Quote from: Sci Fi Fan on July 28, 2014, 09:15:38 PM
You know, you can try as hard as you can to justify why children born by chance into another country are less worthy of human rights than children born by chance into the United States, but you'll fail.  You'll fail because it's complete bullshit, because Guilt by Association is a concept subscribed to only by pre-enlightenment knuckle dragging neanderthals.  It's especially pathetic, because most of you here were born Americans and did not earn your citizenship by any means, yet you think you are somehow uniquely entitled to it for the enormous accomplishment of being born.   

Thanks for frameworking the lib hypocrisy of abortion. 

What happened to the how do you know an illegal kid isn't a prodigy at something question?

Yeah, you're enlightened.  Why'd the kids wait so long to start arriving here, then?  57,000 arrive within 5 weeks and it's a 'human rights' issue rather than an American Law issue.

Quote from: Sci Fi Fan on July 28, 2014, 08:58:06 PM
You dodged the question.  If it were your kid that was stuck in Mexico, what would you do?

The question isn't some emotional appeal to my bleeding heart. The question is why should the country next door pay for the failures of your country.

QuoteFunny, since America is a nation of immigrants.  On your own principle, you would never have been born.

America is a nation of LEGAL immigrants. I really wish all you Leftards would stop trying to conflate LEGAL and ILLEGAL. The words have two different meanings

Quote from: Sci Fi Fan on July 28, 2014, 09:15:38 PM
You know, you can try as hard as you can to justify why children born by chance into another country are less worthy of human rights than children born by chance into the United States, but you'll fail.  You'll fail because it's complete bullshit, because Guilt by Association is a concept subscribed to only by pre-enlightenment knuckle dragging neanderthals.  It's especially pathetic, because most of you here were born Americans and did not earn your citizenship by any means, yet you think you are somehow uniquely entitled to it for the enormous accomplishment of being born.   

By the same idiotic token logic, do you have a right to go to another country demanding citizenship, and why not?
Because these places all have borders and culture they want to protect, would it be right if the Chinese decided they wanted to go to say, Guatemala by the thousands, never bothering to learn the language, culture, laws, get immunized, support themselves.

Do you have that same right, are you justified in demanding they let you in and accommodate YOU?

Quote from: mdgiles on July 29, 2014, 04:44:09 AM
The question isn't some emotional appeal to my bleeding heart. The question is why should the country next door pay for the failures of your country.America is a nation of LEGAL immigrants. I really wish all you Leftards would stop trying to conflate LEGAL and ILLEGAL. The words have two different meanings

What's amazing, is he actually sees this in the left right paradigm, he believes all these protests are by Conservatives, that none of these people are of color, none went through the legal process, taking pride in becoming Americans.

He actually thinks the left stayed home and either ignored the problem or embraced it because they were told to hate anything the right was against, which apparently means any law established protecting the nation from invasion.

Never once considering Qaida, Hamas or any other terrorist group looking for easy entry into thew US.
No, we should just open our borders to anyone that wants to come here.

Quote from: Sci Fi Fan on July 28, 2014, 08:58:06 PM

You dodged the question.  If it were your kid that was stuck in Mexico, what would you do?

Funny, since America is a nation of immigrants.  On your own principle, you would never have been born.

America is a nation of legal immigrants.  They hate your lying ass, and the illegals, just as much as any conservative American does.

If your kid is stuck in Mexico because you let him/ her get dragged across 2 or 3 countries, raped, beaten, sold a few times.....you'd be a POS that needs to be stomped.

Quote from: Sci Fi Fan on July 28, 2014, 08:58:06 PM

You dodged the question.  If it were your kid that was stuck in Mexico, what would you do?

Funny, since America is a nation of immigrants.  On your own principle, you would never have been born.

Dodge WHAT question, sonny? The illegitimacy of your position?

Stupidity on your scale is difficult to resist a hard slap to your empty melon, kid. I do not have kids in Mexico. I don't play asinine what-if games from morons too ignorant to understand sovereignty.

I wouldn't have been born? Really? Got any proof to support that stupendously ignorant position?

Quote from: Sci Fi Fan on July 28, 2014, 08:20:17 PM
Question: say you are an impoverished single parent of a child in Mexico, and you were dying from a terminal illness.  You have relatives up in America that can take this child in.  Your kid is very smart, hard working, etc, etc, but Mexico is a shithole with no good schools or much social mobility.

If you were given the opportunity to smuggle your kid through to the States, would you do it?  And if not, what the fuck is Plan B?  Your kid is basically fucked for the horrible crime of having been born by random probability into a shithole.  The conservative rhetoric of "you're poor because you didn't work hard enough!" doesn't really apply here.

haha, yeah, there's always a moronic, completely stilted, biased, slanted story to justify the false, illegal, and stupid.

Thanks for your version.

A country turned to shit doesn't automatically equate to destroying the USA.  For you I'm sure it does.

Quote from: quiller on July 29, 2014, 06:06:20 AM
Dodge WHAT question, sonny? The illegitimacy of your position?

