Quote from: Norseman on April 22, 2015, 08:42:30 PM
I would love to see Cruz get the nomination. As far as I can tell, He is the only real conservative in the race so far

But realistically, Hillary will run on womens rights. Cruz would run on real issues like Jobs and maybe the border.

How it would be painted, is First female President,Vs White old school Republican

We saw how Obama got elected from nothing more than He was black, He had no qualifications,No experience running anything, but yet He was voted in twice

Its all about perception, unfortunately.

The reason I think the only one that has a chance is Rubio

Why? Because He is young,secondly He would be the first Hispanic President

Going by Obama getting elected,this seems to be the new trend. People want change, and dont seem to care about the issues when they decide who they are going vote for.

I would love for Cruz to get the nomination,He reflects my beliefs more than the others but I think people think He is a radical Right winger

If He does win it God Bless He has my vote

Your thinking confuses me.

You say you think Rubio can win because he is young and hispanic. 

What do you think Cruz is?  An old white man?  Wrong.

Ted Cruz is one year older than Rubio and VERY hispanic.

As far as your idea of "a First Female President vs. a White old school Republican"...... once again he is hispanic and fluent in spanish plus he could have Carly as his veep on the ticket.  She would squash the "Female" edge Hillary would tout.  BTW, are we now reduced to voting on genitalia?  How stupid is that?

Actually it would be an "old school democrat vs. a young hispanic with an impressive resume' ".

You see, it is all about your perspective.

I suspect you frequent too many liberal forums and are influenced by their silly rhetoric.

Quote from: Norseman on April 21, 2015, 07:35:50 PM
well chances are, she will get the Democrat nomination.

What would Hillary attack him on?

Stick around, you have sooo much to learn.

Quote from: Norseman on April 22, 2015, 08:42:30 PM

I would love for Cruz to get the nomination,He reflects my beliefs more than the others but I think people think He is a radical Right winger

If He does win it God Bless He has my vote

People think he is a radical right winger? 

His positions are identical to Ronald Reagan!  A whole lot of people believe Reagan was the best President of the modern era.

When people call Cruz radical, you should remind them of this.

Cruz is actually running a repeat of the Reagan campaign!  They come from exactly the same perspective and political ideology.

And everyone laughed at Reagan when he got into the Presidential race!  No one thought he had a chance of winning!!

Quote from: kroz on April 23, 2015, 04:20:45 AM
Your thinking confuses me.

You say you think Rubio can win because he is young and hispanic. 

What do you think Cruz is?  An old white man?  Wrong.

Ted Cruz is one year older than Rubio and VERY hispanic.

As far as your idea of "a First Female President vs. a White old school Republican"...... once again he is hispanic and fluent in spanish plus he could have Carly as his veep on the ticket.  She would squash the "Female" edge Hillary would tout.  BTW, are we now reduced to voting on genitalia?  How stupid is that?

Actually it would be an "old school democrat vs. a young hispanic with an impressive resume' ".

You see, it is all about your perspective.

I suspect you frequent too many liberal forums and are influenced by their silly rhetoric.

I think Ted Cruz is the most outspoken conservative we have who is actually a player on the political field.  Wd have many bomb throwers on the side lines, but he's the only one we have that throws bombs to power (to rephrase the "speak truth to power" line).  We like that! 

Whether or not the American people will like his style is still an open question.

I remember the Momma's & the Poppa's line..."but if we really say it, the radio won't play it, unless we lay it between the lines..."  Many of our conservatives candidates are much less in their face, although their conservative beliefs are right there for one to read between the lines of what they say.  This is done so the left can not enflame the stupid people by harping on mistakes such as Romney's true comment about the 48% of the voters that weren't going to vote for him or any other Republican because they are afraid of losing some Federal goverment benefit.

I like bomb throwers on our side.  There are so many on their's, it's great to see someone on our side giving as good (or better) as we get all the time, from the lefties!  I don't want my enthusiasm for someone willing to spit right back in their faces, to affect my judgement about who will be the best POTUS. 

