Hi! I see many trolls on this forum lately, who spill commie propaganda, and each one of them has "I love Conservative Political Forum!" as a personal text, like it is some code for them to recognize each other. I mean, I am not here that often, and I am not from the USA, but they annoy me so much, and what annoys me the most is I see the same commies here on Serbian forums, too, with the same commie propaganda, like they are spreading from one world commie center. I see the forum administration being tolerant towards them, and even answering on their topics. They have done so much damage here in Serbia, even poisoned nationalistic movements, so much that all political forces here are more or less commie now. I was a victim of their commie propaganda for a very long time, believing they were actually patriots. They are those who blame capitalism and USA for everything evil in the world and in our country, even though they have no clue what capitalism is, and what USA is, or at least what it's meant to be. I had a luck to encounter with Ron Paul's texts and videos on internet, and he opened my eyes on true America. (Although we may disagree on that. :cool:) He made me start thinking and researching, and I begun recognizing stupid commie propaganda had poisoned me, too. And what amazes me the most, when I promote capitalism and personal freedom here in my country, everyone on the left and on the right, commies, national-socialists, Christian nationalists, all of them who are every day enemies to each other, will join together to attack me and support each other against me. One call me "a filthy capitalist who wants to get rich on poor people and let them die", others call me "a liberal who wants to destroy their national identity". While I myself am trying to promote traditional, national, Christian values. It is just that I stand for personal freedom which marks me as their enemy. It is so strange, because one could think most people would like personal freedom. But no, most people like totalitarism, they like someone else thinks instead of them, and makes decisions in their lives instead of them. I believe the 21st century will be marked as a century of war for personal freedom. Yet, most people will choose totalitarism, as they are being frightened of personal freedom by stupid commie propaganda.
It's the same here in the US, the GOP is infested with the same scum in leadership positions, From the Speaker, on down, to old time members such as Stockholm Johnnie.
But their time is running out.
Oh and "I love Conservative Political Forum!" is default text, until they change it, they're stuck with it.
Quote from: milos on May 25, 2015, 05:20:47 AMThey have done so much damage here in Serbia, even poisoned nationalistic movements, so much that all political forces here are more or less commie now. I was a victim of their commie propaganda for a very long time, believing they were actually patriots.
What are the politics in Serbia since Clinton bombed the you-know-what out of you?
Excellent post, milo. My heart goes out to you in that situation in Serbia. I will pray for you and your Country.... that truth may be seen. And that you will become an instrument of reform there.
Quote from: milos on May 25, 2015, 05:20:47 AM
Hi! I see many trolls on this forum lately, who spill commie propaganda, and each one of them has "I love Conservative Political Forum!" as a personal text, like it is some code for them to recognize each other. I mean, I am not here that often, and I am not from the USA, but they annoy me so much, and what annoys me the most is I see the same commies here on Serbian forums, too, with the same commie propaganda, like they are spreading from one world commie center. I see the forum administration being tolerant towards them, and even answering on their topics. They have done so much damage here in Serbia, even poisoned nationalistic movements, so much that all political forces here are more or less commie now. I was a victim of their commie propaganda for a very long time, believing they were actually patriots. They are those who blame capitalism and USA for everything evil in the world and in our country, even though they have no clue what capitalism is, and what USA is, or at least what it's meant to be. I had a luck to encounter with Ron Paul's texts and videos on internet, and he opened my eyes on true America. (Although we may disagree on that. :cool:) He made me start thinking and researching, and I begun recognizing stupid commie propaganda had poisoned me, too. And what amazes me the most, when I promote capitalism and personal freedom here in my country, everyone on the left and on the right, commies, national-socialists, Christian nationalists, all of them who are every day enemies to each other, will join together to attack me and support each other against me. One call me "a filthy capitalist who wants to get rich on poor people and let them die", others call me "a liberal who wants to destroy their national identity". While I myself am trying to promote traditional, national, Christian values. It is just that I stand for personal freedom which marks me as their enemy. It is so strange, because one could think most people would like personal freedom. But no, most people like totalitarism, they like someone else thinks instead of them, and makes decisions in their lives instead of them. I believe the 21st century will be marked as a century of war for personal freedom. Yet, most people will choose totalitarism, as they are being frightened of personal freedom by stupid commie propaganda.
