Quote from: The Boo Man... on February 27, 2013, 06:32:19 PM
Well that clears it up. I wish they would get their crap straight before they come here. According to him Corporate Welfare is when a corporation donates to a political group.

We haven't gotten that far yet... we're still working on his quoting abilities...

Quote from: John Barth on February 27, 2013, 06:18:34 PM
Again with solar electric? As I said once, it's among the least green of the greens. And, as I said several times, supsalemgr's thread is about wind. Do straw men make you feel like you're not floundering?

It's where the lion share of our treasury was spent.

QuoteWhat part of TP reality do you not get? They luv dem dat corporate welfare.

No we do not, in fact it will be on the chopping block once we kick the libs out of the GOP.

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Got it, you've missed the entire point. If fossil fuels are allowed to externalize their air pollution, water pollution, flattened mountains, health disasters, etc. costs off on all of us rather than having these costs show up in the consumer price, that's not a "Free mkt" at all. That's private profit with socialized harm.

We actually agree on something, problem is, it's both party's causing the problem, look into the Tea party and forget the media BS you've heard about it, you'll be shocked to find out you agree with them more than the Dems.

QuoteYep, it's peanuts compared to what fossil fuels and nukes get, everyone knows that. Oh, and most of the loans have not failed and it was a Shrub program, anyhow. Didn't you know?

Solyndra. Do I really need to go down the list for you? Then there is the boondoggle of solar plants out in the desert miles from the grid costing billions to construct and only producing a quarter of what they originally purported.

QuoteYeah, that's it, you haven't been exploited and co-opted by corporate lap dogs at all.

Welcome to an over bearing Big Govt, something the Tea party wants to gut.

QuoteNow you're just making things up out of thin air. Even the authors never said it was mediation for regulation. You're a hoot!

I didn't claim that was the only reason, it was the start, now it's who can grease who's hand the most, and it needs to stop.

Quote from: taxed on February 27, 2013, 06:32:54 PM
We haven't gotten that far yet... we're still working on his quoting abilities...

*sigh*

Where are the training wheels...

QuoteJohn, let me see if I can walk you through the process.
When you  hit quote, go to the bottom of the page and copy the last word which will be a quote in brackets, once you've copied, delete the one you copied.
Now go to the top of the page and go to the end of the sentence you want to quote and paste it there.
Click enter and then write your reply.

This was the hard part, you're almost done.

Now highlight the next sentence/paragraph you want to quote, go up to the bottom row of icons and look for this one fourth from the right, and click it and hit enter again, then write your reply, just keep repeating this and your posts will come out like the rest.
Thanks, we're really not that mean, we just want everyone to be able to read what you're trying to say.

Really, all that rather than just clicking on the quote button and having it be a quote? Was your format set up by chimps? Screw it, I'm just going to use the quote box and y'all can figure out who said it.

Quote from: John Barth on February 27, 2013, 06:41:02 PM
Really, all that rather than just clicking on the quote button and having it be a quote? Was your format set up by chimps?

I'm trying to help you here, but  if you don't care that other libs are cringing over your inability to grasp simple concepts, then there is nothing any of us can do to help you.

QuoteSo far, his point is conservatives support subsidies because the county of the town with the windmills voted for Brown.

You are confused. Conservatives have long supported massive direct and indirect subsidies for nukes and fossil fuels. My only point about Falmouth was that supsalemgr flubbed in calling it "liberal" since it's at most moderate, and that he duped a bunch of you in the process. The connection is that conservatives screech and screech about green subsidies while ignoring the far bigger ones. It's petty partisanship, not honesty or principle. The mote-beam adage comes to mind.

I see that The Boo Man believed your incorrect interpretation:

QuoteWell that clears it up. I wish they would get their crap straight before they come here. According to him Corporate Welfare is when a corporation donates to a political group.

Reminds me of how many of y'all believed supsalemgr that Falmouth is liberal without checking for yourselves.

To his credit, though, The Boo Man creates his own silliness. Corporate welfare is when government massively favors corporations, like with fossil fuels and nukes. When a corporation donates to a politician it's bribery, when it donates to a political group it's just making astroturf.

QuoteMost of their talking points come from Media Matters, DNC page or People's World.

I don't peruse MM and I'm neither a Dem nor a commie. You have a vivid imagination.

Quote from: John Barth on February 27, 2013, 06:53:44 PM
You are confused. Conservatives have long supported massive direct and indirect subsidies for nukes and fossil fuels.

I'm asking you one more time to prove it.

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My only point about Falmouth was that supsalemgr flubbed in calling it "liberal" since it's at most moderate,

Solar proved it is a liberal town.  You have not posted any data on the town.

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and that he duped a bunch of you in the process.

How so?

