Quote from: Turks on January 24, 2013, 09:06:31 AM
We highlight Bush's spending but never mention the money wasted on the stimulus.   Solyndra?    And a lot of it was wasted and used as payback.

I know, we have gone over Bush's faults, and why each of them happened ad nausium even in the short time I have been here. I can't imagine how tired the guys are who have been here have had to provide links to the same info.  We should just have a thread with all the links in one place proving that while Bush was no conservative, awesome, bastion of conservatism, he wasn't satan either.  By the looks of the graph I posted Obama's spending just might reach FDRs.    It is certainly on the same trajectory.

I agree and I'd like to know at what point does Obama own what he does?

Four years in and it's still Boooooooooosh.  He bears responsibility no doubt, but if you listen to the other side...Obama bears none.  Somewhere between 4.5 and 6 trillion of "it's not my fault...ever"is getting real old.



It's Official: Worst. Recovery. EVER



http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-01-24/its-official-worst-recovery-ever




And The Reason For Today's Five Years Initial Claims Low Is...


http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-01-24/and-reason-todays-five-years-initial-claims-low

The same way liberals discount or overlook Obama's failures, you're doing the same to Bush JustKari.


Call him for what he is, a shit president. Same as Obama.

Quote from: redlom xof on January 24, 2013, 09:18:58 AM
The same way liberals discount or overlook Obama's failures, you're doing the same to Bush JustKari.


Call him for what he is, a shit president. Same as Obama.

I think I am pretty honest that Bush was not a fantastic president, but he just is not as bad as libs paint him. 

Quote from: JustKari on January 24, 2013, 09:40:14 AM
I think I am pretty honest that Bush was not a fantastic president, but he just is not as bad as libs paint him.

He was far from perfect but if he was indeed a "shit" President where does that leave Obama?

Quote from: EHMakeup on January 23, 2013, 06:52:10 PM
A whole list of things, and you pick one thing? Let alone the one thing that has been shown to have been inaccurate intelligence that misrepresented the facts? We may have had a legal right, but that doesn't make it the right choice in retrospect.

See, this is where liberals don't get or deserve respect.

You start by using all the buzzwords to suggest illegal invasion, then when corrected, you quickly change your stance to something squishy and undefinable, just "it's wrong no matter what you prove to me about it".

And the complaint about "one thing".  Each and every thing can be spoofed, in your little diatribe.

All it is, is dipsey doodle, duck and dodge, rope-a-dope with you guys.  Always one more turn away from the actual truth or logic.

It wouldn't be as bad if it was just random jokers on the internet.  But as we saw yesterday, the people at the very top of our governmnet have become dedicated experts at it, even in matters of death, crime, and treason.

Quote from: EHMakeup on January 24, 2013, 08:04:24 AM
My point was not to blame former President Bush,

...usually when a lib says this, they are about to post inaccurate information on the subject...

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but there are simple facts that exist, that do not go away. Financially speaking, President Bush did contribute to the economic failures we are suffering from now.

How did Bush hurt the economy?  Please elaborate.

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Tax cuts,

Tax cuts NEVER hurt the economy.  Libs desperately want this to be true, but have never been able to explain how people will spend more with less money.  If you use this logic, then we would be in a boom economy with a 90% tax rate.  Letting people keep their income they earned will NEVER hurt the economy.

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in conjunction with two wars,

More false propaganda.  Read #2:
http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2010/06/the-three-biggest-myths-about-tax-cuts-and-the-budget-deficit

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an now new revenue coming in, is a recipe for disaster.

In 2007, federal revenue was the highest in HISTORY.  When taxes are reduced, federal revenues increase.  This very simple, basic concept causes liberals to go into a meltdown when they are forced to discuss it.

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Add in the deregulation of the financial sector by the Secretary of Treasury, and we were doomed to end up here.

Do you know what deregulation is?  Please research it so you can understand it.

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I would also like to state for the record, I am not a supporter of President Obama.

You can't parrot his propaganda down the line, line by line, and say you don't support Obama.  You are a devout Obama supporter, simply by being uninformed.

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I didn't vote for him, nor would I given another opportunity. In my perfect world someone like Jon Huntsman would be President, but because of our current electoral system, candidates like him don't have a shot. My point is that I am not some leftist, follow the dems like a sheep, progressive. I do, however think that ignoring the past dooms you to repeat it, and I'm not going to forget what President Bush or President Obama has done to hurt this country. But I'm not going to blame one or the other singularly.

Young lady, you can't compare Bush to Hussein Obama.  Bush couldn't have destroyed our country like Hussein Obama has if he tried.  Please get up to speed on the fiscal destruction between the two, because they don't compare.