I'll be waiting to see what the majority opinion of the American people seems to be and that chapter hasn't yet been written!   I hope Ted Cruz can pursude them; he's very articulate and that is very pusuasive!

The most important thing Norseman needs to understand is the REASON why Cruz gets so much negativity from our opponents is because he is the most feared by the Left.  Why?

Ted is BY FAR the smartest one in the race!  Once America gets a real understanding of his intelligence and abilities, they will see him differently.  That really worries the Left.  He would be the most formidable GOP nominee.  He will not make gaffs.  He is quick and shrewd with his responses to criticism.  He will dominate the debates.  And he will destroy Hillary without being hateful and condescending.  He has the right combination of tact with a sting.

If you have never heard Ted speak in person, you may not yet understand the way he electrifies the room when he speaks.  He inspires people.  He sparks peoples' ability to once again believe in the shining city on a hill.  He can do this like no other candidate....... and I have heard almost all of them in person.

The spirit of Reagan lives!

Quote from: Norseman on April 21, 2015, 07:20:57 PM
I somewhat agree. But realistically for a Conservative to win, they have to appeal to more than just the far right
Thats why I think Rubeo has a better chance

Walker has proven he can appeal to the independents by winning in a blue state 3 times against everything all the libs in the country could throw at him. Cruz is just starting with his message and I believe he with resonate with the base of the party. Both these guys are light years ahead of Rubio who in a resent poll is slipping with even the Hispanic vote!
I would support Rubio in his re-election bid to the senate but not for the presidency. He hasn't the experience as shown by his blunder on immigration and the gang of 8! I think he learned by it but it showed he is not ready for prime time (Yet)!

Quote from: Norseman on April 21, 2015, 07:20:57 PM
I somewhat agree. But realistically for a Conservative to win, they have to appeal to more than just the far right
Thats why I think Rubeo has a better chance

This is a center-right nation.   Rubio has no stronger chance than Cruz.  We have the "integrity" issue here.  Rubio broke his promise to his constituents during his Senatorial campaign.  Cruz did not.  Whether you like Cruz's actions in the Senate or not, he was true to his word when he campaigned.  He did exactly what he promised he would do.

Ted knows how to win the middle ground people in the General Election.  We are not there yet.  Right now he is focused upon winning the nomination..... which requires the grassroots conservative voters.  But he will not flip on any issue in the General election campaign.  He will simply appeal to the reasoned logic of the middle.  He will keep them in his focus after the Primaries.  And he will win their confidence... just as Reagan did.  And he will probably get the Reagan democrats also!

Quote from: kroz on April 23, 2015, 09:48:43 AM
This is a center-right nation.   Rubio has no stronger chance than Cruz.  We have the "integrity" issue here.  Rubio broke his promise to his constituents during his Senatorial campaign.  Cruz did not.  Whether you like Cruz's actions in the Senate or not, he was true to his word when he campaigned.  He did exactly what he promised he would do.

Ted knows how to win the middle ground people in the General Election.  We are not there yet.  Right now he is focused upon winning the nomination..... which requires the grassroots conservative voters.  But he will not flip on any issue in the General election campaign.  He will simply appeal to the reasoned logic of the middle.  He will keep them in his focus after the Primaries.  And he will win their confidence... just as Reagan did.  And he will probably get the Reagan democrats also!

Who is calling Cruz and extreme right winger. It is the MSM and democrats. The establishment would also like to convince folks the independents will not support Cruz, or even Walker for that matter. As has been pointed out, Reagan did not have a problem attracting independents, not to mention middle class democrats. Patriotic Americans are looking for someone with a positive message about America.

The majority of Americans will optimistically accept a Cruz Presidency after the election-hoopla is over with.  They'll have already started to move-on with it by the first weekend.  Just like with Reagan's win.  I voted for John 'Flat Tax' Anderson.  I'd already accepted Reagan by the following Monday. 

It applies to Rand Paul as well.

 

Quote from: kit saginaw on April 23, 2015, 03:38:13 PM
The majority of Americans will optimistically accept a Cruz Presidency after the election-hoopla is over with.  They'll have already started to move-on with it by the first weekend.  Just like with Reagan's win.  I voted for John 'Flat Tax' Anderson.  I'd already accepted Reagan by the following Monday. 