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The connection is that conservatives screech and screech about green subsidies while ignoring the far bigger ones. It's petty partisanship, not honesty or principle. The mote-beam adage comes to mind.

Final request.  Please post proof conservatives/Tea Party supports subsidies.

Quote from: John Barth on February 27, 2013, 06:53:44 PM
You are confused. Conservatives have long supported massive direct and indirect subsidies for nukes and fossil fuels.

Wrong, Republicans/RINO support subsidies, not Conservatives.

QuoteMy only point about Falmouth was that supsalemgr flubbed in calling it "liberal" since it's at most moderate, and that he duped a bunch of you in the process. The connection is that conservatives screech and screech about green subsidies while ignoring the far bigger ones. It's petty partisanship, not honesty or principle. The mote-beam adage comes to mind.

Then you go through the numbers and show me where it's not a Dim town.

http://www.falmouthmass.us/deppage.php?number=29

QuoteI'm trying to help you here, but  if you don't care that other libs are cringing over your inability to grasp simple concepts, then there is nothing any of us can do to help you.

What other lefties? Certainly none in this thread. My understanding is that they get banned by your censors before too long. That's why I'm trying not to engage in the childish personal attacks y'all have been since page 2, I've heard about the double standard here.

Quote from: John Barth on February 27, 2013, 06:53:44 PM
You are confused. Conservatives have long supported massive direct and indirect subsidies for nukes and fossil fuels. My only point about Falmouth was that supsalemgr flubbed in calling it "liberal" since it's at most moderate, and that he duped a bunch of you in the process. The connection is that conservatives screech and screech about green subsidies while ignoring the far bigger ones. It's petty partisanship, not honesty or principle. The mote-beam adage comes to mind.

The one confused is YOU. Learn the difference between ideology and party affiliation. Educate yourself before continuing here.

Quote from: John Barth on February 27, 2013, 07:00:34 PM
What other lefties? Certainly none in this thread. My understanding is that they get banned by your censors before too long. That's why I'm trying not to engage in the childish personal attacks y'all have been since page 2, I've heard about the double standard here.

'The revilement is a derivative of your posts, when you say ignorant things, you can expect it to be followed by a harassing post.
The libs I speak of are in the guest list, to assume only Conservatives read this forum is just another of your ignorant posts, which I will not follow up with an insult.
Do you seriously think all of those 97 guests, currently on, (97 Guests, 16 Users) or the 20104 that were on today were all Conservative?

I smell retread...

QuoteIt's where the lion share of our treasury was spent.

Green loans? Not hardly. Budget much?

QuoteNo we do not, in fact it will be on the chopping block once we kick the libs out of the GOP.

I fully support your party's self destruction.

QuoteWe actually agree on something, problem is, it's both party's causing the problem,

I'm no fan of the Dems.

Quotelook into the Tea party and forget the media BS you've heard about it, you'll be shocked to find out you agree with them more than the Dems.

Too many nutcases.

QuoteSolyndra. Do I really need to go down the list for you? Then there is the boondoggle of solar plants out in the desert miles from the grid costing billions to construct and only producing a quarter of what they originally purported.

Some failed, most have not. I only support the attempts at all as a means of leveling the field a bit with the more massive subsidies to nukes and fossil fuels, like the TP-funding Kochs get. End those and I'd be fine with nary a dime going to green industry.

QuoteWelcome to an over bearing Big Govt, something the Tea party wants to gut.

Any hope for effectiveness the sincere libertarian believers once had has been co-opted by the GOP and gutted by the social con wingnuts. Not their fault, our system does not make room for 3rd parties or extremists on either end like parliamentary ones do. Feel free to keep beating your head against the wall though, the Dems are loving the show.

QuoteI didn't claim that was the only reason, it was the start, now it's who can grease who's hand the most, and it needs to stop.

Have the TPers done anything, anything at all, about joining with the non-corporatist Dems to get the big money out of politics? Of course not, they're sucking at the same teat you claim to descry.

And John, people only get banned here for a few reasons, one is trolling, posting for the sake of getting a rise, and not acting like adults.
One was actually banned for refusing to use the quote function, a process everyone eventually masters, but this guy flat out refused.
You on the other hand are fine, I have faith you too will get the quote thingy down, I too had a problem with it years ago, but after about 10 tries I finally figured it out.

We have no issue with people not being Conservative on this site, we do however take issue with (SIP) Stupid In Public, and no, you are not guilty of that one either, ill informed, definitely, but not stupid.

All we ask is good old fashion back and forth debate, and that claims be backed up with fact, of course within reason, and we do not accept opinion sites as a source to back up claims, and WIKI is laughed at most of the time, so avoid that one as well, considering most of it is opinion.

Just keep posting, no one wants you banned, anyway, I don't.