Quote from: redlom xof on January 24, 2013, 09:18:58 AM
The same way liberals discount or overlook Obama's failures, you're doing the same to Bush JustKari.


Call him for what he is, a shit president. Same as Obama.

Don't compare the two.  Bush was bad.  Obama is a destructive menace devoted to our destruction.

Quote from: redlom xof on January 24, 2013, 09:18:58 AM
The same way liberals discount or overlook Obama's failures, you're doing the same to Bush JustKari.


Call him for what he is, a shit president. Same as Obama.

Bush did stupid stuff, such as falling for the liberal scams on stimulus, medicaire and immigration.

But his tax cuts did work, and even helped defray the costs associated with the dotcom bust and 9-11.

He undertook 2 wars with the approval of the dems and UN, who all agreed on WMD.  So you have NOTHING there but a menu of your favorite lies from the left.

His military and intel during the wars set the table for Obama to come in on the tale end, and give himself huge credit for some good things.

He was a decent, patriotic, reverent American who didn't use the White House to push his beliefs on anyone.

NOW......you can pretty well flip every one of these and illustrate with real data how Obama has done just about the opposite, ass-backwards.

Quote from: taxed on January 24, 2013, 10:00:57 AM
Don't compare the two.  Bush was bad.  Obama is a destructive menace devoted to our destruction.

It's their mythology.  No matter how many times they are corrected or spoofed with the details, they will just say it again as though it's true if they say it.

Bush was average to good.  He did some things that he shouldn't have, that really hurt his credibility as a conservative.

But the logic of bitching about deficits during the dotcom recession, 9-11 recession, and 2 wars (fully approved by dems and UN) is moronic.  You may as well complain about the spending during WW2.

But you see, there must be a fake narrative to avoid the truth of Obama as worst president ever, and his instant 6 trillion in bigger deficit from just profligate spending, and wars that he swore he would end on day 1.

The liberals' narrative is so incredibly stupid that they have now announced that the recession probably can't be corrected for another 4-8 years, giving Obama convenient cover for sucking for 8 full years.  They also will be blaming Bush for the full 8 years (16 total lol), and even heaping more idiocy on top with various blames for.......get this......Reagan !!!

Quote from: AndyJackson on January 24, 2013, 10:15:21 AM
It's their mythology.  No matter how many times they are corrected or spoofed with the details, they will just say it again as though it's true if they say it.

Bush was average to good.  He did some things that he shouldn't have, that really hurt his credibility as a conservative.

But the logic of bitching about deficits during the dotcom recession, 9-11 recession, and 2 wars (fully approved by dems and UN) is moronic.  You may as well complain about the spending during WW2.

But you see, there must be a fake narrative to avoid the truth of Obama as worst president ever, and his instant 6 trillion in bigger deficit from just profligate spending, and wars that he swore he would end on day 1.

The liberals' narrative is so incredibly stupid that they have now announced that the recession probably can't be corrected for another 4-8 years, giving Obama convenient cover for sucking for 8 full years.  They also will be blaming Bush for the full 8 years (16 total lol), and even heaping more idiocy on top with various blames for.......get this......Reagan !!!

I'll never understand the liberal hypocrisy.  They blame Bush for doing far less of what Hussein does.  I don't get it.

Just because points out that Bush was a terrible president doesn't make them a liberal or an Obama supporter.

You are both living in this world where you have to be either a liberal or republican.

QuoteBush was average to good.

A man that puts trillions of dollars into the deficit and you call him average to good. You're a funny sort of conservative.

I laid it all out for you.....dotcom recession, 9-11 recession, two wars approved by both houses, dems, UN.

But you'll have none of that....all you need is snarky smarmy quips to soothe your wrongness.

And THAT is what shows that you're a liberal at least as much as your skewed beliefs.

Ignore facts and data, make it up as you go.

Quote from: taxed on January 24, 2013, 10:18:06 AM
I'll never understand the liberal hypocrisy.  They blame Bush for doing far less of what Hussein does.  I don't get it.

It is interesting that libs always want to blame Bush because of the tax cuts. However, they never mention the real reason. He allowed the Congress to spend like crazy when he could have vetoed so much of the wasteful spending.

Quote from: redlom xof on January 24, 2013, 10:24:25 AM
Just because points out that Bush was a terrible president doesn't make them a liberal or an Obama supporter.

You are both living in this world where you have to be either a liberal or republican.


A man that puts trillions of dollars into the deficit and you call him average to good. You're a funny sort of conservative.

Do not think so young man.  Independent, Communist, Scholastic.