I really shouldn't quote this. After all, CNN has lost 55% of its viewers. But when CNN offers up a poll that fails to glorify Jug Ears, guess how many other lamestream outlets just ignored the poll entirely?

QuoteWashington (CNN) – Americans views on the state of the nation are turning increasingly sour, according to a new national poll.

And a CNN/ORC International survey released Friday also indicates that less than a quarter of the public says that economic conditions are improving, while nearly four in ten say the nation's economy is getting worse.

Forty-one percent of those questioned in the poll say things are going well in the country today, down nine percentage points from April, and the lowest that number has been in CNN polling since February 2012. Fifty-nine percent say things are going badly, up nine points from April.

Besides an obvious partisan divide, which contributes to a urban-rural gap, the survey also indicates a difference of opinion between younger and older Americans.

"There's a slight generational divide, with 46% of those under age 50 saying things are going well. That number drops to 36% for those 50 and older," said CNN Polling Director Keating Holland.

Looking specifically at the economy, 39% feel that the economy is still in a downturn, up six points from April. Only 24% believe that an economic recovery is under way. Thirty-six percent are in the middle - they don't think we're in a recovery but they believe conditions have stabilized.

Again, the survey indicates partisan and geographic divides, as well as a generational gap, with 45% of those age 50 and older, but only 34% of those under age 50 saying the economy's still in a downturn.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/11/29/cnnorc-poll-jump-in-percentage-of-those-saying-things-not-going-well/?hpt=hp_t2

Quote from: quiller on November 30, 2013, 03:32:30 AM
I really shouldn't quote this. After all, CNN has lost 55% of its viewers. But when CNN offers up a poll that fails to glorify Jug Ears, guess how many other lamestream outlets just ignored the poll entirely?

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/11/29/cnnorc-poll-jump-in-percentage-of-those-saying-things-not-going-well/?hpt=hp_t2

The thing about CNN polls, they are designed to show the Emperor in the best light.
Can you imagine if this were a reputable poll, just how bad Hussein would really look?

Quote from: Solar on November 30, 2013, 03:42:43 AM
The thing about CNN polls, they are designed to show the Emperor in the best light.
Can you imagine if this were a reputable poll, just how bad Hussein would really look?

Didn't feel like arguing with droolers over the source. One of our resident retards got upset at me citing the Washington Examiner, the other day. I think it was the same Rhodes Scholar who simply DID NOT GET IT about the satire with one of the most popular (now overworked) internet memes, of Hitler discovering another flaw in Obamacare.

For contrast, I invite leftists to cite "major media" like last-place CNN or second-to-last-place MSNBC, and show how Obama's popularity has RISEN since his reelection.

You know --- "reputable polls," and all.....

QuoteThe economy is starting to recover from the problems it faced in the last year or so....  Yes or No?

THIS is how the question is worded.  They're not asking:  "Are you better off today than you were last year; two years ago; etc...."  They're just taking a snapshot of people's current feeling that things are about to start recovering.

Every quarter for the past five years, the media have cobbled together every possible scrap of statistics they can to build the impression that recovery is constantly "just around the corner."

Liberals don't do polls to test the performance of their God; they do polls to test the efficacy of their own propaganda in spreading His word.  And it's wearing thin.

Quote from: quiller on November 30, 2013, 04:30:04 AM
Didn't feel like arguing with droolers over the source. One of our resident retards got upset at me citing the Washington Examiner, the other day. I think it was the same Rhodes Scholar who simply DID NOT GET IT about the satire with one of the most popular (now overworked) internet memes, of Hitler discovering another flaw in Obamacare.

For contrast, I invite leftists to cite "major media" like last-place CNN or second-to-last-place MSNBC, and show how Obama's popularity has RISEN since his reelection.

You know --- "reputable polls," and all.....

Oh, you mean the one where he didn't know Hussein was the Fuehrers overlord in the 1930s?
Boy are libs slow.

Quote from: kopema on November 30, 2013, 04:31:31 AM
THIS is how the question is worded.  They're not asking:  "Are you better off today than you were last year; two years ago; etc...."  They're just taking a snapshot of people's current feeling that things are about to start recovering.

Every quarter for the past five years, the media have cobbled together every possible scrap of statistics they can to build the impression that recovery is constantly "just around the corner."

Liberals don't do polls to test the performance of their God; they do polls to test the efficacy of their own propaganda in spreading His word.  And it's wearing thin.

Bernard Baruch said it best....

A political leader must keep looking over his shoulder all the time to see if the boys are still there. If they aren't still there, he's no longer a political leader.

Quote from: kopema on November 30, 2013, 04:31:31 AM
THIS is how the question is worded.  They're not asking:  "Are you better off today than you were last year; two years ago; etc...."  They're just taking a snapshot of people's current feeling that things are about to start recovering.

Every quarter for the past five years, the media have cobbled together every possible scrap of statistics they can to build the impression that recovery is constantly "just around the corner."

Liberals don't do polls to test the performance of their God; they do polls to test the efficacy of their own propaganda in spreading His word.  And it's wearing thin.

Of course there's a recovery, it started in the summer several years ago, just like old Joe predicted in 2010  "Summer of Recovery".
With libs, perception is reality, if they believe it, there is nothing that will convince them otherwise.

