Quote from: quiller on June 17, 2015, 05:34:43 AM
But then she opens her mouth.

I prefer my-own quote;

" I have never been proud of Michelle Obama... " slight microphone-echo " And I'm still not. "

But a few words about Claudia Johnson... who allowed her husband to publicly 'name' her Lady Bird.  Democrats never had a feasible defense for that affront against feminism.

Quote from: keyboarder on June 16, 2015, 11:49:03 PMWhat do most women consider as the high points of their consideration of a woman running for president?  What qualities or traits should she possess?

Being straight forward, honest and have a backbone.  The main element in any candidate, or relationship, would be trust.  You could trust that she could make the tough decisions, and would lead. 

I don't see Hillary in any of the above.

Quote from: Solar on June 13, 2015, 11:05:43 AM
Honestly, does anyone really think Grahamasty has a prayer?

Solar, Grahamnesty's role is to fracture the base to the advantage of Jeb. The establishment fix is in for Jeb. What they don't realize is the absolute dislike for him with the base. Well, maybe they do know this, and what we've been witnessing with the Republican party has actually been a swing to the left for the last few years, at least within the old establishment. Witness the attack ads they run against Tea Party candidates.

Quote from: ObozoMustGo on June 18, 2015, 07:34:17 AM
Solar, Grahamnesty's role is to fracture the base to the advantage of Jeb. The establishment fix is in for Jeb. What they don't realize is the absolute dislike for him with the base. Well, maybe they do know this, and what we've been witnessing with the Republican party has actually been a swing to the left for the last few years, at least within the old establishment. Witness the attack ads they run against Tea Party candidates.

That does not ring true to me.  Graham is more LIKE Jeb and potentially splits Jeb's votes.  That is good for the conservative candidates.  They have improved odds.

Quote from: kit saginaw on June 17, 2015, 08:58:46 PM
I prefer my-own quote;

" I have never been proud of Michelle Obama... " slight microphone-echo " And I'm still not. "

But a few words about Claudia Johnson... who allowed her husband to publicly 'name' her Lady Bird.  Democrats never had a feasible defense for that affront against feminism.

I'd completely forgotten her, or those TV and other Texas companies she suddenly acquired to keep Lyndon B. clean for office. Mea culpa: I was watching the daughters, knowing in my heart I might have my way with them but I would then grow up and marry somebody Republican. I'm working on that growing up part.

Quote from: kroz on June 18, 2015, 07:47:55 AM
That does not ring true to me.  Graham is more LIKE Jeb and potentially splits Jeb's votes.  That is good for the conservative candidates.  They have improved odds.

Kroz... I get that up front, or at this stage of the game. But over time, the only real message LG has is national defense which gives him the opportunity to raise that issue and draw a contrast with the more libertarian oriented candidates like Cruz and Paul, and the non-national candidates like Fiorina and the govs. Plus, it allows him to carry that water on this issue rather than Jeb Bush, who in doing so, would only rekindle negative images associated with GWB. In short, I think LG's job here is take the defense issue and fracture the conservative candidates. IMHO... I could be wrong.

Quote from: kroz on June 18, 2015, 07:47:55 AM
That does not ring true to me.  Graham is more LIKE Jeb and potentially splits Jeb's votes.  That is good for the conservative candidates.  They have improved odds.

You absolutely correct. Graham will be lucky to finish third in his home state of SC. Bye Bye.

Quote from: kroz on June 18, 2015, 07:47:55 AM
That does not ring true to me.  Graham is more LIKE Jeb and potentially splits Jeb's votes.  That is good for the conservative candidates.  They have improved odds.

Kroz... one other point on this... Jeb is classic Repub establishment. LG is classic Repub establishment. The difference between them is their money and the political machine. Jeb clearly has those 2 covered, while LG has none of it. Clearly, the establishment wants Jeb. Why else would they want another establishment guy unless there was some other longer term purpose that they perceive as strategic advantage?

