Quote from: EHMakeup on January 23, 2013, 06:52:10 PM
A whole list of things, and you pick one thing? Let alone the one thing that has been shown to have been inaccurate intelligence that misrepresented the facts? We may have had a legal right, but that doesn't make it the right choice in retrospect.

Of course it does. The intel might have been "faulty" But it should never have come to that. It was not our responsibility to prove he had WMD's...

We cal always finish the list next...

Quote from: The Boo Man... on January 23, 2013, 06:54:49 PM
Of course it does. The intel might have been "faulty" But it should never have come to that. It was not our responsibility to prove he had WMD's...

We cal always finish the list next...

Why was it our responsibility? I'm curious about how, out of all the nations in the world, it became our responsibility, when no one asked us to do it?

Quote from: EHMakeup on January 23, 2013, 06:59:25 PM
Why was it our responsibility? I'm curious about how, out of all the nations in the world, it became our responsibility, when no one asked us to do it?

The first gulf war. It was our responsibility along with every other country in the coalition involved in the first gulf war.

Quote from: The Boo Man... on January 23, 2013, 07:06:34 PM
The first gulf war. It was our responsibility along with every other country in the coalition involved in the first gulf war.

OK, just checking the logic here. So because we did it once before to protect a sovereign nation from invaders, we invaded a sovereign nation decades later? Do I have that right?

Quote from: EHMakeup on January 23, 2013, 07:21:39 PM
OK, just checking the logic here. So because we did it once before to protect a sovereign nation from invaders, we invaded a sovereign nation decades later? Do I have that right?

Nope. You obviously have no understanding of the first gulf war.

Quote from: The Boo Man... on January 23, 2013, 07:24:28 PM
Nope. You obviously have no understanding of the first gulf war.

I take some offense to that considering my step dad was there and we have talked at length about it, but I'll go with you here. Did we not get into the gulf war, because Iraq invaded Kuwait?

Quote from: EHMakeup on January 23, 2013, 07:50:48 PM
I take some offense to that considering my step dad was there and we have talked at length about it, but I'll go with you here. Did we not get into the gulf war, because Iraq invaded Kuwait?

You poor little thing.

You can contact management and file a harassment claim against Bert.

Quote from: taxed on January 23, 2013, 07:53:18 PM
You poor little thing.

You can contact management and file a harassment claim against Bert.

What was your point? You clearly had nothing constructive, or insight to contribute to conversation, so does it just make you feel better about yourself to be rude to people? I have a thick skin, I can take it, keep 'em coming. Clearly you need to insult people to feed your ego. I'm cool with being your target. Insult away, and have fun with it!!!

Quote from: EHMakeup on January 23, 2013, 07:50:48 PM
I take some offense to that considering my step dad was there and we have talked at length about it, but I'll go with you here. Did we not get into the gulf war, because Iraq invaded Kuwait?

No reason to take offense. You have been assuming what my arguments are.  The first gulf war was never actually finished. There was a cease fire in which the coalition agreed to cease military actions in return for certain provisions. One of which Saddam would build not posses WMD's. We know he had them. 1) We gave them to him in the 1980's and 2) He used them on his own people (The Kurds) So since he had them it was his responsibility to prove to us when asked that he no longer had them. He did not do so we had no alternative but to restart military operations.

Quote from: EHMakeup on January 23, 2013, 07:57:57 PM
What was your point? You clearly had nothing constructive, or insight to contribute to conversation, so does it just make you feel better about yourself to be rude to people? I have a thick skin, I can take it, keep 'em coming. Clearly you need to insult people to feed your ego. I'm cool with being your target. Insult away, and have fun with it!!!

I was being serious.  Bert clearly intellectually assaulted you by saying you don't understand the Gulf War.  I can tell you're thick skinned, getting offended by that.

I hope you stay and post and attempt to support liberalism.

Quote from: taxed on January 23, 2013, 08:01:39 PM
I was being serious.  Bert clearly intellectually assaulted you by saying you don't understand the Gulf War.  I can tell you're thick skinned, getting offended by that.

I hope you stay and post and attempt to support liberalism.

So you were serious, but not about anything that had to do with the topic? I do understand the Gulf War, and that is what we were seriously discussing, until you decided a harassment comment was more applicable to the conversation, then actually explaining what I got wrong. As I've said before, I am happy to admit when I'm wrong, but you can't just say I'm wrong with nothing to back it up.

Quote from: EHMakeup on January 23, 2013, 08:05:10 PM
So you were serious, but not about anything that had to do with the topic? I do understand the Gulf War, and that is what we were seriously discussing, until you decided a harassment comment was more applicable to the conversation, then actually explaining what I got wrong. As I've said before, I am happy to admit when I'm wrong, but you can't just say I'm wrong with nothing to back it up.

Having a relative in the Gulf War doesn't make you know more about the Gulf War.  I hope I'm not being too harsh.

Quote from: The Boo Man... on January 23, 2013, 08:01:11 PM
No reason to take offense. You have been assuming what my arguments are.  The first gulf war was never actually finished. There was a cease fire in which the coalition agreed to cease military actions in return for certain provisions. One of which Saddam would build not posses WMD's. We know he had them. 1) We gave them to him in the 1980's and 2) He used them on his own people (The Kurds) So since he had them it was his responsibility to prove to us when asked that he no longer had them. He did not do so we had no alternative but to restart military operations.

Fair enough, however I take issue with some of your facts. He used chemicals weapons on the Kurds, yet the Bush administration claimed the metal tubes they saw being moved through Jordon was evidence of an atomic weapon, and that was reasoning for going into Iraq. The second thing I would say, is it's my understanding that Iraq agreed to the UN's authority on the matter, I don't know that they ever acknowledged our authority. Did I miss something on that?

Quote from: EHMakeup on January 23, 2013, 08:09:56 PM
Fair enough, however I take issue with some of your facts. He used chemicals weapons on the Kurds, yet the Bush administration claimed the metal tubes they saw being moved through Jordon was evidence of an atomic weapon, and that was reasoning for going into Iraq. The second thing I would say, is it's my understanding that Iraq agreed to the UN's authority on the matter, I don't know that they ever acknowledged our authority. Did I miss something on that?

I don't think so but my point still stands. if Saddam owned up to that we would never had gone back in. If he allowed the inspectors full access the Iraq war would never have happened. We would not have invaded and the UN would still be making money off the food for oil deal...

Quote from: taxed on January 23, 2013, 07:53:18 PM
You poor little thing.

You can contact management and file a harassment claim against Bert.

Are you really that insecure you can only make snide remarks as opposed to debating?   You're surrounded by your compatriots here, you're secure.