Ted still has my undivided support. Carly is interesting.....but perhaps only as VP?

Veddy interestinge.

From everything that is coming to light about most of the names on this list, I would have to go for Cruz.  But,  I would not ever see Cruz naming any one of the others as his running mate.  I guess that would be his biggest problem to start with.  I can see Walker as his running mate with careful considerations.   One thing's for sure, Walker isn't afraid of the big boys either.

Quote from: keyboarder on June 16, 2015, 03:24:16 AM
From everything that is coming to light about most of the names on this list, I would have to go for Cruz.  But,  I would not ever see Cruz naming any one of the others as his running mate.  I guess that would be his biggest problem to start with.  I can see Walker as his running mate with careful considerations.   One thing's for sure, Walker isn't afraid of the big boys either.

A nominee usually wants a strong and vibrant campaigner as his veep.  That is his #1 responsibility..... get them both elected.  Of course, home turf of the veep is also a strong consideration if he/she can carry a needed State.

But in this day and age, gender has also become a strong consideration because of the female voters who are convinced that only a woman could represent their interests. 

With Hillary on the democrat ticket, gender becomes even more important to the GOP ticket.

For that reason I could see Carly being a strong consideration for Cruz.  She is unlikely to deliver California but she is a strong campaigner and vicious against Hillary!  Carly would make Hillary's job much more difficult. 

The Donald appears to be getting into the race today.  He says he needs no money for his campaign.  He is self funded and claims 8 or 9 billion in assets.  I'm afraid he will muddy the waters.  His negativity if high among voters.

Quote from: kroz on June 16, 2015, 04:33:49 AM
A nominee usually wants a strong and vibrant campaigner as his veep.  That is his #1 responsibility..... get them both elected.  Of course, home turf of the veep is also a strong consideration if he/she can carry a needed State.

But in this day and age, gender has also become a strong consideration because of the female voters who are convinced that only a woman could represent their interests. 

With Hillary on the democrat ticket, gender becomes even more important to the GOP ticket.

For that reason I could see Carly being a strong consideration for Cruz.  She is unlikely to deliver California but she is a strong campaigner and vicious against Hillary!  Carly would make Hillary's job much more difficult. 

The Donald appears to be getting into the race today.  He says he needs no money for his campaign.  He is self funded and claims 8 or 9 billion in assets.  I'm afraid he will muddy the waters.  His negativity if high among voters.

Trump won't last long, but he is not afraid of being critical of democrats. Also, he has "star" value so the MSM will cover him which is good.

Quote from: keyboarder on June 16, 2015, 03:24:16 AM
From everything that is coming to light about most of the names on this list, I would have to go for Cruz.  But,  I would not ever see Cruz naming any one of the others as his running mate.  I guess that would be his biggest problem to start with.  I can see Walker as his running mate with careful considerations.   One thing's for sure, Walker isn't afraid of the big boys either.

I agree. I know it's a long shot, but a Ted Cruz Alan West ticket would be a dream ticket, two candidates the RINO GOP have not only rejected, but fought with on an ideological basis.  .....
For those that have ever heard West speak? Libs heads actually do explode.

Quote from: supsalemgr on June 16, 2015, 05:09:42 AM
Trump won't last long, but he is not afraid of being critical of democrats. Also, he has "star" value so the MSM will cover him which is good.

At worst he's a court jester, and at best he's the king's fool, the lunatic allowed to spout great truths without fear of losing his head. The Donald's hair is the smartest part of his act.

Quote from: quiller on June 16, 2015, 05:30:18 AM
At worst he's a court jester, and at best he's the king's fool, the lunatic allowed to spout great truths without fear of losing his head. The Donald's hair is the smartest part of his act.

Trump has a way of dominating any given situation.  Much like Bill Clinton he sucks all the oxygen out of the room because he demands the spotlight..... and always  seems to get it.  He is a larger than life caricature of the excesses of capitalism.  I honestly don't think he is smart enough to win the race!  It is his ego that drives him!

Quote from: kroz on June 16, 2015, 06:40:58 AM
Trump has a way of dominating any given situation.  Much like Bill Clinton he sucks all the oxygen out of the room because he demands the spotlight..... and always  seems to get it.  He is a larger than life caricature of the excesses of capitalism.  I honestly don't think he is smart enough to win the race!  It is his ego that drives him!

