Quote from: kramarat on November 17, 2012, 04:59:44 PM
Cute idea, but I think we have just proven to the world that we don't require foreign plots. We are more than happy to vote for self destruction.

The foreign plot which began 50 years ago has worked, perpetuating it
for the benefit of those I already mentioned just shows the stupidity of the American people....it seems we need to be dependant on something...welfare, the Govt.... food stamps.... dope

Billy

Don't forget..... America also has a drinking problem....... Alcoholics anonymous.....
Alcoholic beverages.
Alcohol-related car crashes are the number one killer of young adults in the United States But it's ok, each state should make their own laws on how to deal with young adults in the United States killing themselves by drinking alcoholic beverages.

Quote from: BILLY Defiant on November 17, 2012, 04:55:33 PM
As a PATRIOTIC American I say drugs ae a foreign plot to destroy the country as most of them come in from other countries and fuel rebel/communist/terrorist and criminal empires...Marijuana included.

Billy

I agree Billy and the Congressional Record,1963 Communist Goals is proof of that plan.

Quote from: kramarat on November 17, 2012, 04:59:44 PM
Cute idea, but I think we have just proven to the world that we don't require foreign plots. We are more than happy to vote for self destruction.

Quote from: kramarat on November 17, 2012, 04:55:14 PM
I agree.

The legalization of prostitution in Nevada didn't lead to every husband all of a sudden thinking that it was okay to cheat on their wives. I tend to think it would go the same way with drugs. People that have brains, are individuals. They don't depend on government to set their moral compasses for them.

Whether they are screwing whores or shooting heroin, I think that people inherently know the difference between right and wrong. It's not something that the government can determine for us.

They could legalize all drugs and prostitution tomorrow, and it would have zero impact on my personal behavior. But that's just me.

Yeah, let the states that want it draw those that want to do drugs and give the rest of us another place to avoid them.
I'd move to Utah if Ca goes any further.
Hell, I may be moving anyway, now that the libs have a veto proof majority in our Legislature.
They plan on repealing prop 13 Jarvis Ghann initiative that prohibits increasing taxes on land owners.
If that happens, no one will stay here, it will be left full of leaches.

Quote from: Solar on November 17, 2012, 05:32:21 PM
Yeah, let the states that want it draw those that want to do drugs and give the rest of us another place to avoid them.
I'd move to Utah if Ca goes any further.
Hell, I may be moving anyway, now that the libs have a veto proof majority in our Legislature.
They plan on repealing prop 13 Jarvis Ghann initiative that prohibits increasing taxes on land owners.
If that happens, no one will stay here, it will be left full of leaches.

You're in deep doo doo out there brother. What nobody seems to be willing to talk about, is that only the rich can afford the lib policies. The rest will be crushed. The democrats are the party of the rich...................and I mean the mega rich, not the people that make $200K a year.

Quote from: kramarat on November 17, 2012, 05:39:55 PM
You're in deep doo doo out there brother. What nobody seems to be willing to talk about, is that only the rich can afford the lib policies. The rest will be crushed. The democrats are the party of the rich...................and I mean the mega rich, not the people that make $200K a year.

But but but...were the evil corporatist bastards the libs rail against .

Amazing isn't it, how the libs can be so easily lead by the nose into believing working people that earn their own money and that of their investors are somehow the bad guys, when the really big money holders are the leftists in the country.

Quote from: Solar on November 17, 2012, 05:46:02 PM
But but but...were the evil corporatist bastards the libs rail against .

Amazing isn't it, how the libs can be so easily lead by the nose into believing working people that earn their own money and that of their investors are somehow the bad guys, when the really big money holders are the leftists in the country.

If I could make $20 million for making a movie in 6 months, I would vote for a slight increase in my taxes too. Actually, that's a lie..........but you get the point. A person that has $60 million socked away isn't going to be as freaked out over a 50% tax rate, as a person that works every day for $200K a year.

It's time to change the narrative. It's time to paint the democrats as they really are.

Quote from: kramarat on November 17, 2012, 05:56:59 PM
If I could make $20 million for making a movie in 6 months, I would vote for a slight increase in my taxes too. Actually, that's a lie..........but you get the point. A person that has $60 million socked away isn't going to be as freaked out over a 50% tax rate, as a person that works every day for $200K a year.

