Quote from: Chosen Daughter on July 12, 2015, 06:46:59 PM
I am leery of Trump.  Don't really go for the big business guys.  Didn't like Mitt Romney either.  I like Cruz and hope that he comes through with a plan to tackle illegal immigration that resonates with fed up Americans.

And rightly so, seeing how this is his third shot at running for office, though his first officially (in writing).
It's hard to take someone seriously when their track record exposes a personal agenda behind his every move.
Anyone can say what they think the people want to hear, but the Trumps of the world are known for saying the right thing at the right time, and unless one has a contract in writing, you'd be smart to ignore everything they say.

One thing politicians and business people share, is an understanding that your words carry no legal weight, only your actions, and if what he says isn't in a signed agreement, he has the right to change his mind.
His business history will verify Trump is a deal breaker if you didn't have it in writing, too damn bad.
The country would be wise to recognize the law for what it is, and Trump for who he is, a man that would never make a deal without it in writing first.
His words are just that, hollow without any backing whatsoever.

If I hadn't done so yet, let me welcome you to the forum.

Quote from: Solar on July 14, 2015, 06:15:53 AM
Anyone can say what they think the people want to hear, but the Trumps of the world are known for saying the right thing at the right time, and unless one has a contract in writing, you'd be smart to ignore everything they say.

Unlike Washington officials who can normally be trusted. Is that it?

Quote from: Chosen Daughter on July 12, 2015, 06:46:59 PM
I am leery of Trump.  Don't really go for the big business guys.  Didn't like Mitt Romney either.

Gosh, that's a shame, Chosen Daughter. I'm sure Carly Fiorina would have appreciated your support.

Quote from: red_dirt on July 14, 2015, 03:40:52 PM
Unlike Washington officials who can normally be trusted. Is that it?

Gosh, that's a shame, Chosen Daughter. I'm sure Carly Fiorina would have appreciated your support.

Trump has a horrible track record in truth, Cruz on the other hand has all kinds of credits under his belt.

illegal immigration:

Whoever gets elected is not going to kick out the illegals that are living here. Our state loves them and have required our teachers to learn Spanish or risk job loss due to not being accepted for job openings.
They might shore up the border fence though.

Quote from: darroll on July 14, 2015, 05:09:21 PM
illegal immigration:

Whoever gets elected is not going to kick out the illegals that are living here. Our state loves them and have required our teachers to learn Spanish or risk job loss due to not being accepted for job openings.
They might shore up the border fence though.

They'll leave on their own once we cut their funding.

Quote from: Solar on July 14, 2015, 05:31:00 PM
They'll leave on their own once we cut their funding.

I believe that Oklahoma and Alabama have already done that.  There was a mass exodus from both States!

Quote from: kroz on July 14, 2015, 06:13:32 PM
I believe that Oklahoma and Alabama have already done that.  There was a mass exodus from both States!

Link(s) please

Quote from: walkstall on July 14, 2015, 07:26:03 PM
Link(s) please

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/alabama-law-drives-out-illegal-immigrants-but-also-has-unexpected-consequences/2012/06/17/gJQA3Rm0jV_story.html

http://www.theacru.org/oklahoma_law_on_illegal_immigr/

Jeb Bush's fundraising haul was impressive. Ted Cruz's was more important.


Jeb Bush's fundraising totals for the first half of 2015 were eye-popping: $114 million raised ($103 million of which came through his Right to Rise super PAC) with a stunning $98 million in the bank.

But, as amazing as Bush's haul was, it's Texas Sen. Ted Cruz's fundraising totals that stood out to me as the most important money number from the June reports filed with the Federal Election Commission.

Cruz raised $14 million through his campaign committee and another $37 million through a constellation of super PACs set up to aid his campaign. That total of $51 million raised put him second behind Bush in total fundraising over the first six months of the year -- ahead of the likes of Marco Rubio, Rand Paul and Scott Walker.

.......

