Quote from: Dori on May 12, 2015, 06:03:03 PM
Something is going terribly wrong, when states have to pass their own laws to protect themselves from the federal government.

Californians voted twice to declare marriage was between a man and a woman, and both times the courts threw it out.

I agree. If the government can force any church to perform any act that they feel violates their belief, what will stop that same government from forcing any hospital to preform abortions?? And once we accept the fact that our government can force anyone to perform anything, we will not be surprised when our government decides to withhold services from other groups they feel do not think the right way.  Its coming folks, keep one in the chamber.

The government has never forced such a thing. 

Keep one bullet in the chamber?

Quote from: steve folkster on May 13, 2015, 01:18:41 PM
The government has never forced such a thing. 

Keep one bullet in the chamber?

Obamacare tried that very same thing with the catholic churches and birth control, just did not get enough votes this time. BUT THEY TRIED.   And yes, keep one in the chamber does refer to a bullet in the chamber.

Thanks for clarifying the bullet thing.

I disagree with your assessment here on Obamacare.

Quote from: Dori on May 12, 2015, 06:03:03 PM
Something is going terribly wrong, when states have to pass their own laws to protect themselves from the federal government.

Californians voted twice to declare marriage was between a man and a woman, and both times the courts threw it out.

Less than then flippin years ago, even Barak Hussain Obama and Hillary Clinton publically stated they BELIEVED that marriage was between a man and a women and this was due to their own personal religious convictions

Now they, along with the media and the RINO's who wet their finger and put it in the air to test the direction of the prevailing political wind...are Hell bent on undoing a religious and civil institution of thousands of years.  Now, we know what that "Change you can Believe in" crap was all about; The Tyrrany of the Minority has come to fruition!

Quote from: steve folkster on May 13, 2015, 01:18:41 PM
The government has never forced such a thing. 

Keep one bullet in the chamber?

A DP round? 

Quote from: wally on May 13, 2015, 01:31:08 PM
Less than then flippin years ago, even Barak Hussain Obama and Hillary Clinton publically stated they BELIEVED that marriage was between a man and a women and this was due to their own personal religious convictions

Now they, along with the media and the RINO's who wet their finger and put it in the air to test the direction of the prevailing political wind...are Hell bent on undoing a religious and civil institution of thousands of years.  Now, we know what that "Change you can Believe in" crap was all about; The Tyrrany of the Minority has come to fruition!

Yeah he is lying opportunist, hardly news.  ALl politicans, or most, are.

Quote from: steve folkster on May 13, 2015, 01:27:57 PM
Thanks for clarifying the bullet thing.

I disagree with your assessment here on Obamacare.

Here is one quick article to help explain what I was writing about. Birth control was written into obama care knowing fully well that the catholic church would not go along. That fact meant nothing to the dems, it was written in anyway.    http://www.lifenews.com/2012/01/30/bishops-refuse-to-comply-with-obamacare-birth-control-mandate/       

Quote from: s3779m on May 13, 2015, 01:34:28 PM
    Here is one quick article to help explain what I was writing about. Birth control was written into obama care knowing fully well that the catholic church would not go along. That fact meant nothing to the dems, it was written in anyway.    http://www.lifenews.com/2012/01/30/bishops-refuse-to-comply-with-obamacare-birth-control-mandate/     

But if you are an employee of a religious institution you are thereby prevented from being covered for plan b?

There are some religions that believe you should not take medicine at all.  Would then they not have to cover anything?

I am sensitive to your point here.  But to me if you say a company can choose to not cover birth control you are then saying a company can refuse to cover any drug for any religious reason.  IDK, this is a tough one to me.

Quote from: steve folkster on May 13, 2015, 01:41:10 PM
But if you are an employee of a religious institution you are thereby prevented from being covered for plan b?

There are some religions that believe you should not take medicine at all.  Would then they not have to cover anything?

I am sensitive to your point here.  But to me if you say a company can choose to not cover birth control you are then saying a company can refuse to cover any drug for any religious reason.  IDK, this is a tough one to me.

You are correct, the government should not force anyone to do anything against their religion. Its right here,"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;". We do not need the government to regulate companies on a issue like this, the free market would take care of it. The catholic church has always had this stance on birth control, it became a issue when the government tried to force them into "plan b" thru obamacare.

Quote from: steve folkster on May 13, 2015, 01:33:11 PM
Yeah he is lying opportunist, hardly news.  ALl politicans, or most, are.

Yes he and the Clintons are lying opportunists.   It's hardly "old news"  though.  The Godless Marxists are doing just what Stalin did with religious freedom.  Stalin infamously said you can practice any religion you wish, behind the doors of your church, but that is where it is to remain! (or words to that effect; the exact quote escapes me.   The meaning supports Marx's view that "religion is the opiate of the people" and the ends justify the means.  The end is total state control over all aspects of every individual's life from cradle to grave!  Homosexual Marriage is a means to an end.  The supreme relationship is not the family; It is all 'subjects' being subservient to the dictates of the state!  The destruction of the traditional family is as important as the alienation of people from one another!

Quote from: s3779m on May 13, 2015, 01:56:02 PM
You are correct, the government should not force anyone to do anything against their religion. Its right here,"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;". We do not need the government to regulate companies on a issue like this, the free market would take care of it. The catholic church has always had this stance on birth control, it became a issue when the government tried to force them into "plan b" thru obamacare.

That being said, the free market was not solving health care at all.

Quote from: steve folkster on May 13, 2015, 02:00:31 PM
That being said, the free market was not solving health care at all.

And obamacare did what?? Health care is still not solved.

Obamacare was a bill written, literally, by health care companies, for health care companies.

It did not solve healthcare, I agree.  But it has nothing to do with socialism and everything to do with insurance/ and pharma profit.

Quote from: steve folkster on May 13, 2015, 02:11:28 PM
Obamacare was a bill written, literally, by health care companies, for health care companies.

It did not solve healthcare, I agree.  But it has nothing to do with socialism and everything to do with insurance/ and pharma profit.

The dems have been trying to get a one payer plan for healthcare for some time. If that is not socialism what is?
BY the way, Robert Creamer had a lot to do with writing obamacare, and he damn sure did not do it for the insurance companies.
http://www.thecommonsenseshow.com/2013/12/02/the-shocking-truth-about-who-wrote-obamacare/