Quote from: lindcamp on February 16, 2014, 09:11:50 PM
Correct!

What about the woman in redbeards link that had to take a second job to get her obamacare policy so she can get her lupus meds. The fact that she's receiving the lupus meds proves its covered. Your just being silly.

No I am not. When you have to take a second job to pay for medication Obama promised would be affordable it's not really "covered".

Quote from: The Boo Man... on February 16, 2014, 09:18:29 PM
No I am not. When you have to take a second job to pay for medication Obama promised would be affordable it's not really "covered".

When you have to take a second job, its not really "affordable". It is "covered".

If it wasn't covered she would pay the 350 a month and still not get the meds. Thats not the case.

Quote from: lindcamp on February 16, 2014, 09:22:40 PM
When you have to take a second job, its not really "affordable". It is "covered".

If it wasn't covered she would pay the 350 a month and still not get the meds. Thats not the case.

Ah Semantics. The last stand for Obamacare.




If you can't afford it whether or not it is "covered" is irrelevant.

Quote from: The Boo Man... on February 16, 2014, 09:30:04 PM
Ah Semantics. The last stand for Obamacare.




If you can't afford it whether or not it is "covered" is irrelevant.

Thats not semantics....thats just the correct usage of those two words. You had them mixed up.

Quote from: lindcamp on February 16, 2014, 09:35:51 PM
Thats not semantics....thats just the correct usage of those two words. You had them mixed up.

Awesome. Is Obamacare doing what Obama said it would do?

Quote from: The Boo Man... on February 16, 2014, 09:37:31 PM
Awesome. Is Obamacare doing what Obama said it would do?

No it's not, I'm not a fan. I just try to debunk false and misleading news stories when I see them. My only claim was this drug formulary thing is nothing to get worked up about. 

Quote from: lindcamp on February 16, 2014, 09:41:13 PM
No it's not, I'm not a fan. I just try to debunk false and misleading news stories when I see them. My only claim was this drug formulary thing is nothing to get worked up about.

You have debunked nothing...

And you did an awesome job of wasting energy. But it's not a total loss. The forum needs a new Hall Monitor..

Quote from: The Boo Man... on February 16, 2014, 09:43:30 PM
You have debunked nothing...

And you did an awesome job of wasting energy. But it's not a total loss. The forum needs a new Hall Monitor..

Well that's ok. I'm just glad the poor lady ended up getting her lupus meds covered through her Obamacare.   

Quote from: lindcamp on February 16, 2014, 09:45:54 PM
Well that's ok. I'm just glad the poor lady ended up getting her lupus meds covered through her Obamacare.   

If a person can't afford the premium or the deductible or the co pay their medication isn't covered.

Game
Set
match


Bert leaves the room whistling...

Quote from: The Boo Man... on February 16, 2014, 09:47:54 PM
If a person can't afford the premium or the deductible or the co pay their medication isn't covered.

Game
Set
match


Bert leaves the room whistling...

As is true of every insurance in the history of mankind.

Quote from: Little Nan on February 16, 2014, 01:49:26 PM

We have friends who live in Canada, who also have socialized medicine.  They say it is free, but due to a shortage of specialty doctors in the system, if you need an operation you are put on a waiting list and must wait your turn.  This could be up to a couple of years and by then it may be too late.  My Canadian friends seem to accept this system, as they probably don't know anything else.  If we are headed in that direction, most of us will be shocked to say the least.  But we are getting bad health care and must pay a hefty price for it.   

Know I have stated this many times on this forum, but since UN ranks Norway at the top in healthcare and US liberals view Norway as a model I will state it again.

To use some anecdotal examples from my own family, my grandfather waited 6 months before cancer treatment could start due to long waiting lines, and he had to wait 2 years before the hospital committee decided to give the specific medicine needed only to be then dissaproved by the hospital manager and by then it was already too late even if he had approved it, my grandfather was dead. My mother now is waiting treatment because she is sick, the problem is that the committee on this area only meets once every other month to approve or disapprove people for check/treatment, so we don't know what she has and by the time we do know it might already be too late. You can get normal appointment with doctor in 2-5 days, but getting the real scans or general diagnosis can take months because the doctors too need to deal with bureaucracy to get approval for anything.

But to give some facts about Norway "great" single payer system

In 1965 there were one doctor for 940 people, in 2000 there were one doctor for 295 people. Yet the number of patients that has waited above 6 months for treatment was in 1995 over 95000 patients and in 2010 it had risen to over 260,000 patients. This is despite the expenditures of Norwegian healthcare cost has quadrupled in the last 30 years, and was in 2003 10% of total GNP.

Adjusted for inflation the price for each person in the healthcare system has increased by 70% in the last 30 years and to top it off the National Health Care patient bed capacity has decreased 67% in the last 25 years from 21000 to 14200 capacity.

But like they said on National Workers Party TV Channel (a service you are obligated to pay $450 annal tax for) last night, the healthcare is as much mine as it is yours, wellfare is security and Norway has the best system of health in the world. Thank you Goebbels 

Medicine costs will go to more than $2,500 per month for me if this goes through.

Obamacare is killing America...starting with me.

Quote from: lindcamp on February 16, 2014, 09:45:54 PM
Well that's ok. I'm just glad the poor lady ended up getting her lupus meds covered through her Obamacare.   

It seems to me you have missed the point of the entire thread. The lady was paying about $52 per month for her health insurance and satisfied with the coverage. She believed the Obama lies that if you like your coverage you could keep it. However, her plan was determined to "sub-standard" by the law. So she got caught in the trap. No one debates each plan has its own formulary, but she lost the option of keeping what she was satisfied with.

Quote from: lindcamp on February 16, 2014, 09:41:13 PM
No it's not, I'm not a fan. I just try to debunk false and misleading news stories when I see them. My only claim was this drug formulary thing is nothing to get worked up about.

Take it from an old man.  Your not yet old enough to get worked up yet.  If you live past 65 you will get worked up over the drug formulary list. 

Quote from: walkstall on February 17, 2014, 07:23:45 AM
Take it from an old man.  Your not yet old enough to get worked up yet.  If you live past 65 you will get worked up over the drug formulary list.

We will see a cost-containment effort guaranteed to yank seniors off the medicines which DO work (all of which are NOT generic) and forced into accepting whatever the government SAYS they will pay for. I suffered for years under the VA and under civilian doctors, working away from the generic stuff. To go back to that now would not just materially affect my health but also bankrupt myself and my wife.

You bet I hate that know-nothing anti-American white-hating piece of trash who came up with this. His policies will be ruinous to us all. It will just take some time for the younger people to realize that, but by then today's mistakes will be cast in stone.