Darth, why is "executive experience" the end all for you?

Jimmy Carter had executive experience!!

ANY person of integrity and honor can surround themselves with experts as advisors.  There are far more important criteria for a candidate than "executive experience"!   

First and foremost, we need a keen mind with the ability to articulate issues and convince audiences of his/her ability to make wise comprehensive decisions that keep our Country safe and prosper our economy.  It also requires someone with the ability and willingness to shine light into dark places where the democrats are concerned.  We must have a fighter.

There are many effective executives in this Country, but that does not mean they deserve our vote for President.  Executive experience is highly overrated.... IMHO!

Quote from: kroz on June 14, 2015, 11:44:48 AM
Darth, why is "executive experience" the end all for you?

Jimmy Carter had executive experience!!

ANY person of integrity and honor can surround themselves with experts as advisors.  There are far more important criteria for a candidate than "executive experience"!   

First and foremost, we need a keen mind with the ability to articulate issues and convince audiences of his/her ability to make wise comprehensive decisions that keep our Country safe and prosper our economy.  It also requires someone with the ability and willingness to shine light into dark places where the democrats are concerned.  We must have a fighter.

There are many effective executives in this Country, but that does not mean they deserve our vote for President.  Executive experience is highly overrated.... IMHO!

Here is a list of Senators who became president...



With few exceptions this is also a list of the most ineffective, forgettable and/or corrupt presidents ever to occupy the White House. The ones on this list who run contrary to that almost universally had some king of executive/leadership experience outside of the Senate - usually in the military.

Even JFK is not an exception! The defining moment of his presidency was him getting shot dead in Dallas TX! Most historians I've read have concluded that, if he had not been assassinated, Kennedy would have gone down in history as a rather lackluster president.

Carter had executive experience, but he was (IS) a Left Wing nut job! I'll readily concede that we don't need (another) Left Wing nut job even with executive experience.

Quote from: Darth Fife on June 14, 2015, 12:08:21 PM
Here is a list of Senators who became president...



With few exceptions this is also a list of the most ineffective, forgettable and/or corrupt presidents ever to occupy the White House. The ones on this list who run contrary to that almost universally had some king of executive/leadership experience outside of the Senate - usually in the military.

Even JFK is not an exception! The defining moment of his presidency was him getting shot dead in Dallas TX! Most historians I've read have concluded that, if he had not been assassinated, Kennedy would have gone down in history as a rather lackluster president.

Carter had executive experience, but he was (IS) a Left Wing nut job! I'll readily concede that we don't need (another) Left Wing nut job even with executive experience.

Wish I could read your list.   I just get a tiny empty square!   

His list is @

http://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/common/briefing/senators_became_president.htm

Quote from: Solar on June 13, 2015, 11:42:03 AM
Is there a reason no one is voting?
I only had 5 spaces to work with, and to be quite honest, these are the only real viable candidates out of a total of ten.

I didn't vote solar because there are two on that list I could "live" with as President.  In fact now that I think about it, I could "live with" anyone of those you listed. See I am living with POSD "post Obama stress disorder" so anyone is fine with me, so long as it's not a liberal, or liberal in disguise.

Quote from: walkstall on June 14, 2015, 12:28:16 PM
His list is @

http://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/common/briefing/senators_became_president.htm

Thanks, Walks! I must have clicked the wrong clicky thingie!   

Quote from: kroz on June 14, 2015, 11:44:48 AM
Darth, why is "executive experience" the end all for you?

Jimmy Carter had executive experience!!

ANY person of integrity and honor can surround themselves with experts as advisors.  There are far more important criteria for a candidate than "executive experience"!   

First and foremost, we need a keen mind with the ability to articulate issues and convince audiences of his/her ability to make wise comprehensive decisions that keep our Country safe and prosper our economy.  It also requires someone with the ability and willingness to shine light into dark places where the democrats are concerned.  We must have a fighter.

There are many effective executives in this Country, but that does not mean they deserve our vote for President.  Executive experience is highly overrated.... IMHO!

The problem with electing legislators into the executive branch is they have this tendency to mistake which branch they are in. Obama's repeated "I cannot wait for congress to act" is a prime example.

The role of executive and legislator are distinctively different (which is why I oppose any motions to get rid of the electoral college in favor of a popular election of the president. POTUS is NOT a representational position!). Being different, it is better to look for executive experience when looking to fill an executive position.

And while I would not turn down a decent conservative just because his experience is limited to the legislative branch, I would far rather see a conservative who knows first hand the executive side of the political process.

(BTW: using a far leftist, clueless idealogue as a reason to NOT use executive experience as a desired trait didn't give much support to your position. Carter's short falls in the presidency had nothing to do with his executive experience, and everything to do with the socialist agenda he was promoting.)

