Quote from: Solar on January 03, 2016, 12:46:22 PM
Not only does Cruaz support a flat tax, he's a proponent of eliminating the IRS and killing Commiecare.
Trump on the other hand thinks govt can fix both. Does that sound like a Conservative stance?

'm not going to waste time "defending" Trump. I'm just not going to bash him. I was/am supporting Cruz when everyone else was rallying around Rand. I'm not going to bash Rand either. He's just not my choice.

Having said that, there ARE reasons I could support Trump if he becomes the nominee. Primarily over the immigration issue. This is not just about immigration. It includes terrorism and jobs. Stop the invasion and most of our problems will solve themselves.

As for Cruz and the flat tax, I support him because of that (among MANY other reasons). But he has exemptions. Not everyone pays "their fair share." EVERYONE SHOULD PAY (although, on principle, I am totally against an income tax.

As long as the poor don't pay, we still have a "progressive" income tax -- just flat for those who do pay. Really not much different from Trump's.

Quote from: Solar on January 03, 2016, 10:02:14 AM
Appear liberal? He is a lib, open your eyes!

A Liberal that wants to:

-Build a fence (one that was promised to us durng W's first term in office, but never built) to stop illegal immigration.

-Stated he would stop all Muslim immigration (something NONE of the other Republican candidates said they'd do).

-Is strongly against Common Core (You know, Jeb Bush's pet project!)

-Like Reagan before him wants to abolish the Department of Education.

-Promotes School Choice.

-Wants to minimize the EPA.

-Speaks out against the TPP, something most Republicans failed to do!

-Says Gun Free Zones are nothing less that shooting galleries for sickos!

-Strong on U.S. Military - says 3% of GNP for military is way to low!

-Against the minimum wage!

-Favors repealing the Estate Tax (Death tax)

http://www.ontheissues.org/Donald_Trump.htm

In what universe are these the positions of a "Liberal"?

They say that democrats in the midwest are changing parties to vote for Trump!

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/01/03/trump-boosted-midwest-democratic-party-switchers-racism-sneers-ny-times/

I'm not sure I buy this story. 

Quote from: carlb on January 03, 2016, 03:34:02 PM
'm not going to waste time "defending" Trump. I'm just not going to bash him.

Highlighting his liberalism isn't bashing him.  It's just showing how stupid Trump supporters are who call themselves "conservative".  It's a joke.

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I was/am supporting Cruz when everyone else was rallying around Rand. I'm not going to bash Rand either. He's just not my choice.

If Cruz starts behaving like Rand, then he would be fair game too.  Cruz doesn't get a pass. 

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Having said that, there ARE reasons I could support Trump if he becomes the nominee. Primarily over the immigration issue.

Cruz is proven to be stronger on illegal immigration, just by the very fact he actually has a history of fighting against.  Trump talks a lot, and maybe he's serious or maybe he's not.  Who knows.  He has flipped too much for me to take him seriously on any issue.  Cruz, meanwhile, hasn't.

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This is not just about immigration. It includes terrorism and jobs. Stop the invasion and most of our problems will solve themselves.

That's why I support Cruz far beyond Trump.

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As for Cruz and the flat tax, I support him because of that (among MANY other reasons). But he has exemptions. Not everyone pays "their fair share." EVERYONE SHOULD PAY (although, on principle, I am totally against an income tax.

As long as the poor don't pay, we still have a "progressive" income tax -- just flat for those who do pay. Really not much different from Trump's.

Trump will compromise everything under the Sun.  It's so odd that you want to deny that.

Quote from: Voldemort on January 03, 2016, 03:47:37 PM
A Liberal that wants to:

-Build a fence (one that was promised to us durng W's first term in office, but never built) to stop illegal immigration.

You're correct.  That's why President Cruz is going to task him with doing it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ke9bHT4f0zw

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-Stated he would stop all Muslim immigration (something NONE of the other Republican candidates said they'd do).

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/12/07/sens-cruz-paul-call-end-muslim-immigration-rubio-ignores-issue/

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-Is strongly against Common Core (You know, Jeb Bush's pet project!)

Everyone is.

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-Like Reagan before him wants to abolish the Department of Education.

http://conservativetribune.com/trump-reveals-first-cut/

Quote"I may cut Department of Education," Trump said.

He sounds very committed to it.

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-Promotes School Choice.

Even some libs do.  Way for him to go on a limb.

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-Wants to minimize the EPA.

Wow!  Oh, wait, so does everyone else.

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-Speaks out against the TPP, something most Republicans failed to do!

Spoke out?  He didn't even know what it is.  Rand Paul had to correct him:

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/donald-trump-not-exactly-an-expert-on-tpp/article/2576099

Quote"Hey, Gerard?" Paul interjected. "We might want to point out that China's not part of this deal." The crowed roared with laughter as Trump shrunk before their eyes.

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-Says Gun Free Zones are nothing less that shooting galleries for sickos!

He's for "assault weapons" ban, and long waiting periods.

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-Strong on U.S. Military - says 3% of GNP for military is way to low!

Wow.  A strong US Military.  He says all the right things.

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-Against the minimum wage!

No he's not:

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-08-20/trump-says-low-minimum-wage-not-a-bad-thing-?cmpid=yhoo

Quote"Having a low minimum wage is not a bad thing for this country," says billionaire Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump in phone interview on MSNBC.

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-Favors repealing the Estate Tax (Death tax)

http://www.ontheissues.org/Donald_Trump.htm

In what universe are these the positions of a "Liberal"?