I certainly feel for you Milo and can understand your lament on the situation you are faced with. Seems no matter how much the commie machine is debunked we still have that certain bunch that will not be told anything conservative, it has to be the way they invision events to be. Sadly, we've seen what their fantasies entail.
This is one forum that welcomes all opinions but.... commie trash is always invited to leave. The reasons they are invited to leave is obvious in that the junk they try to sell is un-American. Our adm/mods do their work with a diligence and won't allow this forum to be invaded by worthless types.
Come by more often and you'll soon appreciate what this forum tries to do.
The Serbs have been knifed in the back. They have a noble history of standing up to advancing tyranny. From the Battle of Kosovo where Prince Lazar laid down his life stop the musloids, to defying the Nazis in WWII -- The Serbs protected the Jews that were living there and refused to cooperate with the Germans (unlike the Croats and musloids).
The Serbs are anti-communist, anti-Nazi, pro-American, and decent, stand-up people. Exactly the kind of people that lefties hate. So naturally, Clinton and the UN bombed the country to help out the musloids. Now the musloids are committing a quiet genocide against Serbian Christians.
The whole thing makes me sick.
Here's a link. Read it and weep.
http://pamelageller.com/2015/03/what-is-owed-to-the-serbs.html/
Fixed link.
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The Serbs shed much blood in WWI also. I did a tour of WWI cemeteries and read the tombstones of the fallen soldiers. Many Serbian names among them.
Quote from: Bluetick on May 25, 2015, 05:31:44 PM
The Serbs have been knifed in the back. They have a noble history of standing up to advancing tyranny. From the Battle of Kosovo where Prince Lazar laid down his life stop the musloids, to defying the Nazis in WWII -- The Serbs protected the Jews that were living there and refused to cooperate with the Germans (unlike the Croats and musloids).
The Serbs are anti-communist, anti-Nazi, pro-American, and decent, stand-up people. Exactly the kind of people that lefties hate. So naturally, Clinton and the UN bombed the country to help out the musloids. Now the musloids are committing a quiet genocide against Serbian Christians.
The whole thing makes me sick.
Couldn't agree more. That was a bloody stain placed on America by Klinton.
The left took over academia. This is how it was done:
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/florida-professor-bullies-christian-student
http://dailyridge.com/national-news/2015/05/06/story-going-viral-regarding-polk-state-college-professor-flunking-christian-teen/
"It was possible, no doubt, to imagine a society in which wealth, in the sense of personal possessions and luxuries, should be evenly distributed, while power remained in the hands of a small privileged caste. But in practice such a society could not long remain stable. For if leisure and security were enjoyed by all alike, the great mass of human beings who are normally stupefied by poverty would become literate and would learn to think for themselves; and when once they had done this, they would sooner or later realise that the privileged minority had no function, and they would sweep it away. In the long run, a hierarchical society was only possible on a basis of poverty and ignorance."
― George Orwell, 1984
Quote from: Solar on May 25, 2015, 05:52:03 AM
It's the same here in the US, the GOP is infested with the same scum in leadership positions, From the Speaker, on down, to old time members such as Stockholm Johnnie.
But their time is running out.
Oh and "I love Conservative Political Forum!" is default text, until they change it, they're stuck with it.
What the hell is he talking about? I don't see that anyplace! LOL
Quote from: milos on May 25, 2015, 05:20:47 AMIt is just that I stand for personal freedom which marks me as their enemy. It is so strange, because one could think most people would like personal freedom. But no, most people like totalitarism, they like someone else thinks instead of them, and makes decisions in their lives instead of them. I believe the 21st century will be marked as a century of war for personal freedom. Yet, most people will choose totalitarism, as they are being frightened of personal freedom by stupid commie propaganda.
First question I wanted to ask, when I read this was "How old are you, sonny?" Cos it sounds like teenagers lament against grown ups... What kind of "personal freedoms" are you missing in Serbia? You had period of comunists in power, it was time of Yougoslavia, where you had more freedoms then in USSR, and strange coinsidence, as soon as communists lost power, you've got bloody civil war, desintegration of the country, loss of serbian territory, and as a cherry on the pie bombing from western democracies... And you know what? Serbia never will be US, never you will get these "personal freedoms" , whatever they are. Cos it is Serbia, and it is in Europe, and it is on Balkans, where muslims and catolics lives, and germans also not far away... You see, you are, serbs, not as lucky, as americans. Two oceans were not protecting you from invasions and unlike americans, that didn't have strong enemies on the borders, you had and having them today. So, americans could exercise personal freedoms without strong government, they didn't need big army and all that expense, connected with support of big government machine. You, serbs, cannot afford it, and if you you will continue to try this crap, you will have "personal freedoms', but you will not have Serbia. You already lost Kosovo. So, if you like America, you better come and settle in US, don't try this at home. Of course, if you love you country. And as serb, you should know, who is your best friend and ally in the world.
