dictating the behavior of others, is dictatorial in that it does not allow for competition.
In essence, it's the antithesis of business.

Class is dismissed.

Quote from: Solar on July 14, 2016, 12:12:27 PM

Policy:
A plan of action adopted by an individual or social group
A line of argument rationalizing the course of action
A contract
Law:
The collection of rules imposed by authority
A rule or body of rules of conduct inherent in human nature and essential to or binding upon human society
The force of policemen and officers
jurisprudence: The collection of rules imposed by authority

Math class!
Law is a subset of Policy.

As ideas evolve they move through the dialectic of human discourse that eventually solidify into paradigms upon which society forms a culture. Within a given social culture there are unspoken rules; like being polite. But as vagueness is the enemy of clarity, words are narrowed down to a minimum that eventuate into Law that dictate a common behavior of the people living within that culture (governmental region).

In our case, we live in the United States of America. We are a culture that lives by the Rule of Law, while respecting different ideas.

Our Founding Fathers understood the necessity to limit the power of government while protecting that same government from fluctuating ideas asserted by the people who run the government. Thusly, the Federal Government is structured around a corporate business model.

The Legislative Branch is the Board of Directors
The Executive Branch is the paid management; like CEO, COO, CFO, etc.
The Judicial Branch is the Human Resource Department of the Corporation.

So, if an employee violates corporate policy, they may be fired according to the Corporate Regulations; like inside trading and stuff.
Accordingly, if a citizen breaks the law, like Hillary did in mishandling government property (emails), that government employee is held accountable to government policy.

The language of Law is more narrowed than the verbiage of Policy. However, Policy serves the same purpose as Law, to give instruction as to proper behavior given the circumstances.

That's why we should all vote for Trump.
Trump is a wizard at managing Corporations.
Vote for Trump.   

Quote from: Solar on July 14, 2016, 11:49:25 AM
You actually think you have a say in the matter?
The thing about Free Speech, is nothing in the First that says we have to listen to your nonsense.
I'll let the forum decide just how long your stench is allowed to linger.

QuoteI'll let the forum decide just how long your stench is allowed to linger.

Quote from: Jonathan on July 14, 2016, 12:56:55 PM
Math class!
Law is a subset of Policy.

As ideas evolve they move through the dialectic of human discourse that eventually solidify into paradigms upon which society forms a culture. Within a given social culture there are unspoken rules; like being polite. But as vagueness is the enemy of clarity, words are narrowed down to a minimum that eventuate into Law that dictate a common behavior of the people living within that culture (governmental region).

In our case, we live in the United States of America. We are a culture that lives by the Rule of Law, while respecting different ideas.

Our Founding Fathers understood the necessity to limit the power of government while protecting that same government from fluctuating ideas asserted by the people who run the government. Thusly, the Federal Government is structured around a corporate business model.

The Legislative Branch is the Board of Directors
The Executive Branch is the paid management; like CEO, COO, CFO, etc.
The Judicial Branch is the Human Resource Department of the Corporation.

So, if an employee violates corporate policy, they may be fired according to the Corporate Regulations; like inside trading and stuff.
Accordingly, if a citizen breaks the law, like Hillary did in mishandling government property (emails), that government employee is held accountable to government policy.

The language of Law is more narrowed than the verbiage of Policy. However, Policy serves the same purpose as Law, to give instruction as to proper behavior given the circumstances.

Nope, without an actual law backing policy, it has no more power than a suggestion, no penalty, in fact, policy has to work within existing "LAW", it cannot write policy usurping US law.

Give it a rest son, you made a complete ass of yourself, and now you're bordering on certifiable lunacy, you bring nothing to the forum, claimed some crazy conspiracy that I lured you here just to expose your insanity, and now, without any help from anyone, you've managed to remove all doubt of your sanity.
I see no reason to keep you around, unless you can somehow convince the forum otherwise.

Quote from: Solar on July 14, 2016, 12:30:51 PM
So essentially the business needs a product the consumer is willing to pay for, so as to generate profit so it can grow and compete with other entities. Class is dismissed.

Now, now, I know you want to run off to recess right now. Be patient my Solar grasshopper. You can stretch your legs in a bit. But wear your safety helmet when you go out there. Those monkey bars can get confusingly tricky for you.

