a lot can happen between now and 2012... for instance~ Obama obtains a long form birth certificate from the state of hawaii  :P

http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=267897

According to the above article, Jerome Corsi wrote there is talk of the state making up a long form birth cert  for Obozo.

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The latest development comes as well-connected sources in Hawaii are warning that certain government officials in the state have been contemplating releasing fraudulent birth records for Obama in the run-up to the 2012 election. At least 11 states are currently considering legislation that would require future presidential candidates to prove constitutional eligibility by proving they are "natural born citizens."

Read more: Hawaii controversy over birth certificate guardian http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=267897#ixzz1Fec9lb00

Fraud, huh?

Quote from: U_Kay on March 03, 2011, 05:37:00 PM
Well, I see one particular disadvantage if the dollar were no longer used as the world currency. Many countries keep dollars in surpluses for the very reason you stated with the example of buying a bulldozer. If all these foreign countries were to no longer need the dollar, those dollar bills would sooner or later come back home. IMO, it seems only logical this wouldbe  harmful to our economy.

I understand but keep in mind that however faith in the dollar may drop if the currency you want to convert too is worse then you hang on to your dollars and hope. What other choice is there?

That last sentence isn't rhetorical. If China or Russia or Brazil loses faith in the dollar where are they going to go with their store of wealth? The Euro isn't viable becuase the European economy's too small. It's about a third the size of the U.S. economy so converting from dollars to Euros would drop the value of the dollars, so you'd better be pretty quick dumping your dollars before they lose too much value, and spike the value of the Euro which simply can't absorb that kind of buying pressure.

In fact, the Chinese tried diversifying out of the dollar some time back by buying Japanese government debt rather then U.S. debt. But when you buy a lot of debt you drive up the price of the underlying currency which the Japanese government didn't want. Pushing up currency value hurts exports and the Japanese government told the Chinese to cut it out.

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Let's start with your last sentence. Are you aware most articles concerning the 2012 election are written as though he is unbeatable in 2012? Yes! I bet you already know it, Arp.

The incumbent always has an advantage. Not only can he get his mug in front of the public as often as he wants, I believe there's a certain degree of uneasiness in a change in presidency so that the incumbent has that uneasiness going for them. Ron Reagan beat Jimmy Carter but trust me, it could have gone the other way if Reagan hadn't been as good a campaigner as he was. Even with Carter's dreadful performance by virtually any measure if Reagen hadn't run a smart, tough campaign he could have lost.

Obama's a better politican then Carter and I don't see any of the likely Republican candidates as being as good a politician as Reagan. That doesn't mean I think Obama's unbeatable but it isn't going to be a walkover. He'll be tough make no mistake.

And yeah, I've read some articles about Obama's invulnerability but that's whistling past the graveyard by frightened lefties. He is vulnerable. He has stumbled badly both by doing a bad job and, by his own standards, doing a good job. A good job that much of the electorate didn't want done.

It can obviously be done, Obama's not Superman, but it won't be easy.

Well said, Arpad!

Oh... You asked which currency would replace the dollar. I believe there are Asian countries with stronger and stronger economies. They are investing wisely, producing more and more advanced degrees  such as engineers and so forth. I am not sure exactly what would replace the dollar. However, Obama is working overtime to weaken our economy. He is doing a damn good job at it too.  ;)  Although the British Sterling was used for many many years then replaced by the dollar in the 1970s (I think), I dont see it as the alternative. The Liberals, in England, have weakened her economy.

I don't know what will be worse. Another Obama term or the aftermath of an Obama loss...

Quote from: Krell Kneen the Bird Strangler on March 04, 2011, 11:26:09 AM
I don't know what will be worse. Another Obama term or the aftermath of an Obama loss...

I guess it's like leaving an arrow lodged in an artery...

Haha @ Taxed!

Quote from: Krell Kneen the Bird Strangler on March 04, 2011, 11:26:09 AM
I don't know what will be worse. Another Obama term or the aftermath of an Obama loss...

Krell Kneen, Bird Killer~ Many Democrats worry about Obama. They see where he is doing real damage to their party! They cant take another election like the last one.

Most likely, The Senate will be Republican Majority after 2012 and remain so after 2014 too.

The Dems know they are in deep trouble. What do they do to get out of it although many of them are content with how Obama is weakly leading the country.?.