Quote from: kalash on May 26, 2015, 01:12:21 PM
First question I wanted to ask, when I read this was "How old are you, sonny?" Cos it sounds like teenagers lament against grown ups... What kind of "personal freedoms" are you missing in Serbia? You had period of comunists in power, it was time of Yougoslavia, where you had more freedoms then in USSR, and strange coinsidence, as soon as communists lost power, you've got bloody civil war, desintegration of the country, loss of serbian territory, and as a cherry on the pie bombing from western democracies... And you know what? Serbia never will be US, never you will get these "personal freedoms" , whatever they are. Cos it is Serbia, and it is in Europe, and it is on Balkans, where muslims and catolics lives, and germans also not far away... You see, you are, serbs, not as lucky, as americans. Two oceans were not protecting you from invasions and unlike americans, that didn't have strong enemies on the borders, you had and having them today. So, americans could exercise personal freedoms without strong government, they didn't need big army and all that expense, connected with support of big government machine. You, serbs, cannot afford it, and if you you will continue to try this crap, you will have "personal freedoms', but you will not have Serbia. You already lost Kosovo. So, if you like America, you better come and settle in US, don't try this at home. Of course, if you love you country. And as serb, you should know, who is your best friend and ally in the world.
Please share who is the Serbs best friend and ally.
Quote from: daidalos on May 26, 2015, 12:04:58 PM
What the hell is he talking about? I don't see that anyplace! LOL
All newbies start with "I love Conservative Political Forum!" It changes as you gain in post count or you change it yourself!
Quote from: supsalemgr on May 26, 2015, 01:21:20 PM
Please share who is the Serbs best friend and ally.
How do I know, I am not serb.
But, for sure, to qualify in the "Best friend" position, I think answer to question : "Did you reсently bomb the hell out this country, to help muslims" in the registration form for friendship, better be "No"....
Quote from: Solar on May 25, 2015, 05:52:03 AM
It's the same here in the US, the GOP is infested with the same scum in leadership positions, From the Speaker, on down, to old time members such as Stockholm Johnnie.
But their time is running out.
Oh and "I love Conservative Political Forum!" is default text, until they change it, they're stuck with it.
Ah, thank you for this explanation, I don't remember I had that personal text when I joined. But, if someone doesn't care to personalize his personal text, then it talks something, too.
Quote from: Dori on May 25, 2015, 10:19:39 AM
What are the politics in Serbia since Clinton bombed the you-know-what out of you?
Well, one of the reasons for bombing was to remove President Milošević. Actually, most people were against him, but during the bombing, as it always happens, people became more supportive of each other, the crimes were reduced to zero, and everyone was willing to help each other, a huge patriotic spirit was raised. So, in that circumstances, President Milošević regained the support he had at the beginning of his political career. But, what brought him down again, and proved fatal for him, was the fact he surrendered to NATO after 78 days of bombing. Because, most people were feeling we could win that war, and blamed President Milošević for treason. But, the so called "democratic" forces who gained the power after him, were even worse. They are the most ugly type of commies in disguise as "democrats", or, they are the same as Liberals in the USA. People were fooled once again. And it seems impossible to elect an honest politician, if there is any. So, we have a weird situation, where the opposition, both on the Left and on the Right, calls those "democrats" on power "liberal capitalists", and they want to return to some kind of socialism again, although we haven't seen any capitalism here since 1941.
And you surely understand why I wouldn't like to see another Clinton as the US president.
Quote from: kroz on May 25, 2015, 02:59:46 PM
Excellent post, milo. My heart goes out to you in that situation in Serbia. I will pray for you and your Country.... that truth may be seen. And that you will become an instrument of reform there.
Thank you. I hope the people here will return to traditional values we had before the World War Two.
