Quote from: mrclose on January 07, 2014, 04:09:48 PM
American Thinker has always tried to find the shiny and clean end of a turd!

Obama and his crack addicted legal team argued strenuously  against the ACA being a TAX!

They argued that it was in fact a PENALTY!

Roberts changed their argument for them and RULED that it was a tax and therefore .. Constitutional!

Just another A$$HOLE activist Judge .. creating law from the bench!

American Thinker be Damned!

So they argued it wasn't a tax. The manner in which it was passed made it a tax. It doesn't matter what you argue, what matters is what took place. They passe the bill using the Congressional procedure for passing a spending bill. They did so to avoid having to send it back to the Houses of Congress and risking cloture. To get mad at Roberts, because he didn't act in the same manner as every left wing judge has for the last 50 years, is to become what you despise. It bothers me that so many on the right don't understand that. It makes me think those people are exactly like the people on the left; they simple want to move in another direction.

I read Roberts opinion at the time and got a heap of grief over my take that it was a brilliant ruling for a bad situation, but he did really 3 things, covered the several states with a way out, declared it a tax as it is, and most importantly basically said this is the result of electing a one party rule and "We the People" have to fix it at the ballad box.

Don't re-elect ANYONE!!!!! 

Quote from: redbeard on January 07, 2014, 04:41:19 PM
Whooo! That's kind of hard on him. I too was disappointed in his ruling and thought the whole thing should have been thrown out. I don't believe he had a big crystal ball that showed him all the political future but I do so without the ruling, in the matter it was handed down, The states wouldn't have been able to opt out and we wouldn't be seeing anywhere near the Obama care crap the whole world sees today.
Whether planned or not it was Roberts ruling that has set up the 2014 election cycle we are entering. If we take back the senate it will be mostly on the count of Obama's health care disaster and what ever happens this year will be carried into the 2016 election too!
One major warning, If they make this healthcare monstrosity work our party is in a lot of trouble! The shutdown put an exclamation point on the fact that this is a democrat law. If it fails it's on them, But if it becomes popular??

Massive medicaid expansion the states cannot afford as federal funding is scaled back.
Heavy provider cuts to Medicare.
Higher premiums.
Higher budget deficits.
The lie about keeping your existing plan if you like it.
The fact that so few doctors are signing up to be Obamacare providers.

Yeah, I'm not too worried about the long term popularity of this Obamanation of a law. The leftist own this one 100%! The harm they are doing to millions is exclusively to their credit. 

Quote from: RGCheek on January 07, 2014, 05:23:52 AM
Of course, you may be right, but I think it more complex than that.

Obama is a tyrant. He has given himself war-time powers in non-emergency peace time, which means he can dictate the law and he has been lately. The GOP doesn't have the back bone in its leadership to oppose Obama by using their Constitutional power to defund what programs they want to. Obama won the government shut down and stripped the GOP of that ability in effect. This is only going to get worse till the GOP finds its spine again with new leadership, like Ted Cruz or Rand Paul.

Till then, Roberts made the decision on a narrow reading of the law, from what I can tell. He got stronger states rights for Constitutionalists and a mortal wound to the Obama legacy in ripping from under it authority to compel states to tow the Obama dictates.

A ruling that the ACA was unconstitutional would require that it be labeled as not a tax, and that is not true. It is a tax and everyone knows it, despite the Obama regime lies. But Roberts had to rule on the reality, seeing it as a tax, and then he let it set itself up to fail.

Nope. Roberts either ruled against his principals or he wasn't straight about what he believed when he asked for the job. Either way, I don't trust the man and I do not respect the branch of government he leads. Screw me? Well then screw them!

Ironically Roberts decision has set the liberals back decades...

Quote from: The Boo Man... on January 07, 2014, 08:08:12 PM
Ironically Roberts decision has set the liberals back decades...

As it has done the liberty of the American people, and adherence to the United States Constitution by their government.

Yes sir, way to go there John boy.

Quote from: daidalos on January 07, 2014, 09:03:42 PM
As it has done the liberty of the American people, and adherence to the United States Constitution by their government.

Yes sir, way to go there John boy.

I think you missed my point.

Quote from: The Boo Man... on January 07, 2014, 09:13:54 PM
I think you missed my point.

I agree with your point, and in hindsight it's the only way too look at it.
And just like Hussein, it was the medicine this Nation needed to wake us from the zombie like trance of socialism we were in.

Had it not been for this shot of reality from Hussein's Marxist plan, none of us would have recognized just how close to the precipice we truly were.
I honestly believe we had three short decades before we would have completely lost the country to socialism had it not been for Hussein cramming 50 years of leftist agenda into one election cycle like a dictator.

Yeah, Roberts actually did us a favor, but I honestly don't believe he had the best of intentions in mind.

Quote from: mrclose on January 07, 2014, 05:33:53 PM
Well gee .. Obama really didn't need to spend the time, money or veiled threats against the Supremes (in the Rose Garden).

He didn't need those pesky, ill informed attorneys to argue the case after all!

Just make a law and have it argued and affirmed by the court!

Who woulda thunk that it would be so easy and that oral arguments matter .. not a twit?

So if a particular lawyer argues a case, in a particular way, that makes it the law? Interesting thought pattern you have there. In effect you've elevated the lawyers above the law. The obama administration were trying to have their cake and eat it too. The passed the law as a revenue matter, using the manner in which revenue bills are passed. To return to the Supremes and argue it really was a revenue bill, is gross hypocrisy on their part, but it isn't the law.

Roberts was dealt a platter of crap, 2700 pages of goobly goop with NO constitutional Severable statute included, as is always done. His reaction was making the best of the crap dealt him, and he must have known it would take a while to sort it out, for "We the People" to get the wake up call. So far so good IMHO.

Quote from: Ek Ehecatl on January 08, 2014, 09:45:04 AM
Roberts was dealt a platter of crap, 2700 pages of goobly goop with NO constitutional Severable statute included, as is always done. His reaction was making the best of the crap dealt him, and he must have known it would take a while to sort it out, for "We the People" to get the wake up call. So far so good IMHO.

Nope, Roberts is the one who took a crap on all of our heads. Personally speaking, I didn't like it. But I'm not German so that should be expected.

Quote from: Ek Ehecatl on January 08, 2014, 09:45:04 AM
Roberts was dealt a platter of crap, 2700 pages of goobly goop with NO constitutional Severable statute included, as is always done. His reaction was making the best of the crap dealt him, and he must have known it would take a while to sort it out, for "We the People" to get the wake up call. So far so good IMHO.

All the other Justices were dealt a platter of crap as well.

And again. Expecting the USSC to ignore the law simply to give us what we want is the way the Leftards work. You have a problem when you find yourself turning into your worse enemy.