Take Cruz's demonstrated fundraising ability over the first half of 2015 and couple it with his status as the most conservative candidate in the race and you have a potent mix that should scare the hell out of any of the establishment candidates with designs on the party nomination.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2015/07/14/jeb-bushs-fundraising-haul-was-impressive-ted-cruzs-was-more-important/

The Bush organization, or fill in the name of whoever it is the regular leadership has anointed, has an established fund raising circuit  that makes it much easier for the endorsed candidate to raise money. That creates a problem for voters who want a change in leadership style and philosophy, doesn't it? Both parties operate the same way, do they not? 

Quote from: red_dirt on July 15, 2015, 06:18:47 AM
The Bush organization, or fill in the name of whoever it is the regular leadership has anointed, has an established fund raising circuit  that makes it much easier for the endorsed candidate to raise money. That creates a problem for voters who want a change in leadership style and philosophy, doesn't it? Both parties operate the same way, do they not?

They do!

That is why it is so critical that we unite behind the best conservative on the stage.  Cruz IS that candidate.

Money cannot buy the WH if there is a strong enough united front at the grassroots level.  WE are the ones that get out the votes!

Trump is making it extremely difficult for us when he continues to suck the oxygen out of the room.  Yes, he IS saying the right things...... BUT, are you SURE you can trust him?

Has the Nation not been hoodwinked before by smart talking candidates?

Does his historical record support his rhetoric?

We should not fall into the trap of thinking he is the ONLY candidate that can beat Jeb.  Nor, should we get sucked into the hoopla over Trump being self supporting.  Think about THAT for a minute.  He says he would be beholden to none.  Truth is that he is beholden to "Trump Enterprises".  If he buys it, he owns it.

With Cruz, his money is largely coming from folks like you and I...... small donations by millions of folks!

Does that not speak volumes for Cruz's connection with the base voters?  Does that not tell us that he is capable of winning this thing if we can keep our heads out of the ground or not get caught up in the wave of hysteria?

If there ever was a critical time in history for us to maintain our somber analysis of a situation, this is it !!!!

Quote from: kroz on July 15, 2015, 07:40:06 AM
They do!

That is why it is so critical that we unite behind the best conservative on the stage.  Cruz IS that candidate.

Money cannot buy the WH if there is a strong enough united front at the grassroots level.  WE are the ones that get out the votes!

Trump is making it extremely difficult for us when he continues to suck the oxygen out of the room.  Yes, he IS saying the right things...... BUT, are you SURE you can trust him?

Has the Nation not been hoodwinked before by smart talking candidates?

Does his historical record support his rhetoric?

We should not fall into the trap of thinking he is the ONLY candidate that can beat Jeb.  Nor, should we get sucked into the hoopla over Trump being self supporting.  Think about THAT for a minute.  He says he would be beholden to none.  Truth is that he is beholden to "Trump Enterprises".  If he buys it, he owns it.

With Cruz, his money is largely coming from folks like you and I...... small donations by millions of folks!

Does that not speak volumes for Cruz's connection with the base voters?  Does that not tell us that he is capable of winning this thing if we can keep our heads out of the ground or not get caught up in the wave of hysteria?

If there ever was a critical time in history for us to maintain our somber analysis of a situation, this is it !!!!

Yep, Reagan beat the Establishment machine when they were pushing Bush.
The people spoke and history was made and can easily be repeated again.

Cruz/ Trump Summit in Manhattan!

Texas Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX)96%
will meet with fellow GOP contender Donald Trump on Wednesday at Trump's campaign headquarters, New York City's Trump Tower.

Cruz, the first Republican to declare a run for the presidency, will step onto Trump's territory in Manhattan and is visiting Trump, not the other way around. As the Washington Post notes, the two candidates are on friendly terms and both take a strong, popular stand against mass illegal immigration.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/07/15/trumpcruz-summit-in-manhattan/

Quote from: kroz on July 15, 2015, 11:57:47 AM
... and both take a strong, popular stand against mass illegal immigration.[/b]

And the obvious question is, WHY DONT THEY ALL?!!?

Quote from: carlb on July 15, 2015, 05:37:53 PM
And the obvious question is, WHY DONT THEY ALL?!!?

Because they are not honest brokers of truth!!!!!!

We are reduced to two candidates.  Which do you choose?