Quote from: taxed on July 29, 2014, 11:39:41 AM
Why did it take you so long?

I grew up in liberal California.  Though I do recycle, conserve water, want my car to have a high MPG, and try to leave the planet cleaner (who doesn't want clean air and water). 

Quote from: ConservativeMe on July 29, 2014, 02:24:32 PM
I grew up in liberal California.

That's no excuse.

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  Though I do recycle, conserve water, want my car to have a high MPG, and try to leave the planet cleaner (who doesn't want clean air and water).

That doesn't make you a liberal.  It actually makes you closer to a conservative.  Look at any gathering between liberals, and a tea party gathering.  Guess which one is covered in litter and filth.  Conservatives want to protect the environment, because we have respect for mother nature.

Quote from: ConservativeMe on July 29, 2014, 02:24:32 PM
I grew up in liberal California.  Though I do recycle, conserve water, want my car to have a high MPG, and try to leave the planet cleaner (who doesn't want clean air and water).

I'm native Californian of 60 years, and I protect the environment, not because it's the politically correct thing to do, but because it's the CONSERVE-ative thing to do.
It's sad that you think clean water and air are somehow symbiotic with Dim-witts, when in fact, it took both parties to agree on policy.
Problem is, the left is full of shit where the environment is concerned. EG, Ozone hole, DDT, AGW, Co2, and the list is 1000 times fold of politically driven lies designed to grow govt and steal Liberty.

So get that idea out of your head, leftists do not own a healthy planet, they own higher taxes and lost liberty associated with their lies and Bull Shit!

Capitalistic countries are the cleanest (because they're prosperous enough to clean up after themselves. Socialist/Communist countries are the filthiest because they can't afford the luxury of a clean environment.

On a personal level, Conservative rallies are known for leaving their environment CLEANER than they found it. Socialist do-gooders leave their environment far worse than they found it.

Quote from: carlb on July 29, 2014, 04:02:35 PM
Capitalistic countries are the cleanest (because they're prosperous enough to clean up after themselves. Socialist/Communist countries are the filthiest because they can't afford the luxury of a clean environment.

On a personal level, Conservative rallies are known for leaving their environment CLEANER than they found it. Socialist do-gooders leave their environment far worse than they found it.

Quote from: keyboarder on July 28, 2014, 06:35:41 AM
Sci Fi Fan is most likely running around still trying to find that Upstate forum he helped to shut down with his nonsense.  Seems he can't get away with his stuff on a normal forum.   

Do tell.  I like a good internet-based drama.

Quote from: drjim893 on July 28, 2014, 03:26:33 PM
The link is the author. USA Today employs an environmental guy and he writes submissions that get published. If you want the sources for the stats ask him, not me.

If you think the stats inaccurate, maybe so, do the research, i am not you servant.

If you don't like USA Today fine, I could care less what your reading preference is.

And frankly I don't really care about your opinion of climate change, it just doesn't matter. You see it is not a subject that I will ever master, and neither will you. We can only learn, collect more info, and read what experts write.

Or we can be fools and claim we "get it" cause we are really, really smart.

Or, we can not be assholes and make claims and insinuations that have no proof.  Just sayin'.......

Quote from: drjim893 on July 28, 2014, 08:47:02 AM
Globe swelters through 5th-warmest summer on record

The world had its fifth-warmest summer since records began in 1880, the National Climatic Data Center reported Tuesday.

Specifically, the temperature over global land and ocean surfaces tied with 2009 as the fifth-highest on record at 61.22 degrees, which is 1.12 degree above the 20th-century average of 60.1 degrees.

Unusual heat was experienced worldwide:

• South Korea had its warmest summer since records began in 1973.

• Austria had its sixth-warmest June-August since records began in 1767.

• In the U.S., Alaska had its 2nd-warmest summer since records began in 1918.

• The average maximum temperature across Australia during June-August was 2.56 degrees Fahrenheit above average, the 2nd-highest since records began in 1910.

Climatologists call "summer" the three hottest months, which are June, July and August in the Northern Hemisphere. (Those three months are the winter months in the Southern Hemisphere.) The climate center is part of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA).

One of the world's few cooler-than-average spots included the central and southeastern U.S.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/weather/2013/09/17/global-summer-climate-report/2828215/

And, adding to the thread comment on this summer:

U.S. enjoys coolest summer since 2009

After a series of sweltering summers, the USA caught a small break this year with its "coolest" summer since 2009, the National Climatic Data Center reported Thursday.

However, the nation as a whole was still 1 degree Fahrenheit warmer than the long-term average and experienced its 15th-warmest summer on record. Eight states in the West and four states in the Northeast had one of their 10 hottest summers on record, the climate center noted.

Alaska had its second-hottest summer in the state's 96-year record. The only other summer that was warmer was in 2004.http://www.usatoday.com/story/weather/2013/09/12/cool-summer-climate-report/2805667/

Climate scientists define summer as the three warmest months of June, July and August.


Just thought you would prefer all the pertinent facts.

lol, yeah, do tell us the "facts" and methods of the data collection, vetting, and analysis....of 1767 and 1880.

May as well tell us how much hotter it is, than it was in the year 9.

Andy

So let's see if we can save some time?can you dissect a climate projection analysis? Can you cite the components measured to establish the model profile?