Business exists only if it provides a consumable product, like an opera singer performing for rich people at the concert hall. Or the toilet paper and fragrance spray you use in your bathroom.

Many non-profit corporations exist without generating a profit but they certainly compete with other entities for the donated dollar.

And my student, you fail to recognize that your government does produce consumables for which you dearly pay.

Not only is your Country not being Invaded, oh wait, that's a breach of Contract on the part of the United States of America to protect States from Invasion. So that consumable product (service) is not apropos.

Okay, roads! The Interstate Highway system was built in the 50's for your free use and access to other regions of the Country. To get your toilet paper to you. That's a product worthy of purchase. Transportation, by the way, is the forth basic need. [food, shelter, clothing, and transportation].

The United States Patent and Trademark Office is another valuable consumable that protects inventors from copy cats.

But this, my student, is the essence of Trump's skill and expertise.

Trump's business sense will prove very useful in determining which government cost (agency) is really producing a good product that is consumable and helpful. A product that is worth of the taxpayers' dollars.

The Veteran's Administration is another example. I hear, however, that that department is performing poorly.

Coffee break for the teachers. Go out and play, now. Good boy.   

Quote from: Jonathan on July 14, 2016, 01:27:05 PM
Now, now, I know you want to run off to recess right now. Be patient my Solar grasshopper. You can stretch your legs in a bit. But wear your safety helmet when you go out there. Those monkey bars can get confusingly tricky for you.

Business exists only if it provides a consumable product, like an opera singer performing for rich people at the concert hall. Or the toilet paper and fragrance spray you use in your bathroom.

Many non-profit corporations exist without generating a profit but they certainly compete with other entities for the donated dollar.

And my student, you fail to recognize that your government does produce consumables for which you dearly pay.

Not only is your Country not being Invaded, oh wait, that's a breach of Contract on the part of the United States of America to protect States from Invasion. So that consumable product (service) is not apropos.

Okay, roads! The Interstate Highway system was built in the 50's for your free use and access to other regions of the Country. To get your toilet paper to you. That's a product worthy of purchase. Transportation, by the way, is the forth basic need. [food, shelter, clothing, and transportation].

The United States Patent and Trademark Office is another valuable consumable that protects inventors from copy cats.

But this, my student, is the essence of Trump's skill and expertise.

Trump's business sense will prove very useful in determining which government cost (agency) is really producing a good product that is consumable and helpful. A product that is worth of the taxpayers' dollars.

The Veteran's Administration is another example. I hear, however, that that department is performing poorly.

Coffee break for the teachers. Go out and play, now. Good boy.   

Someone is wearing diapers on economics but it's not Solar. Do you even understand the definition of public goods and private goods or why they are discussed as entirely different aspects of the total output of the economy? Managing or administrating infrastructure etc., is not the same thing as creating it. Tax dollars (derived from the private sector exclusively) create infrastructure - not government. (rolls eyes)  Awaiting your substantive response (save the patronizing thinly-veiled insults - using that technique of writing makes you look weak). I'm just trying to establish whether you are as ignorant as you appear (which would explain why you attempt to disguise it with excessive verbiage) or if there is some hope of salvaging you from your own self-adoring lunacy.

The fact that Trump advocates increasing tariffs as the centerpiece of his domestic economic policy speaks volumes about his lack of wisdom about trade policy  (Hill-O-Lies is worse, but at least she tacitly admits to being a Fabian Marxist socialist, but that is beside the point - we're talking about Trump) whereas Trump is talking like someone who has never even heard of the Great Depression or knows anything about how Hoover's "business experience" did nothing to prevent him from making one catastrophic blunder after another in managing the national economy  in the post-1929 crash environment.

Quote from: Solar on July 14, 2016, 01:05:26 PM
without an actual law backing policy, it has no more power than a suggestion

That was a quick recess. Dust your dirty pants and helmet off. I heard you fell out of the swing. Thank goodness your helmet strap was snapped.

Exactly right, there is no law that requires a person to be polite. Rude people are free to be expressive. Thus the unspoken rule (to be Polite) is less enforceable than the rule to not offensively touch another or to not let your shivering, Chihuahua dog out of the fenced yard to bite passer-byers.

A Policy is less enforceable than a Law. Thus, all Law is a subset within the whole set of Policy. Only the Government may prosecute a broke Law. Concurrently, a business organization may enforce their internal policies.

