Trump's not one of them. They all have their issues.

MY issues are illegal immigration and pro-life.

Here's who Trump really is:
http://louderwithcrowder.com/vetting-donald-trump-what-you-need-to-know/

Quote from: carlb on July 15, 2015, 06:01:00 PM
Here's who Trump really is:
http://louderwithcrowder.com/vetting-donald-trump-what-you-need-to-know/

Maybe we should post a few of these, but there will always be people in love with the theatrics, the truth is only  distraction.
Ah Hell, this one should wake a few up, maybe?

In 2008, Donald Trump supported Obama's campaign. This one is pretty self-explanatory, but here's a quote from 2011 for good measure. "I was his biggest cheerleader," "If you go back three years, I'm saying, 'Do a great job.' ... " "I thought he was a positive person, always,"

Great interview on The Kelly File about an hour ago.  Cruz spoke about the Americans jailed in Iran, the Planned Parenthood massacre, and his meeting today with Trump.

From what I got out of it, he and Trump sound like they're teaming-up with parallel strategies of not bad-mouthing each-other. 

Quote from: kit saginaw on July 15, 2015, 07:47:30 PM
Great interview on The Kelly File about an hour ago.  Cruz spoke about the Americans jailed in Iran, the Planned Parenthood massacre, and his meeting today with Trump.

From what I got out of it, he and Trump sound like they're teaming-up with parallel strategies of not bad-mouthing each-other.

For a young guy, Cruz appears to have the wisdom of an old man.

One of the things about Cruz is he is a policy wonk. That was what was great about Paul Ryan in 2012. The man knows his stuff. He knows the issues the numbers etc. He would have destroyed Biden in the debate if Biden hadn't shown up doing magic tricks and juggling chainsaws to avoid talking the issues. Unfortunately Ryan is a RINO. Cruz isn't a RINO  knows his stuff plus the Constitution inside and out.

He will eviscerate Hilary in the debates.

Thanks for that "Louder with Crowder" link, carib.  I am sending it to my mailing list.   

Quote from: Solar on July 15, 2015, 06:30:27 PM
Maybe we should post a few of these, but there will always be people in love with the theatrics, the truth is only  distraction.
Ah Hell, this one should wake a few up, maybe?

In 2008, Donald Trump supported Obama's campaign. This one is pretty self-explanatory, but here's a quote from 2011 for good measure. "I was his biggest cheerleader," "If you go back three years, I'm saying, 'Do a great job.' ... " "I thought he was a positive person, always,"

I don't know how a candidate could be trusted today when he didn't understand WHAT Obama was back in 2007. I knew. Why wouldn't Trump. The man I vote for should be AT LEAST as smart as I am. Trump doesn't measure up.

Quote from: carlb on July 16, 2015, 04:24:19 AM
I don't know how a candidate could be trusted today when he didn't understand WHAT Obama was back in 2007. I knew. Why wouldn't Trump. The man I vote for should be AT LEAST as smart as I am. Trump doesn't measure up.

My sentiment exactly!!

Trump is no dummy.... so you gotta believe he was willfully ignorant of Obama's history and agenda.

But Trump ALWAYS does what he believes is best for Trump Enterprises!  At best, it was negligence on the part of Trump to believe that Obama would be  good for this Country.  What was Trump smoking???   

I, on the other hand, think the Republicans are doing just the right thing with the mega primary field. We can look to our right and get a picture of what government could look like in a year or so. Or, we can look left, see Hillary, Warren, Sanders, and O'Malley. Take your pick.

My nagging concern is that the last large field I recall was when Carter was put in. At the time, analysts claimed Carter had the nomination all along. It was all a big show. And who allowed the Shah to fail and the Ayatollah to take power?  Jimmy Carter.  Again, Bill Clinton emerged from a pack.

The people who know favor Ted Cruz.  Trump strikes a chord with the people. They love him. I've heard dozens of arguments against Donald Trump, none of them substantial.  What, he had great hopes for Obama? That's one of the lamest ones yet. That feeds right into the leftist argument that the Tea Party unfairly judged Obama from the start.  Maybe that's true, who knows?

Quote from: red_dirt on July 16, 2015, 05:51:37 AM
I, on the other hand, think the Republicans are doing just the right thing with the mega primary field. We can look to our right and get a picture of what government could look like in a year or so. Or, we can look left, see Hillary, Warren, Sanders, and O'Malley. Take your pick.

My nagging concern is that the last large field I recall was when Carter was put in. At the time, analysts claimed Carter had the nomination all along. It was all a big show. And who allowed the Shah to fail and the Ayatollah to take power?  Jimmy Carter.  Again, Bill Clinton emerged from a pack.

The people who know favor Ted Cruz.  Trump strikes a chord with the people. They love him. I've heard dozens of arguments against Donald Trump, none of them substantial.  What, he had great hopes for Obama? That's one of the lamest ones yet. That feeds right into the leftist argument that the Tea Party unfairly judged Obama from the start.  Maybe that's true, who knows?

Red, how many times have you changed party affiliation in the last 30 years, changed your values or backed a Marxist for office?
I'm willing to bet you're like the rest of us, your values are solid, you'd never waver on them and the only way you'd change party's, is if they left you.

Well, Trump did, and that doesn't bother you in the least?

Quote from: Solar on July 16, 2015, 06:06:09 AM
Red, how many times have you changed party affiliation in the last 30 years, changed your values or backed a Marxist for office?
I'm willing to bet you're like the rest of us, your values are solid, you'd never waver on them and the only way you'd change party's, is if they left you.
Well, Trump did, and that doesn't bother you in the least?

