Rethinking the Left-Right Paradigm: a New Political Spectrum

Started by iustitia, November 24, 2013, 05:20:57 PM

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Quote from: Rhea_Markable on November 25, 2013, 04:11:16 AM
I actually managed to make my way through all of that.  After reading it... I ask: just what is your question?
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Doesn't the JACKASS do all the heavy lifting--beast of burden and such??  Actually, it was from a POLITICAL CARTOON from a cartoonist mind so who knows HIS true meaning.  Maybe that was all the 'clipart' he had on hand.  (PS Their NEW D logo sucks!)

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Quote from: kopema on November 25, 2013, 02:00:53 PM
Over six miles in some places.
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Only in the shade though, kinda like a flat tire, it's only flat on the bottom.
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Quote from: Solar on November 25, 2013, 03:51:26 PM
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Only in the shade though, kinda like a flat tire, it's only flat on the bottom.

I have my snorkel ready...
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Quote from: Sci Fi Fan on November 24, 2013, 09:15:19 PM
Problem: there's a reason why we've grown to separate social and fiscal liberalism and conservatism.  You can oppose government regulation in schools and still support the government's right to bust weed dealers and ban sodomy, for example.

And the BIGGIE--wage war!

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Quote from: Solar on November 25, 2013, 04:00:52 PM
I bought your TEA bagger water-wings.

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Quote from: taxed on November 25, 2013, 04:17:04 PM
Now you're on an enemy list... but they'll keep you afloat!
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Quote from: kit saginaw on November 25, 2013, 03:40:08 AM
A real-time weather map'll do fer starters.  It's -6c (20f) here now, with a wind-chill of -12c (9f).

http://www.toledonewsnow.com/weather

Where's the heat that Gore promised us?

That's not what global warming predicts.  Please don't try to talk about something you have no understanding of.



Quote from: taxed on November 25, 2013, 09:07:12 AM
How high have the ocean levels risen?

Before I waste more time with you, why don't you answer this question for me:

How much work does is done on an object along a vector field of varying strength <x^2, 2xy^3, yz^2> in the path <t, t^2, 2t> from t = 1 to t = 3?

This is an elementary problem you would have to be able to solve to even pass a first year physics or engineering course.  If you do not know the answer, maybe you should stop trying to learn how to run before you walk, and defer to the opposition...aka every scientific organization on the planet.  Because right now you sound like a drug addled hippie trying to walk into a business executive meeting to tell them how to cut a profit that quarter.  Or worse yet, an inbred redneck trying to substitute for a neurosurgeon in a life or death operation.

kit saginaw

Quote from: Sci Fi Fan on November 26, 2013, 01:08:00 PM
That's not what global warming predicts.  Please don't try to talk about something you have no understanding of.



Before I waste more time with you, why don't you answer this question for me:

How much work does is done on an object along a vector field of varying strength <x^2, 2xy^3, yz^2> in the path <t, t^2, 2t> from t = 1 to t = 3?

This is an elementary problem you would have to be able to solve to even pass a first year physics or engineering course.  If you do not know the answer, maybe you should stop trying to learn how to run before you walk, and defer to the opposition...aka every scientific organization on the planet.  Because right now you sound like a drug addled hippie trying to walk into a business executive meeting to tell them how to cut a profit that quarter.  Or worse yet, an inbred redneck trying to substitute for a neurosurgeon in a life or death operation.

First, ya gotta explain your "How much work does is done"...  That's improper sentence-structuring, since you're referencing engineering.  The position vector moves as t varies, so there is no 2t.  It's  F(t) = f(x(t), y(t)), where f(x, y) = 2xy + y3, x(t) = t2 + 3t + 4, y(t) = t2...  if that's what you meant by 'path'.  The vector-field is parallel to the x-axis and zero on the yz-plane; 2xy. (x2 + y2)2 −. 2yx. (x2 + y2)2. = 0...

So what do vector-fields, divergence-calculus, and line-integrals have to do with meteorological prognostication?

And I've known hippie weed-dealers that hit projected profit-targets like veteran CPA-backed account executives, including 'import' expenses and municipal-airport bribes. 

