Both the Tea Party and the Official GOP want nothing to do with Trump. I suspect the Tea Party because he is taking away from their individual pets, though the excuse is that Trump is "too liberal." 

But Trump's message resonates with middle America. By normal logic, then, we would conclude that the Tea Party is somewhat at odds with middle America. We already knew that, I think.

I put Trump in a category with Jan Brewer, Sheriff Joe Arpaio, or to a lesser extent, Mayor Rudy, the main difference being that Donald is not on the public payroll, as he is quick to point out. So, he can say things. He's not worried about offending the illegal coalition.

Quote from: red_dirt on July 10, 2015, 06:43:56 PM
Both the Tea Party and the Official GOP want nothing to do with Trump. I suspect the Tea Party because he is taking away from their individual pets, though the excuse is that Trump is "too liberal." 

But Trump's message resonates with middle America. By normal logic, then, we would conclude that the Tea Party is somewhat at odds with middle America. We already knew that, I think.

I put Trump in a category with Jan Brewer, Sheriff Joe Arpaio, or to a lesser extent, Mayor Rudy, the main difference being that Donald is not on the public payroll, as he is quick to point out. So, he can say things. He's not worried about offending the illegal coalition.

TEA doesn't hate or even dislike Tre\ump, we embrace his message, we just won't vote for a RINO, it really is that simple.

I guess I don't really understand, then, what constitutes a RINO. My impression is that a RINO is a good party member who flocks with the other birds not so  much out of principle or philosophy but, rather, because that is the good career move. I really think one of Trump's problems is that he was forced to do business with New York politicians for so long as a younger man. He might have been left with a trace or PTSD. That may explain why so many workers like him. We spend our careers putting up with jerks who have power.

So few are able to articulate the conservative position. Obviously Goldwater could. So could President Reagan.  The press could throw nothing at President Reagan he could not respond to, without measuring the consequences or worrying about if it was going to offend anyone. Gingrich understood what makes a politician a conservative. So did Thatcher and GHW Bush.

Well the NYT is trying to sabotage his book.  I think he is doing better than is being reported.

Quote from: The Boo Man... on July 11, 2015, 01:29:04 AM
Well the NYT is trying to sabotage his book.  I think he is doing better than is being reported.

I would definitely agree with that.  The media is already picking winners and losers out there on the trail....

Quote from: red_dirt on July 10, 2015, 08:46:16 PM
I guess I don't really understand, then, what constitutes a RINO. My impression is that a RINO is a good party member who flocks with the other birds not so  much out of principle or philosophy but, rather, because that is the good career move. I really think one of Trump's problems is that he was forced to do business with New York politicians for so long as a younger man. He might have been left with a trace or PTSD. That may explain why so many workers like him. We spend our careers putting up with jerks who have power.

So few are able to articulate the conservative position. Obviously Goldwater could. So could President Reagan.  The press could throw nothing at President Reagan he could not respond to, without measuring the consequences or worrying about if it was going to offend anyone. Gingrich understood what makes a politician a conservative. So did Thatcher and GHW Bush.

Red, the big difference with Trump is the shear number of flip flops of the issues AND his praise and support of so many democrats.  Until he became a candidate himself, he did not seem to recognize the political differences.  He supported whomever he thought would do something for HIM.... not the Country.  It is only recently that he has been howling about our National economy....... yet he has been a part of the problem all along.  It's like he thinks we don't have a memory. (much like Hillary thinks we won't remember her misdeeds)

It is true that Trump has hit on a hot button issue with most of America with his "illegal immigrant" outrage.  THAT is what we want to hear from a candidate.  That has captured the attention of many, many voters!!

But guess what?  Trump probably hires as many of those illegals as anyone in America!!  He is a hypocrite!

If elected..... he will do what helps Trump Enterprises....... and then we might get a few crumbs.

Even though Trump has never been a politician, he knows how to lie with the best of them!

Quote from: kroz on July 11, 2015, 05:35:54 AM
I would definitely agree with that.  The media is already picking winners and losers out there on the trail....