Trump supporters are going to continue get beat up on. I saw the Rev. Wright tapes, that was enough for me. So I just kept my mouth shut until Obama announced he was going to build a mosque a ground zero. My point is, everyone deserves a chance until proven otherwise. Obama proved otherwise. In addition, I have the luxury in business to pick and choose my associates. Trump is really too big to be afforded that luxury. He has to deal with everybody.
I come from a NY family. I had the luxury to walk away from it. In my family, those who have not walked away from the region have  moved upstate.  So Trump, I see as someone who stayed and toughed it out. Tougher than I am, for sure. I'm listening to what he says. I'm watching him work. I think he is in there for a reason. It could very well be he is a total phoney in there to somehow enable Bush. I'd like to think otherwise.
As a Cruz supporter, it is only natural to suspect every move by the GOP is a trick aimed at defeating Cruz.  Trump and Cruz are becoming allies, as we are led.

Quote from: red_dirt on July 16, 2015, 06:17:05 AM
Trump supporters are going to continue get beat up on.

And rightly so. I'll be blunt, only a fool would vote for this guy. He's a valueless troll.

Quotehe was going to build a mosque a ground zero. My point is, everyone deserves a chance until proven otherwise. Obama proved otherwise. In addition, I have the luxury in business to pick and choose my associates. Trump is really too big to be afforded that luxury. He has to deal with everybody.
I come from a NY family. I had the luxury to walk away from it. In my family, those who have not walked away from the region have  moved upstate.  So Trump, I see as someone who stayed and toughed it out. Tougher than I am, for sure.

Trump is an Internationalist, and only stays in NY because his contacts are there, from the NY stock exchange, to his several real estate holdings.
There is nothing holding him there, he wants to be there.

I'm listening to what he says. I'm watching him work. I think he is in there for a reason. It could very well be he is a total phoney in there to somehow enable Bush. I'd like to think otherwise.

And you're believing what he says, But you're not comparing it to his past.
Conservative do not change their values for political expediency, ever.
Bottomline, Trump has no value system.

For assault weapon ban, waiting period, & background check

I generally oppose gun control, but I support the ban on assault weapons and I support a slightly longer waiting period to purchase a gun.
http://www.ontheissues.org/Celeb/Donald_Trump_Gun_Control.htm

QuoteAs a Cruz supporter, it is only natural to suspect every move by the GOP is a trick aimed at defeating Cruz.  Trump and Cruz are becoming allies, as we are led

.

Cruz is smart, he recognizes what Trump has tapped into here, the anger of the nation over illegals flooding across the border, the same issue the GOP pandered over and in 2012, once elected, threw us under the bus.
Point is, Trump will say whatever he thinks the people want to hear, his track record proves it.
Remember when he wanted Oprah the racist on his ticket, or how he changed party affiliation 5 times since the 80s?
How many people do you know that went from Pub, to Dim and back again?
And if you did, what would you think of their value system and judgement?

Look, I appreciate what Trump is doing, but I'm a realist, I know what he's doing, I also know he is not good for the country, period.

Quote from: Solar on July 16, 2015, 07:23:07 AM
And rightly so. I'll be blunt, only a fool would vote for this guy. He's a valueless troll.

Trump is an Internationalist, and only stays in NY because his contacts are there, from the NY stock exchange, to his several real estate holdings.
There is nothing holding him there, he wants to be there.

I'm listening to what he says. I'm watching him work. I think he is in there for a reason. It could very well be he is a total phoney in there to somehow enable Bush. I'd like to think otherwise.

And you're believing what he says, But you're not comparing it to his past.
Conservative do not change their values for political expediency, ever.
Bottomline, Trump has no value system.

For assault weapon ban, waiting period, & background check

I generally oppose gun control, but I support the ban on assault weapons and I support a slightly longer waiting period to purchase a gun.
http://www.ontheissues.org/Celeb/Donald_Trump_Gun_Control.htm
.

Cruz is smart, he recognizes what Trump has tapped into here, the anger of the nation over illegals flooding across the border, the same issue the GOP pandered over and in 2012, once elected, threw us under the bus.
Point is, Trump will say whatever he thinks the people want to hear, his track record proves it.
Remember when he wanted Oprah the racist on his ticket, or how he changed party affiliation 5 times since the 80s?
How many people do you know that went from Pub, to Dim and back again?
And if you did, what would you think of their value system and judgement?

Look, I appreciate what Trump is doing, but I'm a realist, I know what he's doing, I also know he is not good for the country, period.

Exactly!  We can't rely on what any of the candidates are saying as they are trying to win the election.  We must research their past to be able to form a positive opinion before we cast our votes.  The Donald might be saying all the right things but are these things part of his core beliefs?  We've only to go back to stands he has taken in the past to try to figure out just what he is all about.  From my summation, Trump has come to a realization of where this country is headed under current influences but who is going to trust him based on his past of support for these types of people?   Not I.

Quote from: keyboarder on July 16, 2015, 08:33:33 AM
Exactly!  We can't rely on what any of the candidates are saying as they are trying to win the election.  We must research their past to be able to form a positive opinion before we cast our votes.  The Donald might be saying all the right things but are these things part of his core beliefs?  We've only to go back to stands he has taken in the past to try to figure out just what he is all about.  From my summation, Trump has come to a realization of where this country is headed under current influences but who is going to trust him based on his past of support for these types of people?   Not I.

Exactly!  We must search for proof of their "core beliefs"!  That is the proof in the pudding.

It is quite clear that Trump doesn't have any!!!