Quote from: taxed on August 29, 2015, 07:27:48 AM
So?  What is with this defeatist attitude?

He has a valid point. The Naturalization Acts stipulate that citizenship cannot be inherited by one whose father is not a citizen. So technically, neither Obama or Cruz should be citizens, so the upside is that any leftist trying to pursue the matter opens a can of worms that could result in the legal voidance of Obamas presidency.

Quote from: Ulsterking on August 30, 2015, 06:50:29 PM
He has a valid point. The Naturalization Acts stipulate that citizenship cannot be inherited by one whose father is not a citizen. Both parents must be naturalized. So technically, neither Obama or Cruz should be citizens, so the upside is that any leftist trying to pursue the matter opens a can of worms that could result in the legal voidance of Obamas presidency.

Congress added to the act in 1940 that the mother, an American citizen be included as equal to the father, where she gives birth abroad, automatically makes her child a citizen of the US.

Quote from: kroz on August 29, 2015, 07:58:08 AM
kj4adn,  I agree with you on Rubio.  He lost all credibility with the Gang of Eight.

But I am not with you on Dr. Carson.  During the Baltimore riots he praised the Mayor of Baltimore.      I couldn't believe my ears!  She is a real loser in my book!!
That definitely lowered my opinion of Dr. Carson!

Dr. Carson is a very smart man and has made alot of strides in his profession.  However, that profession is hardly politics and I just think he'd be overwhelmed with the differences he'd face.   It would be a whole new ballgame and he'd either get on with the program or be continually deadlocked, my guess being deadlocked on some of the major issues.  We've heard enough talk and heard about too many meetings and summits, even meeting to decide when the next big meeting would be where nothing would get decided.  We need a candidate(Cruz) who knows what is at stake and is not afraid he is going to pizz in someone's cornflakes to get the job done. 

Quote from: Solar on August 30, 2015, 06:57:59 PM
Congress added to the act in 1940 that the mother, an American citizen be included as equal to the father, where she gives birth abroad, automatically makes her child a citizen of the US.

Ah, it always bothered me to think that in the wake of womans suffrage, then civil rights legislation, that patriarchal primacy in naturalization would still stand. Ive been digging through the pile of immigration and naturalization acts between 1790 and 1990 trying to find something I missed. Never spotted that one.
Thanks.

Quote from: Ulsterking on August 30, 2015, 07:25:40 PM
Ah, it always bothered me to think that in the wake of womans suffrage, then civil rights legislation, that patriarchal primacy in naturalization would still stand. Ive been digging through the pile of immigration and naturalization acts between 1790 and 1990 trying to find something I missed. Never spotted that one.
Thanks.

I'll post the link if I can find it. We did an indepth on the law about 6 months back maybe 10.
But if you do a search for "Ted Cruz eligible under immigration law", or something along those lines, you might find it quicker than me, I'm about to eat.

Yes, it was quite the heated debate considering it was a lib that started the thread, if I remember correctly.

https://americansabroad.org/files/3013/3478/0295/18-04-2012_1318_971.pdf
This may help!

Quote from: Ulsterking on August 30, 2015, 07:25:40 PM
Ah, it always bothered me to think that in the wake of womans suffrage, then civil rights legislation, that patriarchal primacy in naturalization would still stand. Ive been digging through the pile of immigration and naturalization acts between 1790 and 1990 trying to find something I missed. Never spotted that one.
Thanks.

LPL! Taxed just bumped it alive again.
Here's the link Taxed posted.
https://americansabroad.org/files/3013/3478/0295/18-04-2012_1318_971.pdf

Quote from: Solar on August 30, 2015, 07:41:38 PM
LPL! Taxed just bumped it alive again.
Here's the link Taxed posted.
https://americansabroad.org/files/3013/3478/0295/18-04-2012_1318_971.pdf

Beat you to it!
I have the link saved to favorites!

Quote from: Solar on August 29, 2015, 07:26:41 AM
Nope, the law is very clear on his legality being born to an American off American shores. He is still an American.

I certainly hope you are correct.

Quote from: Charliemyboy on August 31, 2015, 11:03:24 AM
I certainly hope you are correct.

There is no hope involved.

Quote from: Charliemyboy on August 31, 2015, 11:03:24 AM
I certainly hope you are correct.

I've been arguing Cruz's eligibility on another forum.  But it falls on deaf ears. 

If they don't want to hear it; they will not listen.  Their minds are closed.

They will only look at the Constitution and their own interpretation of it!!!   

Quote from: Charliemyboy on August 31, 2015, 11:03:24 AM
I certainly hope you are correct.

They are, and have happily posted links to the relavent acts that support Cruz's legal citizenship just a few posts ago. As a result of my own ignorance I must shamefully add.

Quote from: kroz on August 31, 2015, 11:06:58 AM
I've been arguing Cruz's eligibility on another forum. But it falls on deaf ears. 

If they don't want to hear it; they will not listen.  Their minds are closed.

They will only look at the Constitution and their own interpretation of it!!!   

Just tell them, all they have to do is look at b o.   His mother was a white U. S. citizens and he can not yet produce a legitimate birth certificate.   Yet he is a poor excuse for a president.

Quote from: Solar on August 29, 2015, 06:16:26 AM
After aligning with Trump, there's no telling with all the notoriety he'll be getting as more and more people become interested in what he has to say.
Both factions have purposely ignored him, LSM and Establishment know, the more people hear him speak, the more they want to hear from him.

Cruz is bad news for this nations enemies.

Cruz has the right-wing credentials and integrity Trump lacks but is working now to establish. But I really like that Trump is moving so hard to the right. But that also means he can move just as fast back to the left once elected, and that's something I fear because I love everything Trump is saying. Basically he says straight out "Yes I play quid-pro quo and give democrats Money so they will give me advantage in business deals and regulations etc" which is true and got to respect honesty like that from a wouldbepolitician, this is a corporatist economy so why not be corporatist and make a lot of Money like a business man. He called it cunning in his Lincoln Speech, and he is right about the trade deals With other countries, you have to be cunning and hard negotiator something America hasn't been for a long time and that's why everyone is laughing of the US. Free trade does not work if the other country is using slave labor, I know it is beneficial to get cheap shit in the long run but the short run it creates too much unemployment that is socially unacceptable and will cause backlash against capitalism which is why Milton Friedman had that part wrong. Free trade with slave socialist economies works economically but not politically/culturally.

And I also hope that the illegal immigrant murders of US citizens he have been exposed really has changed him to a real right-wing conservative as the truth will set you free. The change in stance from left to right may be sincere because he is now attacked by leftism as a whole and been exposed to the truth of everyday citizens suffering from illegal immigration and strangling regulation/taxes.

Cruz lacks the charisma and money of Trump but he has the integrity. I just think it sad Allan West sits this one out, I think he would crush everyone. Democrats would say he is a token black since they are racist but at least Black America would get a representation of the best of them and all America would get the president it deserves.

Quote from: Ulsterking on August 31, 2015, 11:16:48 AM
They are, and have happily posted links to the relavent acts that support Cruz's legal citizenship just a few posts ago. As a result of my own ignorance I must shamefully add.

Nah, fugid da boudit... no big.
If you hadn't, someone else would have questioned it as instead. And that's what makes this forum special, we're all about posting only facts.
It drives libs nuts.