Quote from: quiller on August 24, 2014, 05:33:21 PM
POSTING LINKS

First, highlight the URL address (for example, http://www.link.org) you want to use (swipe it with the mouse with the left button held down), then right-click the URL address you just highlighted and select 'Copy' from the menu box to save the address to your clipboard. Then select where you want that link to appear in your post, right-click on the spot, and left-click 'Paste' in the menu box. Feel free to jump between browser tabs or move back or forward during this process -- your system's clipboard will hold the information while you find where you want to put it.

Some videos carry an address with https:// as the prefix. CPF software causes these to ONLY appear as text links, and NOT as whole images sampling the video contents. For best results, manually delete the "s" from https://.

QUOTES

For copyright and "fair use" purposes, do try to keep your quote brief, usually four paragraphs or 200 words, whichever is less. Infringement is an extreme no-no. Always cite your source: plagiarism charges can result if you don't credit the originator.

Every post has a QUOTE button feature at the upper right of every post. To reply, just press that button and a set of bulletin-board code will appear, quoting the entire post. (To sidestep a technical issue, I use regular parentheses here and not brackets.) A typical quote would contain (quote) to open that text-block and (/quote) to close it.

(quote) (/quote)

OUTSIDE SOURCES:

Here, it's useful to have two browser windows open: CPF and the original source you wish to quote from.

First, add your thread title. (Sounds obvious, but it's easy to forget if you're busy doing a lot of other things here.)

Then go to the message-block of your post and paste in your quoted text. Now right-click your text in the CPF window and press QUOTE to add those opening and closing bracket-sets on each end of that quote. (The other way is to manually type those bracket-sets and then paste text in-between. For best results add a blank space or two between those sets, to avoid burying your quote in the wrong spot and screwing the whole thing up.

Finally, add the link from where you got that text.

PREVIEW IS YOUR FRIEND. Check what the post will look like after it's published. You then can correct before it goes out. The PREVIEW button is next to POST. It's impossible to miss.

Rewritten for Windoze. 

Quote from: Alaska Slim on August 24, 2014, 10:40:32 PM
Well that's a non-starter unless you're going to change the law.

Most by our current law had no way of entering in legally. We don't have a process for them.

Really, what was stopping them?

^ Already told you, we have 4 requirements, if you don't meet any we don't legally let you in. Ever. You must:

1. Have skills a Bureaucrat is looking for.

2. Have family already legally living within the United States.

A chart examining just these two.

Additionally:

3. The Diversity lottery, 1 in 7 chance if you're from a nation we don't get a lot of immigration from

4. The EB-5 Visa, for investors. $500,000 - $1M over a decade.


The system is dysfunctional and incentives illegal immigration, not just by the immigrant, but also by the companies & farmers who try to hire them. They buck the system too because they're not getting enough workers.

Quote from: Alaska Slim on August 25, 2014, 05:58:02 AM
^ Already told you, we have 4 requirements, if you don't meet any we don't legally let you in. Ever. You must:

1. Have skills a Bureaucrat is looking for.

2. Have family already legally living within the United States.

A chart examining just these two.

Additionally:

3. The Diversity lottery, 1 in 7 chance if you're from a nation we don't get a lot of immigration from

4. The EB-5 Visa, for investors. $500,000 - $1M over a decade.


The system is dysfunctional and incentives illegal immigration, not just by the immigrant, but also by the companies & farmers who try to hire them. They buck the system too because they're not getting enough workers.

This a stupid question, but you never know with the government these days, do you just have to show $1 million in your savings or do you have to invest it in an American company or do you have to pay $1mill to the directorate to complete the application?

Quote from: Alaska Slim on August 25, 2014, 05:58:02 AM
^ Already told you, we have 4 requirements, if you don't meet any we don't legally let you in. Ever. You must:

1. Have skills a Bureaucrat is looking for.

2. Have family already legally living within the United States.

A chart examining just these two.

Additionally:

3. The Diversity lottery, 1 in 7 chance if you're from a nation we don't get a lot of immigration from

4. The EB-5 Visa, for investors. $500,000 - $1M over a decade.


The system is dysfunctional and incentives illegal immigration, not just by the immigrant, but also by the companies & farmers who try to hire them. They buck the system too because they're not getting enough workers.

Hello!!! And there's a reason it's referred to as "ILLEGAL", we don't want them, despite what you want to believe!

Quote from: Solar on August 25, 2014, 06:24:55 AM
Hello!!! And there's a reason it's referred to as "ILLEGAL", we don't want them, despite what you want to believe!

We didn't want them even before they came here.

We say "Respect the system",  but the system doesn't respect them nor does it give them a chance for entry. I wouldn't ask anyone to deal with such tripe.

Additionally, the system disrespects Farmers, who many times forgo it simply because it's costly and hard to use.

Government regulation, at its crappiest.

Quote from: Alaska Slim on August 25, 2014, 06:34:52 AM
We didn't want them even before they came here.

We say "Respect the system",  but the system doesn't respect them nor does it give them a chance for entry. I wouldn't ask anyone to deal with such tripe.

Additionally, the system disrespects Farmers, who many times forgo it simply because it's costly and hard to use.

Government regulation, at its crappiest.