Stupidity on your scale is difficult to resist a hard slap to your empty melon, kid. I do not have kids in Mexico. I don't play asinine what-if games from morons too ignorant to understand sovereignty.

I wouldn't have been born? Really? Got any proof to support that stupendously ignorant position?

This boy's posts have turned into an encyclopedia of dumbass liberal canards, red herrings, white elephants, strawmen, and out & out bullshit.

I was gonna highlight each piece of horseshit in one of his posts, then I realized I'd literally be highlighting every word.

Quote from: Sci Fi Fan on July 28, 2014, 09:15:38 PM
It's especially pathetic, because most of you here were born Americans and did not earn your citizenship by any means, yet you think you are somehow uniquely entitled to it for the enormous accomplishment of being born.   

The only thing pathetic in this thread is yourself. I earned my citizenship. I served my country, not leeched off it.

Quote from: Sci Fi Fan on July 28, 2014, 08:20:17 PM
Question: say you are an impoverished single parent of a child in Mexico, and you were dying from a terminal illness.  You have relatives up in America that can take this child in.  Your kid is very smart, hard working, etc, etc, but Mexico is a shithole with no good schools or much social mobility.

If you were given the opportunity to smuggle your kid through to the States, would you do it?

If I were the Mexican parent, and I thought the US was inviting me and giving me all kinds of free things and new Obama shoes, AND their health care system was still somewhat intact before being destroyed by the ACA scam, yes, I would try.  If I thought if I had a chance to make it to the border without being killed, and if I did, there would be no assistance or job waiting on me, and I would be thrown in jail and possibly separated from my child for a length of time, then no, I wouldn't.

I love your hypotheticals.  They are so easy to answer.

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  And if not, what the fuck is Plan B?

I don't know and don't care.

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  Your kid is basically fucked for the horrible crime of having been born by random probability into a shithole.

Now you see why we don't want to turn our country into the same shithole, and why we fight liberalism at every turn.  We don't want to be a third world country either.  I'm glad you agree.

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  The conservative rhetoric of "you're poor because you didn't work hard enough!" doesn't really apply here.

Correct.  They don't have our Republic and system.  It's funny when you libs point to a country and complain how unfortunate they are, while trying to "fundamentally transform" us into the same thing.  Oh I love you libs so much.

Quote from: Sci Fi Fan on July 28, 2014, 09:15:38 PM
You know, you can try as hard as you can to justify why children born by chance into another country are less worthy of human rights than children born by chance into the United States, but you'll fail.

Who says that?

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You'll fail because it's complete bullshit,

You got that right.  Now wipe your face off.

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because Guilt by Association is a concept subscribed to only by pre-enlightenment knuckle dragging neanderthals.

  It's especially pathetic, because most of you here were born Americans and did not earn your citizenship by any means, yet you think you are somehow uniquely entitled to it for the enormous accomplishment of being born.   

I was fortunate enough to be born in the USA, hence why I want to preserve this system and keep out the 3rd world.  See how that works?

Quote from: taxed on July 29, 2014, 06:17:55 AM
Who says that?
You got that right.  Now wipe your face off.
I was fortunate enough to be born in the USA, hence why I want to preserve this system and keep out the 3rd world.  See how that works?

His argument works off the false premise that we keep people out of the country, just because.
We don't, in fact anyone and everyone is welcome, on the grounds they learn our laws and and are willing to assimilate.

Why is that so much to ask?

The brain-dead left always cranks up their top-grade snivels when the subject comes to "too much" police in America. Of course, OWS never shat on cars or threw any riots---just ask them. Of course the druggies don't rob people to pay for their next fix---just ask them. Of course Democrats don't steal, just ask the union rats whose union officers get sent up for embezzlement. It's all a lie concocted by right-wing death-beasts determined to Keep the Little Guy Down---just ask them.

So sure, let's throw open our borders and take in every single one of the world's losers, the ones their own countries don't care about and will not support. Sure, we're all multimillionaires and can EASILY afford the obscene taxes levied on us by the runaway criminal Obama junta. Let's pay for a gazillion MORE cops....

...and then enjoy leftist sniveling because crime went up, and freedom went down.

Quote from: Solar on July 29, 2014, 06:23:23 AM
His argument works off the false premise that we keep people out of the country, just because.
We don't, in fact anyone and everyone is welcome, on the grounds they learn our laws and and are willing to assimilate.

Why is that so much to ask?

Because they'd vote Republican.

Quote from: daidalos on July 28, 2014, 04:54:06 PM
Such laws already exist, on the books.

The problem, once again folks, is not one in which we need "new law".

The problem is with a total lack of enforcement of already existent law.


Start enforcing already existent law, THEN we can talk about new legislation.

Right, and how long have we been trying to get existing laws enforced?  That new legislation he's talking about is totally liberal BS to achieve what they are  trying for now.  Whenever they want to go off the plantation and get something else they've always wanted, it always involves circumventing the existing laws or making up new ones as they go along.  Sure they're gonna' get resistance as long as any one of us is alive.