It's time to change the narrative. It's time to paint the democrats as they really are.

I wonder why Libs always bring up CEOs of Wall street corporations and banks when they talk about salary caps, but never mention movie stars and Left wing writers?

I have much less of a problem with a corporate CEO getting a 7 or even 8 figure bonus for running a company which employes 10s of thousands of people and provides a product or service used by, perhaps millions of Americans, than I do for an "actor" who get paid the same amount for about 3 to 6 weeks of "work" pretending to be someone else by reading words other people have written for him/her.

Quote from: Darth Fife on November 17, 2012, 11:02:19 PM
I wonder why Libs always bring up CEOs of Wall street corporations and banks when they talk about salary caps, but never mention movie stars and Left wing writers?

I have much less of a problem with a corporate CEO getting a 7 or even 8 figure bonus for running a company which employes 10s of thousands of people and provides a product or service used by, perhaps millions of Americans, than I do for an "actor" who get paid the same amount for about 3 to 6 weeks of "work" pretending to be someone else by reading words other people have written for him/her.

That and they can't even dance or sing.   

Quote from: Darth Fife on November 17, 2012, 11:02:19 PM
I wonder why Libs always bring up CEOs of Wall street corporations and banks when they talk about salary caps, but never mention movie stars and Left wing writers?

I have much less of a problem with a corporate CEO getting a 7 or even 8 figure bonus for running a company which employes 10s of thousands of people and provides a product or service used by, perhaps millions of Americans, than I do for an "actor" who get paid the same amount for about 3 to 6 weeks of "work" pretending to be someone else by reading words other people have written for him/her.

Libs don't like people that work hard.

The only problem I have with actors is their hypocracy. They're sitting on piles of money, (probably offshore), and spew the lib crap that rich people and corporations are bad.

Other than that............this is America. Everybody should be able to go out and make as much money as they can honestly earn. The sky is the limit. This new "hate the rich" mantra is an obamanation.

I want it to be legal for several reason:
1. Giving the consenting adults the freedom to choose what to smoke it or not with out fear of censore
2. Another taxed stream
3. Eliminates a cash stream for scum bag criminals

Quote from: RevStan on November 16, 2012, 10:08:50 PM
Some states seem to defy washington on the rules on marijauna. I am just asking where you stand as a patriotic american.

You consistently misspelled "marijuana."

But lets be fair talking about the wealthy.
I have always hated the term 'job creator'. It was very effective in classing all rich as the only job creators. Which is complete bull. What about small business owners and the like. and if they loss another red sent then they would threat the people with 'uncertainty' which would mean they would not create more jobs. Manipulation like that really grinds my gears.

Also the name was used to soften up voters to more tax cuts for the ultra rich.

So to them I'll tell you what I was told at the bar last 'I think you've had enough'. 

Which is a fair assessment in my mind.

Quote from: Stanthemilkman on November 04, 2013, 10:56:20 PM
But lets be fair talking about the wealthy.
I have always hated the term 'job creator'. It was very effective in classing all rich as the only job creators. Which is complete bull. What about small business owners and the like. and if they loss another red sent then they would threat the people with 'uncertainty' which would mean they would not create more jobs. Manipulation like that really grinds my gears.

Also the name was used to soften up voters to more tax cuts for the ultra rich.

So to them I'll tell you what I was told at the bar last 'I think you've had enough'. 

Which is a fair assessment in my mind.

I'm thinking maybe you'd had enough before you started typing this foolishness.

I'm not going to waste my time putting up graphs and charts -- there are plenty on this board and elsewhere you can consult to get a grip on who actually pays taxes in the United States. More to the point, I think, is the fact that nearly half of all "taxpayers" aren't taxpayers at all. They either pay nothing whatsoever, or get a "refund" of taxes never paid in the first place.

No, of course the "rich" aren't the only job creators. Who ever said they were? The source of uncertainty in the job market is not those doing the hiring -- it's those doing the governing. The hiring class can ALWAYS be depended upon to hire when business is good, to fire when business is bad, and to hesitate when things are clouded in uncertainty -- almost always by the government.

Oh, and it's "red cent," not "red sent." Pennies are cents. Before you make pronouncements on the manipulations practiced by the "rich," you might want to learn to manipulate the English language with a bit more skill.