All organizations create Policy. Some organizations are actually Governments.

Our Founding Fathers organized our government under the general policy (truth) that all men are created equal. And therefore, in order to create a more perfect Union, we do ordain and establish this Constitution of the United States of America, reserving to the States respectively, or to the people, the powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States.

I believe that Trump will be an excellent CEO of the United States of America.   

Quote from: Late-For-Lunch on July 14, 2016, 01:38:58 PM
Do you even understand the definition of public goods and private goods or why they are discussed as entirely different aspects of the total output of the economy?

No I do not know the individual definitions of a public or private good.

I do understand that all goods must be purchased. And that each good must provide a benefit to the consumer.

The difference between public and private is clear to me.

The meaning of Private entitles the owner to exclude all others and therefore to set a fair market value for a produced good.
The meaning of Public denotes that tax dollars paid for the production or care of the good.

My thinking is that the same business principles (cost of production) apply to either a public good or a private good.

I know that President Hoover preceded President Roosevelt and that both had different approaches toward the economy.

Are you suggesting that Trump will follow the same business principles that Hoover did (or didn't) apply during his short, 4-year term (1929-1933)? Or are you suggesting that we are headed toward another depression as was created by the Roaring Twenties?   

Quote from: Late-For-Lunch on July 14, 2016, 01:38:58 PM
The fact that Trump advocates increasing tariffs as the centerpiece of his domestic economic policy speaks volumes about his lack of wisdom about trade policy

(emphasis added)

Please substantiate your asserted fact: advocating increased tariffs.

I have not heard of any increased tariffs promoted by the Trump camp.

I have heard that the "deals" we have are out of balance; disfavoring American exceptionalism. Trump advocates re-negotiating the trade agreements.

The centerpieces of our domestic economic policy are as follows:

The Internal Revenue Service (IRS) sets tax rates.
The Federal Reserve System (FED) sets the Value of the Dollar.
The Treaties, signed by the President, set the tone of international trade between businesses operating within the various countries.
     

Johnny boy, you came to a conservative site to attempt to push your liberal agenda. It happens all the time and people here have seen it over and over. Liberalism is a mental disorder. Its an illness with no cure. Your king and savior the donald is a flaming liberal who will continue the destructive liberal policies that this illegal administration has put in place. Your continuous spouting to vote for him shows your youth and vulnerability. Trump has zero substance and was put in this position by liberals and other uninformed idiots who are all just as clueless. Electing him will nullify the GOP as we know it. Fortunately, he doesnt have the support to win. Now, how about going back to your daily liberal websites for some hugs and kisses and leave the conservatives alone. Your butt should be beet red by now anyhow.

Quote from: Jonathan on July 14, 2016, 02:25:43 PM
(emphasis added)

Please substantiate your asserted fact: advocating increased tariffs.

I have not heard of any increased tariffs promoted by the Trump camp.

I have heard that the "deals" we have are out of balance; disfavoring American exceptionalism. Trump advocates re-negotiating the trade agreements.

The centerpieces of our domestic economic policy are as follows:

The Internal Revenue Service (IRS) sets tax rates.
The Federal Reserve System (FED) sets the Value of the Dollar.
The Treaties, signed by the President, set the tone of international trade between businesses operating within the various countries.
     

You might want to read this
http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2016/01/07/donald-trump-says-he-favors-big-tariffs-on-chinese-exports/?_r=0
I understand you back trump, what you do not understand, the trump you back is not the trump you will get. Too bad you cannot learn from this forum, facts have been given to you free of charge which is a hell of a lot better than anything you will get from the orange buffoon. Couple of other items, congress sets the tax rate, the free market system sets the value of the dollar, and the senate must ratify the treaties. So far I have to say you need to read more and post less because you bring nothing.

Quote from: Jonathan on July 14, 2016, 01:27:05 PM
Now, now, I know you want to run off to recess right now. Be patient my Solar grasshopper. You can stretch your legs in a bit. But wear your safety helmet when you go out there. Those monkey bars can get confusingly tricky for you.

Business exists only if it provides a consumable product, like an opera singer performing for rich people at the concert hall. Or the toilet paper and fragrance spray you use in your bathroom.

Many non-profit corporations exist without generating a profit but they certainly compete with other entities for the donated dollar.