Well, if it's ego that helped him pile up that many BILLIONS in personal fortune, then that larger-than-OUR-lives part is absolutely true. Limousines and penthouses and exotic trophy wives (or exes) and suits costing more than our cars --- all fine. He's entitled.

Charisma and relentless self-publicizing creates this very caricature; it's part of being a celebrity because you're a celebrity (for example, Kardashians). With hair from a sci-fi film and chutzpa to fuel a fleet of galaxy cruisers --- if he wants a shot at the ring, then let him.

He wants to spend himself poor, I can't think of a faster way to strip him clean than to let him get into American politics.

Quote from: kroz on June 16, 2015, 04:33:49 AM
A nominee usually wants a strong and vibrant campaigner as his veep.  That is his #1 responsibility..... get them both elected.  Of course, home turf of the veep is also a strong consideration if he/she can carry a needed State.

But in this day and age, gender has also become a strong consideration because of the female voters who are convinced that only a woman could represent their interests. 

With Hillary on the democrat ticket, gender becomes even more important to the GOP ticket.

For that reason I could see Carly being a strong consideration for Cruz.  She is unlikely to deliver California but she is a strong campaigner and vicious against Hillary!  Carly would make Hillary's job much more difficult. 

The Donald appears to be getting into the race today.  He says he needs no money for his campaign.  He is self funded and claims 8 or 9 billion in assets.  I'm afraid he will muddy the waters.  His negativity if high among voters.

Gender only matters if you are a leftie running for ANYTHING.  If you are conservative, you take one heck of a beating.  Look what happened to Sara Palin and I do consider her to be a strong conservative voice.  I already see a parallel between the two in that their business lives were in somewhat of a bind.  Sara gave up her governorship and that was looked down on and Carly was in some sort of controversy about her business (don't remember exactly what without looking it up).  All I'm saying here is that this is all it takes for those leftist animals to feast upon.  If they don't do a good enough job of destroying a female conservative candidate, the folks on SNL and all of the talk shows will do the rest.  Public opinion is the strong force and a great deal of that force is made up of women, thus making the voting highly unpredictable. 

What do most women consider as the high points of their consideration of a woman running for president?  What qualities or traits should she possess?

Alot of folks here don't remember when Mamie Eisenhower was first lady but just to acquaint you a little about how women are perceived in Washington, the most memorable thing about her that I can remember is her ugly hair.  She was just one ugly woman.  Elanor Roosevelt was another one that would peel paint off the walls.  I was too young to know much about Elanor but Mamie was first lady when I was in elementary school.  My folks were democrats then and I can remember that no one they conversed with had a good opinion about either of these ladies.  My folks became Rep with the Eisenhower administration but that didn't mean that they idolized the first lady, Mamie.    I think Sara got about the roughest deal trying to be veep, unfairly so as she was definitely victimized by the left. 

Quote from: keyboarder on June 16, 2015, 11:49:03 PM
Gender only matters if you are a leftie running for ANYTHING.  If you are conservative, you take one heck of a beating.  Look what happened to Sara Palin and I do consider her to be a strong conservative voice.  I already see a parallel between the two in that their business lives were in somewhat of a bind.  Sara gave up her governorship and that was looked down on and Carly was in some sort of controversy about her business (don't remember exactly what without looking it up).  All I'm saying here is that this is all it takes for those leftist animals to feast upon.  If they don't do a good enough job of destroying a female conservative candidate, the folks on SNL and all of the talk shows will do the rest.  Public opinion is the strong force and a great deal of that force is made up of women, thus making the voting highly unpredictable. 

What do most women consider as the high points of their consideration of a woman running for president?  What qualities or traits should she possess?

Alot of folks here don't remember when Mamie Eisenhower was first lady but just to acquaint you a little about how women are perceived in Washington, the most memorable thing about her that I can remember is her ugly hair.  She was just one ugly woman.  Elanor Roosevelt was another one that would peel paint off the walls.  I was too young to know much about Elanor but Mamie was first lady when I was in elementary school.  My folks were democrats then and I can remember that no one they conversed with had a good opinion about either of these ladies.  My folks became Rep with the Eisenhower administration but that didn't mean that they idolized the first lady, Mamie.    I think Sara got about the roughest deal trying to be veep, unfairly so as she was definitely victimized by the left.