Quote from: ObozoMustGo on June 18, 2015, 08:17:33 AM
Kroz... one other point on this... Jeb is classic Repub establishment. LG is classic Repub establishment. The difference between them is their money and the political machine. Jeb clearly has those 2 covered, while LG has none of it. Clearly, the establishment wants Jeb. Why else would they want another establishment guy unless there was some other longer term purpose that they perceive as strategic advantage?

If that is what they were wanting, they could have picked far better candidates.  There are some military Generals of note who are fresh out of a job...... because of Obama!

No, I think Graham is on his own ego trip that is so outlandish that he believes he can soar the stratisphere purely on his handsome credentials..... sans money! 

Quote from: ObozoMustGo on June 18, 2015, 07:34:17 AM
Solar, Grahamnesty's role is to fracture the base to the advantage of Jeb. The establishment fix is in for Jeb. What they don't realize is the absolute dislike for him with the base. Well, maybe they do know this, and what we've been witnessing with the Republican party has actually been a swing to the left for the last few years, at least within the old establishment. Witness the attack ads they run against Tea Party candidates.

This would have been true a few years back, but now? And no, they've been leftists long before Reagan (an anomaly) was elected, the people are only just now realizing just how left they truly are.

An internal TPNN poll has interesting results.  It is not what you would expect.

Ben Carson   21%

Ted Cruz       16%

Rick Perry     16%

Trump          11%

Rand Paul       9%

Rubio             8%

Fiorina           8%

Huckabee       4%

Santorum       3%

Jeb Bush        2%

Kasich            2%

Lindsay Graham 1%

Quote from: redbeard on June 13, 2015, 12:41:40 PM
If I was restricted to that list I would still be stuck between 2 candidates. Cruz and Perry, but in all practicality we all know Walker is going to run and I would make it a top 3. 

I'm surprised Walker isn't listed in the top 5. Cruz is my only choice, but I don't think America is conservative enough for him. "We've" become a more socially libertarian country. Cruz is a complete Conservative. That scares too many (they've been brainwashed by the MSM)

Okay, let's say that Cruz wins the primary and the presidency.

With Boehner (still) as Speaker of the House and Mitch McConnell as Senate Majority leader, will we really have gained that much? I mean, other than Hilary is not president?

A president can't sign a bill that doesn't make it to his desk and the Democrats have shown that they (unlike the Republicans) are masters of delaying and/or killing any bill that doesn't fit their agenda even when they are the minority party. The same goes for Cabinet and Supreme Court nominees as well as Federal judicial appointments. 

And Boehner is just the weasel to let them get away with it; Mitchell is no better (and perhaps worse) than Boehner.

Cruz needs to be Senate Majority leader and Boehner needs to be voted out of office even if it means giving his seat to a Democrat!

Just my $0.02 worth.

Quote from: Darth Fife on June 20, 2015, 03:35:00 PM
Okay, let's say that Cruz wins the primary and the presidency.

With Boehner (still) as Speaker of the House and Mitch McConnell as Senate Majority leader, will we really have gained that much? I mean, other than Hilary is not president?

A president can't sign a bill that doesn't make it to his desk and the Democrats have shown that they (unlike the Republicans) are masters of delaying and/or killing any bill that doesn't fit their agenda even when they are the minority party. The same goes for Cabinet and Supreme Court nominees as well as Federal judicial appointments. 

And Boehner is just the weasel to let them get away with it; Mitchell is no better (and perhaps worse) than Boehner.

Cruz needs to be Senate Majority leader and Boehner needs to be voted out of office even if it means giving his seat to a Democrat!

Just my $0.02 worth.

Regardless of who is elected, Boehner must be unseated in the next Congress!  I'm not sure that McConnell can be unseated.  But Boehner can and should be.

I kept warning you guys how important it was to remove those two in 2014. ANY old Republican isn't always the best strategy. Removing either or both of those two would have sent a clear message to the Repub Establishment. Their victory over Tea Party opponents only emboldened them. You have one more chance with the House leadership in 2016. DON'T BLOW IT AGAIN.