http://www.boston.com/2013/07/17/dems-pin-immigration-hopes-gop-ryan/u6eTsl2D4aMAttcsUR8cVN/story.html

''Paul Ryan says we cannot have a permanent underclass of Americans, that there needs to be a pathway to citizenship,'' says Rep. Luis Gutierrez, D-Ill., who has been working relentlessly on immigration legislation. ''He is my guiding light. I know I get him in trouble every time I say it.''

Aint that special. Also, we  may see here why Ryan is pushing so hard for amnesty so a company in his district can get  cheap labor. The rep party is beyond  filth.

"Ryan also represents a southeast Wisconsin district in a state that relies on the manufacturers of Waukesha engines, Kohler generators and numerous supply chains. The companies are counting on immigrants to fill future factory jobs."

How would you solve the illegal immigrant problem?

Quote from: Mountainshield on July 18, 2013, 06:12:52 AM
How would you solve the illegal immigrant problem?

Illegal aliens are not Americans! I expected so much better of this man.

well they are a problem
And their children will be americans

Watched Niall Ferguson the other day a speech from 2010 where he stated an answer to a question how the world look in 2021 he said the US will have chosen its future path to either europeanize by expanding unsustainable wellfare state and running inflation or making the hard choices now and save it's economy (and behold in 2012 the US chose Europe rather than Founding Fathers, off to a very bad start) , in addition the ethnic demographic picture of the US is changing rapidly which will have political consequences we have not experienced yet.

There is nothing "natural" about latin americans being democrat, there is nothing natural to latin americans in being communist, quite the opposite latin americans are today some of the hardest and most anti communist peoples of the world. Even in latin american communist countries you have anti communist guerrillas, and Colombia's main political party has as its platform "everything to stop communism" something white people are terrified of stating.

On the contrary to fearmongering over democratic supremacy in latin american community, latin americans are tougher/stronger conservatives than most white europeans and european descended americans.

Many of these illegals are fleeing communism/socialism in the first place, the GOP and conservatives need to get these into the fold, americanize them and make the founding fathers equally important to them as the other post 1776 immigrant descended if you ask me.

If you deny they are a problem, or are in favor of doing nothing, or in favor of doing something as politically impossible as creating a national task force to "throw out" illegal immigrants you are in favor of the status quo, and I think you are insane if you think the status quo is sustainable. In addition even if one was able to throw out all illegal immigrants then where would you throw them? Mexico will just throw them back if you send them there. And Cuba is such a nice place to live people paddle on makeshift boats to flee that socialist "paradise".

Nobody said we're in favor of doing nothing. That's the Democrat response. We favor enforcing the laws. Democrats think that's mean. Im tired of them setting he rules and the talking points.

BTW,  there's no reason their children must become Americans

Quote from: Yawn on July 18, 2013, 06:54:27 AM
Nobody said we're in favor of doing nothing. That's the Democrat response. We favor enforcing the laws. Democrats think that's mean. Im tired of them setting he rules and the talking points.

BTW,  there's no reason their children must become Americans

well nice of you of dodging my entire post. Unfortunatly enforcing existing laws will not solve the problem and

Quote"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside." -Section 1 of the 14th Amendment 

LMAO, you should enforce the law not simply because it's easy or difficult, you should do so because it's the damned law.  We either follow our own laws, or we live in chaos and filth.

I'd rather suffer the slings and arrows of libs and pretend conservatives, than claim that the country's laws should be ignored just for convenience and political gamesmanship.

Great, yet another 75% conservative.  We need to not enforce laws.

The fair thing would be to tell them to go back to mexico and get  in line.

So in other words you guys haven't got a clue on how to solve the issue of illegal immigration, I was hoping to get my ass kicked in this thread but I have to continue to stick with Ryan since you don't have any arguments against him, at least he is making the best possible solution given the toxic climate and is trying to save your republic instead of just whining without having any ideas on how to solve it. And you should remember not all these illegals are from Mexico, and Mexican government will never get people to "get in line" when the wellfare/crime money they recieve in the US is capital drain benefitting mexico.

Quote from: Mountainshield on July 18, 2013, 06:12:52 AM
How would you solve the illegal immigrant problem?

I would do several things:

1 - Stop the inflow first and foremost.  No one is serious about the border unless they make that the first thing to do.  What should we do after?  Trivial and irrelevant.  Stop the inflow right now.  Then let's talk about immigration policy.

2 - Improve systems to catch fraud in documentation, etc.  It is way to easy for Julio to get a fake SSN (hey, Hussein did it).  An illegal should be able to prove they are citizens.  If not, arrest them and hold them until they come up with money to be released.  Every time they are seen, they are arrested, and the fine goes up.  They are put to work while incarcerated.

3 - Make it very hard for an illegal immigrant to work.  That will cause them to self-deport.

4 - Cut off any and all subsidies.  Does this mean turn away an illegal car crash victim in the emergency room?  Yes.  Cut off any food?  Yes.  Mexicans are resourceful.  They'll feed their kids.

These are just a few ideas...

Quote from: taxed on July 19, 2013, 12:41:55 AM
I would do several things:

1 - Stop the inflow first and foremost.  No one is serious about the border unless they make that the first thing to do.  What should we do after?  Trivial and irrelevant.  Stop the inflow right now.  Then let's talk about immigration policy.

2 - Improve systems to catch fraud in documentation, etc.  It is way to easy for Julio to get a fake SSN (hey, Hussein did it).  An illegal should be able to prove they are citizens.  If not, arrest them and hold them until they come up with money to be released.  Every time they are seen, they are arrested, and the fine goes up.  They are put to work while incarcerated.

3 - Make it very hard for an illegal immigrant to work.  That will cause them to self-deport.

4 - Cut off any and all subsidies.  Does this mean turn away an illegal car crash victim in the emergency room?  Yes.  Cut off any food?  Yes.  Mexicans are resourceful.  They'll feed their kids.

These are just a few ideas...

(1) You know I laughed my ass off when I had to change flights at an American airport, first off people with drivers licenced were allowed to rush through security whereas people with passports were scrutinized for minutes. Its extremely easy to create a fake drivers licence (especially american ones) so my point in saying this is how do you propose to stop the inflow and secure the border given that the TSA let through incredible amounts of illegals even with all their electronic and advanced systems?

(2) I completely agree with this, and I guess you answered part of my previous question with this. I just watched a panel on Jonah Goldberg book liberal fascism (I have only read half of it to date most is analogies we as conservatives already know but its an awesome book) and they were talking about Fascism. US progressives and liberals loved fascism because it allows for huge mobilization of workers to complete works of grandeour in the way that the Soviet Union used slave labor to build its canals, highways and industrial capacity, so why are they against using prison labor? In Norway we have huge amounts of copper and coal deposits that are economically unfeasible but could be mined with prison workers, of course its all about theraphy here, even breivik has a 4 room prison "cell" with own computer/tv.

(3) What? And accept higher consumer goods prices?!? I guess you want trade tariffs against china too ;)

(4) Well this would certainly go straight to the heart of the problem and fix it both short and long term. Short term it would eliminate huge amounts of the biggest sector of government spending allowing for immiediate savings and long term as you stated with point number 3 it would cause illegal immigrants to self deport and deter any future illegal immigration. A problem we have in Norway now is spaniards and greeks fleeing to Norway then when they get here complain about Norwegian society being racist as they can't find work because they don't speak Norwegian or don't know the culture. The socialist government wants to build a special high paid jobs programme for illegal immigrants here...