In what universe is he not?

Quote from: carlb on January 03, 2016, 03:34:02 PM
'm not going to waste time "defending" Trump. I'm just not going to bash him. I was/am supporting Cruz when everyone else was rallying around Rand. I'm not going to bash Rand either. He's just not my choice.

How is exposing the lib and his past, to be considered bashing?

QuoteHaving said that, there ARE reasons I could support Trump if he becomes the nominee. Primarily over the immigration issue. This is not just about immigration. It includes terrorism and jobs. Stop the invasion and most of our problems will solve themselves.

So you're a one issue voter? And how do you know he will do as he claims? We have solid proof that he easily flip flops on any given issue.

QuoteAs for Cruz and the flat tax, I support him because of that (among MANY other reasons). But he has exemptions. Not everyone pays "their fair share." EVERYONE SHOULD PAY (although, on principle, I am totally against an income tax.

As long as the poor don't pay, we still have a "progressive" income tax -- just flat for those who do pay. Really not much different from Trump's.

First off, Trump want to fix the IRS, Cruz wants to eliminate it. Trump once proposed a progressive tax, meaning he is for growing govt, not cutting taxes.
Cruz plan shrinks govt and simplifies the tax system. I'd say that's a great start.

Quote from: Voldemort on January 03, 2016, 03:47:37 PM
A Liberal that wants to:

-Build a fence (one that was promised to us durng W's first term in office, but never built) to stop illegal immigration.

-Stated he would stop all Muslim immigration (something NONE of the other Republican candidates said they'd do).

-Is strongly against Common Core (You know, Jeb Bush's pet project!)

-Like Reagan before him wants to abolish the Department of Education.

-Promotes School Choice.

-Wants to minimize the EPA.

-Speaks out against the TPP, something most Republicans failed to do!

-Says Gun Free Zones are nothing less that shooting galleries for sickos!

-Strong on U.S. Military - says 3% of GNP for military is way to low!

-Against the minimum wage!

-Favors repealing the Estate Tax (Death tax)

http://www.ontheissues.org/Donald_Trump.htm

In what universe are these the positions of a "Liberal"?

Trump was at one time, but now flipped on many of these issues. But now when he says he's for it, you believe him why?

Quote from: Solar on January 03, 2016, 06:15:02 PM
Trump was at one time, but now flipped on many of these issues. But now when he says he's for it, you believe him why?

I look at Trump as a "moderate". He is the ultimate copy of what we used to call a "Rockefeller Republican". He has some conservative leanings, but is far from a true conservative. He is a self professed master of the deal. That means working across the aisle. That never works out for republicans. Is he preferable to Hillary? In my view, yes. However, he is no Ted Cruz and that is what we are working for.

Quote from: supsalemgr on January 04, 2016, 04:51:40 AM
I look at Trump as a "moderate". He is the ultimate copy of what we used to call a "Rockefeller Republican". He has some conservative leanings, but is far from a true conservative. He is a self professed master of the deal. That means working across the aisle. That never works out for republicans. Is he preferable to Hillary? In my view, yes. However, he is no Ted Cruz and that is what we are working for.

I think you have hit on something here. Trump is what one might refer to as "The Radical Middle".

BTW the only reason working across the aisle never works for Republicans, is because, let's face it, Republicans are pussies! I think if the Democrats tried that crap with Trump, they'd get their asses handed to them!

Quote from: Voldemort on January 04, 2016, 06:45:21 AM
I think you have hit on something here. Trump is what one might refer to as "The Radical Middle".

BTW the only reason working across the aisle never works for Republicans, is because, let's face it, Republicans are pussies! I think if the Democrats tried that crap with Trump, they'd get their asses handed to them!

I used to believe they were a spineless lot, now I know for a fact, they're just another leg of the Dim party.

Quote from: kit saginaw on January 02, 2016, 11:49:16 PM
Then why aren't Cruz & Co. attacking him over some of these assertions? 

I won't start bashing Trump until he does.  The assertions have the look of flagrant egregiousness.  -Yet some haven't even been brought-up by the media in any of the Republican-debates.

Look how Mother Jones frames the assertion in the 'present tense'...  He's in favor of a ban on assault-weapons...  That was in 2000, before 9/11.  And they don't even bother to define 'assault weapon'.  To quote Trump:  To the Left, every gun is an assault-weapon.   

Here's his interview with Ammo Land from July 5th, as pro-gun a website that there is:

http://www.ammoland.com/2015/07/donald-trump-talks-gun-control-assault-weapons-gun-free-zones/#axzz3wA9CBy86

The NRA's site hasn't bashed him... because he and sons are lifetime members.

I can pick-apart all of Mother Jones' assertions and expose the hillary-cheerleading hypocrisy imbedded therein.  I also have plenty of verbal-ammo to use against Trump once Cruz begins unleashing broadsides.  Until then, I'm in defense against leftist-media mode.

I don't think Cruz needs to out-Trump Trump, simply because that's how Trump operates.  He's about to take Iowa while sticking to an adult, presidential style, while Trump runs around with Twitter like a maniac.

Quote from: taxed on January 04, 2016, 01:48:13 PM
I don't think Cruz needs to out-Trump Trump, simply because that's how Trump operates.  He's about to take Iowa while sticking to an adult, presidential style, while Trump runs around with Twitter like a maniac.

Even sex gets boring day in and day out if you never get a break from it, to the point of torture.
That's what's happening with Trump, the media saturates the news with the guy to the point of torture.
Can you say Trump Fatigue?