Nope, not a prayer.

So USA Today is probably well over your level of managing complexity.

Now here is how it works...if USA Today mistakenly cites data its millions of readers note the errors and the paper publishes a correction. It is a concept called research journalism...probably another topic beyond your background.

You see you don't get your own facts. You can deny facts, claim you know their deepest meanings when you probably can't spell the terms, let along grasp the concepts.

But simply saying "Naw, I don't believe any source but one that reports what I want to read" is the stuff that makes knowledge opaque to some.

I do not know if we can curb the changing climate, nor do you...that is the truth.

Quote from: drjim893 on July 29, 2014, 08:46:09 PM
Andy

So let's see if we can save some time?can you dissect a climate projection analysis? Can you cite the components measured to establish the model profile?

Nope, not a prayer.

So USA Today is probably well over your level of managing complexity.

Now here is how it works...if USA Today mistakenly cites data its millions of readers note the errors and the paper publishes a correction. It is a concept called research journalism...probably another topic beyond your background.

You see you don't get your own facts. You can deny facts, claim you know their deepest meanings when you probably can't spell the terms, let along grasp the concepts.

But simply saying "Naw, I don't believe any source but one that reports what I want to read" is the stuff that makes knowledge opaque to some.

I do not know if we can curb the changing climate, nor do you...that is the truth.

The quote function is your friend...

Quote from: carlb on July 29, 2014, 04:02:35 PM
Capitalistic countries are the cleanest (because they're prosperous enough to clean up after themselves. Socialist/Communist countries are the filthiest because they can't afford the luxury of a clean environment.

It's not that they don't have the money or even that cleaning environment is a luxury (because it really is a necessity) it's because they have no incentive whatsoever to do so. When the government owns everything why should the billionaire bureaucrat waste money on cleaning systems if it's only hurts his profit margin? It's not like the peons which the pollution effects can petition the government when the bureaucrat owning the company is part of the government.

Quote from: drjim893 on July 29, 2014, 08:46:09 PM
I do not know if we can curb the changing climate, nor do you...that is the truth.

That's not true, please show me some data of this weather control device you're claiming might exist, maybe in the future mankind can control the climate enough to make it stagnant, but for now and since before time immemorial the climate has always been changing, even if we stopped all industry tomorrow it would at best slow down climate change but more likely it would have no significant effect at all.

Quote from: Mountainshield on July 30, 2014, 03:13:35 AM
That's not true, please show me some data of this weather control device you're claiming might exist, maybe in the future mankind can control the climate enough to make it stagnant, but for now and since before time immemorial the climate has always been changing, even if we stopped all industry tomorrow it would at best slow down climate change but more likely it would have no significant effect at all.

If man were to stop the climate from changing, he'd kill the planet.
That's the literal idiocy behind the notion it's even possible. Because the only way to effect change, is to remove the sun, the "ONLY driver of our climate".

Solar,
I do not know how to use the quote function. Would appreciate help, and thanks.

Sun is not the sole driver of climate. If I understand the science we do know about the topic.
When the early steel mills developed along the low lying Ohio River, their pollution hung in the air, making dark days and pollutant filled air to breathe. When industry used our rivers and  streams to dump toxic waste fishing died and our drinking water was in jeopardy. When factories closed and left behind land on which nothing would grow we had to clean up brownfields.

Today, with ocean temperatures rising some coral is in danger as are some species of water life.
Cutting down the Amazon rain forest is effecting more than the local region.

My point is, humans can and do have an effect upon the planet, and if we have an effect we can alter that effect by changing our behaviors.

Quote from: drjim893 on July 29, 2014, 08:46:09 PM
Andy

So let's see if we can save some time?can you dissect a climate projection analysis?

What does a climate projection have to do with anything, aside from proving they consistently fail?

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Can you cite the components measured to establish the model profile?

It's like proving Santa can fly because we are able to calculate the weight of the presents.  Please, try to be smarter.  Please.

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Nope, not a prayer.

We're not under water, the ice caps are thicker than ever, and polar bears are still around.  It is amazing how you people have been wrong for years, yet talk like you've been correct the whole time.  That makes you not very smart.

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So USA Today is probably well over your level of managing complexity.

This is a fact based forum.  Next time you post something ridiculous again, you need to source the data.

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Now here is how it works...

We already know how it works.  You parrot fake science that has been wrong for years and ignore facts.  I, taxed, have been right for years, while the academics you think are smart have been wrong, over and over again.  I'm stupid, yet seem to have perfect accuracy on my predictions.

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if USA Today mistakenly cites data its millions of readers note the errors and the paper publishes a correction. It is a concept called research journalism...probably another topic beyond your background.

Journalists cite and publish their sources.  That seems to be beyond your comprehension.

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You see you don't get your own facts. You can deny facts, claim you know their deepest meanings when you probably can't spell the terms, let along grasp the concepts.

Facts and data prove you wrong every time.

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But simply saying "Naw, I don't believe any source but one that reports what I want to read" is the stuff that makes knowledge opaque to some.

Your idiocy can always be dismantled with common sense.  You people always fail. 

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I do not know if we can curb the changing climate, nor do you...that is the truth.

I do know.  The answer is no, we can't.