It applies to Rand Paul as well.

Good post Kit!

I don't even remember John "flat tax" Anderson..... 

Quote from: kroz on April 23, 2015, 04:20:45 AM
Your thinking confuses me.

You say you think Rubio can win because he is young and hispanic. 

What do you think Cruz is?  An old white man?  Wrong.

Ted Cruz is one year older than Rubio and VERY hispanic.

As far as your idea of "a First Female President vs. a White old school Republican"...... once again he is hispanic and fluent in spanish plus he could have Carly as his veep on the ticket.  She would squash the "Female" edge Hillary would tout.  BTW, are we now reduced to voting on genitalia?  How stupid is that?

Actually it would be an "old school democrat vs. a young hispanic with an impressive resume' ".

You see, it is all about your perspective.

I suspect you frequent too many liberal forums and are influenced by their silly rhetoric.

What I am trying to get at is, How are the swing voters going to see him? You and I would vote for
Cruz if He got the nomination but how will He be perceived by people who only vote once every four years and dont pay much attention to politics ?

So far they are going after him because He was born in Canada. which the MSM had a field day with

You honestly dont think that 'The first Female President' isnt going to be pushed by the Left?
She will push that along with Equal rights for women. Thats all she really has.

Obama had no experience on anything and IMO was voted in because He was black so its so hard to believe they wont push the gender issue

Quote from: kroz on April 23, 2015, 07:57:19 AM
People think he is a radical right winger? 

His positions are identical to Ronald Reagan!  A whole lot of people believe Reagan was the best President of the modern era.

When people call Cruz radical, you should remind them of this.

Cruz is actually running a repeat of the Reagan campaign!  They come from exactly the same perspective and political ideology.

And everyone laughed at Reagan when he got into the Presidential race!  No one thought he had a chance of winning!!

Thats the way the left is trying to portray him, and being the left controls the MSM it will be a big hurtle

Quote from: kroz on April 23, 2015, 08:26:37 AM
The most important thing Norseman needs to understand is the REASON why Cruz gets so much negativity from our opponents is because he is the most feared by the Left.  Why?

Ted is BY FAR the smartest one in the race!  Once America gets a real understanding of his intelligence and abilities, they will see him differently.  That really worries the Left.  He would be the most formidable GOP nominee.  He will not make gaffs.  He is quick and shrewd with his responses to criticism.  He will dominate the debates.  And he will destroy Hillary without being hateful and condescending.  He has the right combination of tact with a sting.

If you have never heard Ted speak in person, you may not yet understand the way he electrifies the room when he speaks.  He inspires people.  He sparks peoples' ability to once again believe in the shining city on a hill.  He can do this like no other candidate....... and I have heard almost all of them in person.

The spirit of Reagan lives!

I understand that, but He is fighting an uphill battle not only is He fighting the MSM he is up against the GOP

So let me ask you this, Do you think Regan could win in this day and age?

Quote from: redbeard on April 23, 2015, 09:24:00 AM
Walker has proven he can appeal to the independents by winning in a blue state 3 times against everything all the libs in the country could throw at him. Cruz is just starting with his message and I believe he with resonate with the base of the party. Both these guys are light years ahead of Rubio who in a resent poll is slipping with even the Hispanic vote!
I would support Rubio in his re-election bid to the senate but not for the presidency. He hasn't the experience as shown by his blunder on immigration and the gang of 8! I think he learned by it but it showed he is not ready for prime time (Yet)!

He has more experience than Obama did, and He got elected.

Apparently Experience went out the door

Quote from: Norseman on April 23, 2015, 04:38:31 PM
I understand that, but He is fighting an uphill battle not only is He fighting the MSM he is up against the GOP

So let me ask you this, Do you think Regan could win in this day and age?

Yes! Ronnie wasn't called the great communicator for nothing. He was a great speaker and knew how to reach the average person on their level! Cruz can do this, So can Walker!