Quote from: Solar on November 30, 2013, 04:48:58 AM
Of course there's a recovery, it started in the summer several years ago, just like old Joe predicted in 2010  "Summer of Recovery".
With libs, perception is reality, if they believe it, there is nothing that will convince them otherwise.

Being convinced is one thing.  Being RE-convinced, over and over and over and over again... that's something else entirely.

Obama's purported "recovery" since 2010 is worse than Bush's "recession."

I still remember the Reagan years...  An 8-year span when America added a value onto its GDP equivalent to what was then (whole other story there) West Germany.  During that whole time, you heard the constant liberal media drumbeat about how economic collapse was always "just around the corner."  At one point they had to delve so far into number-crunching Hell as to coin the asinine catchphrase "Rolling Recession" -- to describe the horror of one part of the country growing slightly slower than another part in a given quarter.

Quote from: kopema on November 30, 2013, 05:26:55 AM
Being convinced is one thing.  Being RE-convinced, over and over and over and over again... that's something else entirely.

Obama's purported "recovery" since 2010 is worse than Bush's "recession."

I still remember the Reagan years...  An 8-year span when America added a value onto its GDP equivalent to what was then (whole other story there) West Germany.  During that whole time, you heard the constant liberal media drumbeat about how economic collapse was always "just around the corner."  At one point they had to delve so far into number-crunching Hell as to coin the asinine catchphrase "Rolling Recession" -- to describe the horror of one part of the country growing slightly slower than another part in a given quarter.

Yep, same here, the only difference in today and the Carter years, was interest rates.

Obama's Misery Index Approaches Carter Years
Bob Campbell

In the past 30 years if you were in the top 1% economic class your inflation-adjusted incomes grew by 224%.  The top 0.1% grew by 390%.  In contrast, the bottom 90% struggled with only a 5% growth in incomes.[ref]  Whoop-tee-do!  A 5% increase over 30 years is pathetic!

According to the Credit Suisse's annual Global Wealth Data Book, America's middle class ranks 27th in the world.  Are they serious?  I thought the United States was the wealthiest country in the world.

The U.S. misery index has reached its highest level since May, 1983.  I remember the Carter years.  The only thing missing today is the 18% interest rates.  So how can the index be so high in the Obama years without double-digit interest rates?  For starters, I remember having a job back then.  Today, a lot of us don't have jobs, 50% of the population receives government checks, the population is aging, and the dollar has plummeted in value.

Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2013/07/obamas_misery_index_approaches_carter_years.html#ixzz2m8WMjgbd

Quote from: Solar on November 30, 2013, 05:47:56 AM
Yep, same here, the only difference in today and the Carter years, was interest rates.

Actually, the salient difference between Obama's depression and Carter's depression is that we went INTO this depression with untenable nondiscretionary federal deficit spending.  That's the time bomb that's finally about to go off.

And when that happens, it'll make Carter's days of mere double-digit inflation look like we were on the gold standard.

Quote from: kopema on November 30, 2013, 06:37:47 AM
Actually, the salient difference between Obama's depression and Carter's depression is that we went INTO this depression with untenable nondiscretionary federal deficit spending.  That's the time bomb that's finally about to go off.

And when that happens, it'll make Carter's days of mere double-digit inflation look like we were on the gold standard.

Perfect segue-way.

Jimmy Carter's grandson runs on nostalgia for Carter years
http://www.politico.com/story/2013/11/president-jimmy-carter-grandson-jason-carter-georgia-governor-race-2014-100457.html

Quiller, I think you missed some red meat in your OP:

QuoteLooking specifically at the economy, 39% feel that the economy is still in a downturn, up six points from April. Only 24% believe that an economic recovery is under way. Thirty-six percent are in the middle - they don't think we're in a recovery but they believe conditions have stabilized.

Stated another way, fully 75% of those surveyed believe that a recovery is NOT happening. For the usual reasons, CNN wouldn't want to put it that way, and didn't, but that's what their numbers actually say -- if you ask the question, "Are we in a recovery? Y/N," three out of four would say no.

Quote from: TboneAgain on November 30, 2013, 08:29:41 AM
If you ask the question, "Are we in a recovery? Y/N," three out of four would say no.

Probably not even that high.  As I pointed out, the wording of the question was bizarrely limited.  It says to state whether you imagine that a recovery is currently starting - and base that only on problems that the economy "faced" within the past year (whatever the heck that's supposed to mean.)  That oddly specific yet fuzzy language is designed to test just the type of opinion ongoing propaganda would be most likely to influence.

If they'd asked a more direct question like:  "Are we in a recovery," or even more so, "have you seen signs that a recovery has been happening over the past year?"  The "no"s would probably have been significantly higher.

Quote from: TboneAgain on November 30, 2013, 08:29:41 AM
Quiller, I think you missed some red meat in your OP:

Stated another way, fully 75% of those surveyed believe that a recovery is NOT happening. For the usual reasons, CNN wouldn't want to put it that way, and didn't, but that's what their numbers actually say -- if you ask the question, "Are we in a recovery? Y/N," three out of four would say no.

Yeah, I missed that.