Quote from: zewazir on June 14, 2015, 02:40:45 PM
The problem with electing legislators into the executive branch is they have this tendency to mistake which branch they are in. Obama's repeated "I cannot wait for congress to act" is a prime example.

The role of executive and legislator are distinctively different (which is why I oppose any motions to get rid of the electoral college in favor of a popular election of the president. POTUS is NOT a representational position!). Being different, it is better to look for executive experience when looking to fill an executive position.

And while I would not turn down a decent conservative just because his experience is limited to the legislative branch, I would far rather see a conservative who knows first hand the executive side of the political process.

(BTW: using a far leftist, clueless idealogue as a reason to NOT use executive experience as a desired trait didn't give much support to your position. Carter's short falls in the presidency had nothing to do with his executive experience, and everything to do with the socialist agenda he was promoting.)

My use of Carter was not intended to be a reason to not elect an executive.  It was merely meant to show that it was not particularly relevant to his Presidency.  As it is not relevant to most Presidencies.  POTUS is a unique position that is structured in such a way that the primary talent needed is mental prowess and guts.

Quote from: kroz on June 14, 2015, 11:44:48 AM
Darth, why is "executive experience" the end all for you?

Jimmy Carter had executive experience!!

ANY person of integrity and honor can surround themselves with experts as advisors.  There are far more important criteria for a candidate than "executive experience"!   

First and foremost, we need a keen mind with the ability to articulate issues and convince audiences of his/her ability to make wise comprehensive decisions that keep our Country safe and prosper our economy.  It also requires someone with the ability and willingness to shine light into dark places where the democrats are concerned.  We must have a fighter.

There are many effective executives in this Country, but that does not mean they deserve our vote for President.  Executive experience is highly overrated.... IMHO!

For no other reason than a justification for personal prejudice.
That's like going through the list of previous Presidents and claiming that all dark haired people of European ancestry make lousy Presidents.

I've seen that same silly excuse made dozens of times and it really is a ridiculous excuse.
We're Conservatives, we're supposed to be smarter than silly superstition and prejudice, but some aren't....

Quote from: Solar on June 15, 2015, 05:27:40 AM
For no other reason than a justification for personal prejudice.
That's like going through the list of previous Presidents and claiming that all dark haired people of European ancestry make lousy Presidents.

I've seen that same silly excuse made dozens of times and it really is a ridiculous excuse.
We're Conservatives, we're supposed to be smarter than silly superstition and prejudice, but some aren't....

It is not superstition nor is it prejudice.

It's the difference between having an cardiovascular surgeon with years of practical experience performing your triple bypass surgery versus an inexperienced academician who only teaches coronary anatomy doing it.

It's skill sets!

Quote from: Darth Fife on June 15, 2015, 08:17:26 AM
It is not superstition nor is it prejudice.

It's the difference between having an cardiovascular surgeon with years of practical experience performing your triple bypass surgery versus an inexperienced academician who only teaches coronary anatomy doing it.

It's skill sets!

And Cruz' experience proves you wrong.

Quote from: Solar on June 14, 2015, 07:04:14 AM
I guess we need to start A Perry thread as well and shine some light on that polished turd of a former Dim as well.

Rick Perry supported Hillary Clinton's Health Care Bill in 1993

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/09/when-rick-perry-praised-hillarycare/244456/

Perry hired the GOP establishment lobbyist Henry Barbour.

http://mississippiconservativedaily.com/2015/03/02/rick-perry-hires-another-barbour-for-presidential-campaign/

Or look up this one, his support for illegal immigration by providing in-state tuition to children of illegal aliens.
His refusal to call the illegals, instead refers to them as undocumented, or the real issue that will kill his RINO ass in the debates, the a fence along the border, the one he refuses to support.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2011/09/04/perry-repeats-opposition-to-us-mexico-border-fence/

You go Solar!

Quote from: keyboarder on June 15, 2015, 12:31:02 PM
You go Solar!

Yeah, we need to pop the balloons, or bubbles these people have created to exist in.
Too many look at Texas and claim it's all good and Perry deserves the credit.
Problem is, it's not all good and much of the damage that's been inflicted upon Texas is directly related to his lib policies.

Quote from: Solar on June 15, 2015, 01:43:01 PM
Yeah, we need to pop the balloons, or bubbles these people have created to exist in.
Too many look at Texas and claim it's all good and Perry deserves the credit.
Problem is, it's not all good and much of the damage that's been inflicted upon Texas is directly related to his lib policies.

I couldn't agree more!!!!   

Quote from: kroz on June 15, 2015, 01:48:06 PM
I couldn't agree more!!!!   

Yep....
It's no different than Obozo claiming credit for our oil exports leading the world, were a result of his wonderful policies stranglehold on drilling.
Libs always take credit for the groundwork of Conservatives, and Texas is a perfect example of the American spirit in spite, not some damned RINO.