Red, the big difference with Trump is the shear number of flip flops of the issues AND his praise and support of so many democrats.  Until he became a candidate himself, he did not seem to recognize the political differences.  He supported whomever he thought would do something for HIM.... not the Country.  It is only recently that he has been howling about our National economy....... yet he has been a part of the problem all along.  It's like he thinks we don't have a memory. (much like Hillary thinks we won't remember her misdeeds)

It is true that Trump has hit on a hot button issue with most of America with his "illegal immigrant" outrage.  THAT is what we want to hear from a candidate.  That has captured the attention of many, many voters!!

But guess what?  Trump probably hires as many of those illegals as anyone in America!!  He is a hypocrite!

If elected..... he will do what helps Trump Enterprises....... and then we might get a few crumbs.

Even though Trump has never been a politician, he knows how to lie with the best of them!

I am leery of Trump.  Don't really go for the big business guys.  Didn't like Mitt Romney either.  I like Cruz and hope that he comes through with a plan to tackle illegal immigration that resonates with fed up Americans.

Quote from: Chosen Daughter on July 12, 2015, 06:46:59 PM
I am leery of Trump.  Don't really go for the big business guys.  Didn't like Mitt Romney either.  I like Cruz and hope that he comes through with a plan to tackle illegal immigration that resonates with fed up Americans.

I am with you completely CD!   And I expect Ted to capture the energy of Trump's wake when he capsizes!

Quote from: kroz on July 13, 2015, 04:56:46 AM
I am with you completely CD!   And I expect Ted to capture the energy of Trump's wake when he capsizes!

Trump is a blowhard, but he is serving his purpose.

Quote from: walkstall on July 08, 2015, 11:24:00 PM
You must remember FOX news is owned by a liberal.

  I didn't know that, but it sure explains alot.     

Fox is trying to shove Bush down our throats just like it did Romney. Who owns Fox now?

Quote from: kathy s. on July 13, 2015, 09:26:24 PM
  I didn't know that, but it sure explains alot.     

Fox is trying to shove Bush down our throats just like it did Romney. Who owns Fox now?

Rupert Murdoch is usually deemed the owner of Fox News as I remember.

Thanks for the info.  I spent this morning calling L. Graham's office about his remarks re Trump, Rubio's office for his supporting an increase in H1-B visas, and Boehner's office about his lack of spine.     I don't like Trump at all, but by God he isn't afraid to tell it like it is. RNC is running scared b/c it knows he doesn't need it's money or support. Good.
  And I am tickled that Cruz supports Trump's stand on illegal immigration and says so. The others are too damn scared. What I find amusing is their condemnation of   Trump, yet folks like Graham have been around a long time and done little to help the middle class.  I believe Cruz will do all he can to get the economy going again and as of right now, I'm voting for him.

Quote from: walkstall on July 13, 2015, 09:34:27 PM
Rupert Murdoch is usually deemed the owner of Fox News as I remember.

And he is genuinely interested in liberty and free market, he fought against monopolies. I think it's just he likes being well loved in his elitist super rich leftist cliques more than liberty and yes today even more so than running a successful business.

Quote from: Mountainshield on July 13, 2015, 11:31:28 PM
And he is genuinely interested in liberty and free market, he fought against monopolies. I think it's just he likes being well loved in his elitist super rich leftist cliques more than liberty and yes today even more so than running a successful business.

I think Murdoch recently retired and handed over the reins to his son!  But Fox News is actually controlled by Roger Ailes.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/charleswarner/2015/06/11/rupert-murdoch-retires-so-what-will-change/

Quote from: kathy s. on July 13, 2015, 09:26:24 PM
  I didn't know that, but it sure explains alot.     

Fox is trying to shove Bush down our throats just like it did Romney. Who owns Fox now?

Last I heard, Rupert stepped aside to give lead to his sons, but came back just the other day.
Looks like the stew wasn't ready to simmer quite yet.

Quote from: Chosen Daughter on July 12, 2015, 06:46:59 PM
I am leery of Trump. Don't really go for the big business guys. Didn't like Mitt Romney either.  I like Cruz and hope that he comes through with a plan to tackle illegal immigration that resonates with fed up Americans.

That is exactly how Washington wants you to think. Wait, let me put in another way, exactly how Washington has conditioned Americans to think.