Thank for bringing back the memories, key.

Funny, but the only thing I remember about Mamie is a photo of her sitting in bed wearing a bed jacket and being served her breakfast in bed.  As a kid I thought that was like being a Queen.  Otherwise Mamie was occasionally seen but almost never heard.  Ike kept her tucked away in the Drawing Room.... probably because she was a potential liability.  But back then, women generally were not outspoken in public.... it was deemed unladylike.

Fast forward to today...... women are a real force to be considered in the political arena.

Quote from: kroz on June 17, 2015, 04:36:22 AM
Thank for bringing back the memories, key.

Funny, but the only thing I remember about Mamie is a photo of her sitting in bed wearing a bed jacket and being served her breakfast in bed.  As a kid I thought that was like being a Queen.  Otherwise Mamie was occasionally seen but almost never heard.  Ike kept her tucked away in the Drawing Room.... probably because she was a potential liability.  But back then, women generally were not outspoken in public.... it was deemed unladylike.

Fast forward to today...... women are a real force to be considered in the political arena.

Mamie was harmless. Jackie Kennedy however glamorized the whole thing and from there it got way out of hand. Moochelle reportedly has the largest staff ever for "First Lady duties," as huge a fraud as her husband's incumbency. Clearly, these two need to swap jobs. Hussein's more a woman than the Wookie.

Quote from: quiller on June 17, 2015, 05:00:07 AM
Mamie was harmless. Jackie Kennedy however glamorized the whole thing and from there it got way out of hand. Moochelle reportedly has the largest staff ever for "First Lady duties," as huge a fraud as her husband's incumbency. Clearly, these two need to swap jobs. Hussein's more a woman than the Wookie.

Now that you mention it, Jackie was much more Queenlike than Mamie!

She did change the dynamics because she was so incredibly young when Jack was elected!  And she was raised to "play the part" of nobility!  Her Mom or grandmother was fixated with being linked to European nobility.... even creating fraudulent family connections.

Quote from: kroz on June 17, 2015, 05:18:26 AM
Now that you mention it, Jackie was much more Queenlike than Mamie!

She did change the dynamics because she was so incredibly young when Jack was elected!  And she was raised to "play the part" of nobility!  Her Mom or grandmother was fixated with being linked to European nobility.... even creating fraudulent family connections.

"The rich are not like you and me," I once read, and my brushes with the truly wealthy have mercifully been few and brief. I can't imagine being that surrounded by supplicants yet so isolated from the real world, where your driver packs heat and you yourself wear a ballistics jacket when you're out on a public street.

Michelle Robinson was and remains someone scrambling above her abilities, someone cashing in on global travel simply because she can --- and also because that gets her away from the same White House she has repeatedly said is a prison (or the like). First Ladies---prisoners? Her reportedly abrasive behavior to all political people and almost everyone else around her makes her travel expenses ALMOST forgivable until you see costs above $100,000 for a single week-end. THAT is paying through the nose for a little peace and quiet!

But then she opens her mouth.

Telling and then forcing American parents what to feed their children has indelibly soured her among parents in my area. She's a poisonous idiot preaching absolute balderdash.

Quote from: quiller on June 17, 2015, 05:34:43 AM
"The rich are not like you and me," I once read, and my brushes with the truly wealthy have mercifully been few and brief. I can't imagine being that surrounded by supplicants yet so isolated from the real world, where your driver packs heat and you yourself wear a ballistics jacket when you're out on a public street.

Michelle Robinson was and remains someone scrambling above her abilities, someone cashing in on global travel simply because she can --- and also because that gets her away from the same White House she has repeatedly said is a prison (or the like). First Ladies---prisoners? Her reportedly abrasive behavior to all political people and almost everyone else around her makes her travel expenses ALMOST forgivable until you see costs above $100,000 for a single week-end. THAT is paying through the nose for a little peace and quiet!

But then she opens her mouth.

Telling and then forcing American parents what to feed their children has indelibly soured her among parents in my area. She's a poisonous idiot preaching absolute balderdash.

Spot on.

1980: "Help! They won't let us in the White House!"
2015: "Help! They won't let me out of the White House!"

These people can see a rainbow and turn it into a travesty.