Hmm these are one of the instances where Norway is more conservative than the US, we have immigration stop and to gain entry you have to have a family member that makes 15% more than the median income to cover all your expenses for a minimum of 5 years and you have to reapply every year to show that you still can support the person and the person is not eligible for welfare until you gain citizenship after 5 years during which time you have to pass both a hard language test and cultural understanding/history test. The entire process takes 1 year and cost about $680 to gain entry, 3 years for permanent residence and 5 years for citizenship.

The problem is the refugees who don't have to pass any test and get immense instant parity welfare from day 1, they get free house, free car and monthly income with no work which is more than most ethnic Norwegians have. This of course doesn't create any racism at all 

Quote from: Alaska Slim on August 25, 2014, 06:34:52 AM
We didn't want them even before they came here.

Says you.  I, personally, don't have a problem with legal immigration from specific countries.

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We say "Respect the system",  but the system doesn't respect them nor does it give them a chance for entry.

They don't live here.  They have their own country.

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I wouldn't ask anyone to deal with such tripe.

We're not the babysitters of the world, just like we're not the world's police. We have borders.

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Additionally, the system disrespects Farmers, who many times forgo it simply because it's costly and hard to use.

The government needs to get out of farming.  Let the farmers deal with farming.

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Government regulation, at its crappiest.

I still can't wrap my mind around what prompts someone to want open borders.

Quote from: Alaska Slim on August 24, 2014, 07:12:47 PM
Tell that to Eisenhower, who lowered illegal immigration by 95% in his time through just this logic.

What were the #'s  ?  From 100 to 5  ?

Quote from: Alaska Slim on August 24, 2014, 10:40:32 PM
Well that's a non-starter unless you're going to change the law.

Most by our current law had no way of entering in legally. We don't have a process for them.

I'm not being fanciful here.
The FED controls the Banking system, so impose any changes at that level
which effectively forces the individual to comply.

Before Kennedy, we had an immigrant quota system that was biased toward the
Europeans because of their work ethic which is how they added value to our economy.
Today they also have high tech and language skills. So perhaps it's worth another look?

Quote from: Walter Josh on August 25, 2014, 09:56:24 AM
Before Kennedy, we had an immigrant quota system that was biased toward the
Europeans because of their work ethic which is how they added value to our economy.
Today they also have high tech and language skills. So perhaps it's worth another look?

Sadly true, which was my point about crony capitalists wanting Latin slave labor.

I worked with a lot of foreign nurses.

IN the 1970's, they were encouraged to come here because we had a shortage of doctors and nurses.  This is why you see a lot of foreign physicians today.

The nurses had to be nurses already in their country of origin.  They had to pass the same boards the rest of us did.  This was a problem for some due to difficulty with language. 

They had to have a SPONSOR, usually other family members, who vouched for them, AND promised to support them financially should they not be able to.

This to me makes a LOT of common sense.  The US got people with skills they needed, and the promise not to have to take care of them.

So, what happened?

DaisyJane   

Quote from: taxed on August 25, 2014, 06:50:35 AM
Says you.  I, personally, don't have a problem with legal immigration from specific countries.
They don't live here.  They have their own country.
We're not the babysitters of the world, just like we're not the world's police. We have borders.
The government needs to get out of farming.  Let the farmers deal with farming.
I still can't wrap my mind around what prompts someone to want open borders.

Some (e.g. Alaska Slim) think we're under some sort of moral imperative to let anyone and everyone in. They believe we have no right as a nation to say who comes and stays. So much for nationhood.

Others claim we have plenty of space and resources to share with anyone and everyone -- we'd be mean ol' hogs not to share. Look at all that open space in New Mexico! Why, there's hardly anybody there! Of course, if you've been to New Mexico, it ain't hard to figure out why there's hardly anybody there. Most of the place is fit for lizards and rattlesnakes and not much else.

I've also seen claims that we have no right to restrict our borders because it's not explicitly in the Constitution. Of course, I don't recall anything in the Constitution about speed limits on interstate highways either, or testing standards for new pharmaceuticals, or the redistribution of levied taxes in the form of food stamps, or bringing suit against landowners who build unpermitted ponds.

Those who believe in open borders simply don't see the reality of the situation, and they don't understand how drastically things have changed in 200 years. In 1814, people were coming here to find freedom from oppression, to build a new life in a new country, to start over on a 40-acre plot. In those days, the government offered them almost nothing -- just the 40 acres on a raw frontier. Today, our strange government offers them literally everything from free food to free health care to free housing. Free to them, that is; the rest of us have the privilege of paying for it. A hundred years ago, we picked and chose from prospective immigrants, making sure we got those who were healthy and productive. Today we take them, sick, poor, addled, old, little kids, known criminals, drug dealers, terrorists, and we do it wholesale, without regard for the laws we have on the books. Our motivation in doing this, I am utterly ashamed to say, is to attract dirt-cheap labor and to expand the Democrat voter base.

Quote from: taxed on August 25, 2014, 06:50:35 AM
Says you.

Says the system, you've already acknowledge this is the case.

The system doesn't people in, because it is cynical, and violates Natural Law.

QuoteWe're not the babysitters of the world, just like we're not the world's police. We have borders.

Had them in the 19th century too, somehow, letting people in didn't erase them.

QuoteI still can't wrap my mind around what prompts someone to want open borders.

The American 19th Century. Best growth period we ever had. Disproves every single objection to immigration.