And my student, you fail to recognize that your government does produce consumables for which you dearly pay.

Not only is your Country not being Invaded, oh wait, that's a breach of Contract on the part of the United States of America to protect States from Invasion. So that consumable product (service) is not apropos.

Okay, roads! The Interstate Highway system was built in the 50's for your free use and access to other regions of the Country. To get your toilet paper to you. That's a product worthy of purchase. Transportation, by the way, is the forth basic need. [food, shelter, clothing, and transportation].

The United States Patent and Trademark Office is another valuable consumable that protects inventors from copy cats.

But this, my student, is the essence of Trump's skill and expertise.

Trump's business sense will prove very useful in determining which government cost (agency) is really producing a good product that is consumable and helpful. A product that is worth of the taxpayers' dollars.

The Veteran's Administration is another example. I hear, however, that that department is performing poorly.

Coffee break for the teachers. Go out and play, now. Good boy.   

Wow, you're the dumbest fuck we've had come through here in a long time.
Govt provides regulation, it builds nothing idiot! The highway system you claim as a business entity, was unconstitutional as Hell, but as a lib, you'd never understand that.
The only thing the govt was charged with, was the security of the nation, an agreement of uniformity by the States.
Everything not charged to the Fed, was strictly reserved to the states. Meaning everything the govt does today beyond security is unconstitutional!
As a disabled Vet, I assure you, the VA should be dissolved and ALL services should be controlled by the private sector.
So in essence, what Trump will do is expand the behemoth that is govt, to ranks only a dictator would admire.

Your lib bull shit is getting old, the condescension of a child on an adult forum was entertaining the first couple of times, but now it's old, like that of a "Got yer nose" joke.

I see no reason to keep your commie ass around, you tried and failed, but your failure is not a total loss, the forum is a teaching forum, and exposing your stupidity for other libs to learn from is a good thing, and yes, not all libs are as stupid as you, not all of them are stupid enough to alter the Bill of Rights, that's reserved for a spetchal kind of stoopid.

So say good night little troll, though I'll allow you the courtesy of reading what others think of you.

Quote from: Jonathan on July 14, 2016, 02:08:51 PM
No I do not know the individual definitions of a public or private good.

I do understand that all goods must be purchased. And that each good must provide a benefit to the consumer.

The difference between public and private is clear to me.

The meaning of Private entitles the owner to exclude all others and therefore to set a fair market value for a produced good.
The meaning of Public denotes that tax dollars paid for the production or care of the good.

My thinking is that the same business principles (cost of production) apply to either a public good or a private good.

I know that President Hoover preceded President Roosevelt and that both had different approaches toward the economy.

Are you suggesting that Trump will follow the same business principles that Hoover did (or didn't) apply during his short, 4-year term (1929-1933)? Or are you suggesting that we are headed toward another depression as was created by the Roaring Twenties?   

Aww, just saw this nonsense after I banned your dumb ass. But I know you're reading it son.
If you had any sense at all, you'd know we are experiencing the worst depression in US history.
The only difference this time, is the Fed just keeps printing money, adding to the unfunded debt.
The upside?
I'll be gone when the debt comes due, but you'll be the one waiting in a soup line because the dollar finally lost worldwide support and collapsed.
Yeah, and as an old man, your only sustenance will come from the govt you wanted to grow. Picture that, you with a walker, or even a wheelchair waiting in an never ending line with other poor, stupid libs that thought growing govt was such a wonderful idea, that gutting the Bill of Rights was the work of a genius.

Quote from: Solar on July 14, 2016, 03:33:51 PM
Aww, just saw this nonsense after I banned your dumb ass. But I know you're reading it son.
If you had any sense at all, you'd know we are experiencing the worst depression in US history.
The only difference this time, is the Fed just keeps printing money, adding to the unfunded debt.
The upside?
I'll be gone when the debt comes due, but you'll be the one waiting in a soup line because the dollar finally lost worldwide support and collapsed.
Yeah, and as an old man, your only sustenance will come from the govt you wanted to grow. Picture that, you with a walker, or even a wheelchair waiting in an never ending line with other poor, stupid libs that thought growing govt was such a wonderful idea, that gutting the Bill of Rights was the work of a genius.

So the "teacher" has left the room, with a boot up his ass.