So tell me something about climate-science that I have no understanding of.  I can't wait.

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Quote from: kit saginaw on November 26, 2013, 04:16:41 PM
First, ya gotta explain your "How much work does is done"...  That's improper sentence-structuring, since you're referencing engineering.  The position vector moves as t varies, so there is no 2t.  It's  F(t) = f(x(t), y(t)), where f(x, y) = 2xy + y3, x(t) = t2 + 3t + 4, y(t) = t2...  if that's what you meant by 'path'.  The vector-field is parallel to the x-axis and zero on the yz-plane; 2xy. (x2 + y2)2 −. 2yx. (x2 + y2)2. = 0...

So what do vector-fields, divergence-calculus, and line-integrals have to do with meteorological prognostication?

And I've known hippie weed-dealers that hit projected profit-targets like veteran CPA-backed account executives, including 'import' expenses and municipal-airport bribes. 

So tell me something about climate-science that I have no understanding of.  I can't wait.

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Sci Fi Fan

Quote from: kit saginaw on November 26, 2013, 04:16:41 PM
First, ya gotta explain your "How much work does is done"...  That's improper sentence-structuring, since you're referencing engineering.

This sentence sounds smart but makes no sense whatsoever.  I said physics or engineering, and "work" is not precluded from the latter.

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The position vector moves as t varies, so there is no 2t.

What are you talking about?  <t, t^2, 2t> can be the vector equation of a line.  The question asks taxed to integrate from t = 1 to t = 3.  I don't see how this is confusing.

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So what do vector-fields, divergence-calculus, and line-integrals have to do with meteorological prognostication?

Solar is the same person who once claimed that gases "are not significantly affected by gravity".  Taxed himself has demonstrated a complete lack of understanding of even the most basic physics concepts, and the notion that he has the knowledge and expertise to realistically contradict the entire scientific community is simply ridiculous on its face.  His attitude towards the issue amongst various threads have demonstrated this quite to my convenience.  You're free to look at them if you wish.

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And I've known hippie weed-dealers that hit projected profit-targets like veteran CPA-backed account executives, including 'import' expenses and municipal-airport bribes. 

Taxed has based his dismissing of a "mere" 1.5 degrees increase in temperature over the past century on the basis of his personal incredulity and his personal incredulity alone.  So you'll forgive me if I contest his argument from "authority" with one of my own.

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So tell me something about climate-science that I have no understanding of.  I can't wait.

You tried to disprove global warming theory by pointing to how cold it is over where you are one day in the middle of fall.   :rolleyes:

Kurmugeon

If you're going to remap the political spectrum, why go by half measures? 

Go 3D!

X-Axis - Power of the State vs. Power of the Individual

Y-Axis - Focus on the Aristocracy  vs.  Focus on the Common Man

Z-Axis - Control at whim of current office holders vs. Fixed Framework of Limitations and enumerated powers. (Constitutional Federalism)


You could add other dimensions as well, such as Power at Federal Level, vs. State and Local Government. 

The point is, Politics is, and has always been, far too complex to map on a simple sliding scale, or even a group of them.

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Sci Fi Fan

Quote from: Kurmugeon on November 26, 2013, 05:04:23 PM
If you're going to remap the political spectrum, why go by half measures? 

Your point notwithstanding this might actually work.  Sort of.  Maybe.

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X-Axis - Power of the State vs. Power of the Individual

Liberals and conservatives are essentially at the same locations, with liberals maybe slightly further to the left on balance.  Patriot Act, NSA, gay marriage, porn, religious worship, death penalty.  Libertarians are far, far to the right.

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Y-Axis - Focus on the Aristocracy  vs.  Focus on the Common Man

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Well liberals are quite far to the "right" over here, reverse for conservatives and libertarians.
Z-Axis - Control at whim of current office holders vs. Fixed Framework of Limitations and enumerated powers. (Constitutional Federalism)

Liberals veer to the right (throughout world and modern history constitutionalism is considered a liberal ideal).  Libertarians veer fanatically to the right.  Conservatives operate a broad spectrum based on their convenience.

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