Quote from: keyboarder on May 25, 2015, 03:24:12 PM
I certainly feel for you Milo and can understand your lament on the situation you are faced with. Seems no matter how much the commie machine is debunked we still have that certain bunch that will not be told anything conservative, it has to be the way they invision events to be. Sadly, we've seen what their fantasies entail.
This is one forum that welcomes all opinions but.... commie trash is always invited to leave. The reasons they are invited to leave is obvious in that the junk they try to sell is un-American. Our adm/mods do their work with a diligence and won't allow this forum to be invaded by worthless types.
Come by more often and you'll soon appreciate what this forum tries to do.
Thank you for your support. :wink:
Quote from: Bluetick on May 25, 2015, 05:31:44 PM
The Serbs have been knifed in the back. They have a noble history of standing up to advancing tyranny. From the Battle of Kosovo where Prince Lazar laid down his life stop the musloids, to defying the Nazis in WWII -- The Serbs protected the Jews that were living there and refused to cooperate with the Germans (unlike the Croats and musloids).
The Serbs are anti-communist, anti-Nazi, pro-American, and decent, stand-up people. Exactly the kind of people that lefties hate. So naturally, Clinton and the UN bombed the country to help out the musloids. Now the musloids are committing a quiet genocide against Serbian Christians.
The whole thing makes me sick.
Thank you for your post, it is absolutely true. Since the beginning of the final liberation from Ottoman Turks in 1804, Serbians were developing in a classical liberal way. We were one among the first countries to reject feudalism, and we leaned towards personal liberty. In 1835, we adopted a constitution which was called "a French garden into a Turkish backyard", it was so (classically) liberal that the great powers of that time didn't allow us to use it, and a Turkish constitution was brought back. It became a struggle between our people on the one side, who wanted more freedom, and our rulers on the other side, who wanted to keep their autocracy and were backed by the great powers. That is why most of our country leaders were assassinated or expelled. After The Congres of Berlin in 1878, we were finally recognized as a fully independent state. In 1888, we adopted a constitution which was so (classically) liberal that it had just one article about the press, and it stated: "The press is free." It was the reason for our king to abdicate. Communism was imposed into us in 1944 by the will of the great powers - United Kingdom, Soviet Union, United States - our so-called allies, although Serbian nationalist forces were saving American pilots who were shot down. Before that, Serbia was the most anti-communist country in the Balkans. Before 1944, if a regular Serb encountered with a communist, he would just shoot him on the scene. So, the communists shot some 50 000 to 500 000 Serbian nationalists after the war in revenge, the true number was never revealed, and now we are a changed nation, almost completely poisoned by communist way of thinking.
Quote from: milos on May 27, 2015, 02:16:56 AM
Since the beginning of the final liberation from Ottoman Turks in 1804, Serbians were developing in a classical liberal way.
We were one among the first countries to reject feudalism, and we leaned towards personal liberty. After The Congres of Berlin in 1878, we were finally recognized as a fully independent state.
Milos, thank you for your historical explanation of Serbia's governance. Even though I have driven through your Country, I knew little about it's history beyond the brutal end of Tito's reign. I do have vivid memories of the news of that day!!
You have mentioned your liberation from the Ottoman Turks in 1804.
Believe it or not, I would watch the current leader of Turkey and his ambitions to restore the Ottoman Empire of old. I could see that happening because of his growing popularity among the muslims and his own shrewd political prowess.
That may sound totally bizarre to you, but I would keep a watch over my shoulder if I were you. :wink:
Quote from: kalash on May 26, 2015, 01:12:21 PM
First question I wanted to ask, when I read this was "How old are you, sonny?" Cos it sounds like teenagers lament against grown ups... What kind of "personal freedoms" are you missing in Serbia? You had period of comunists in power, it was time of Yougoslavia, where you had more freedoms then in USSR, and strange coinsidence, as soon as communists lost power, you've got bloody civil war, desintegration of the country, loss of serbian territory, and as a cherry on the pie bombing from western democracies... And you know what? Serbia never will be US, never you will get these "personal freedoms" , whatever they are. Cos it is Serbia, and it is in Europe, and it is on Balkans, where muslims and catolics lives, and germans also not far away... You see, you are, serbs, not as lucky, as americans. Two oceans were not protecting you from invasions and unlike americans, that didn't have strong enemies on the borders, you had and having them today. So, americans could exercise personal freedoms without strong government, they didn't need big army and all that expense, connected with support of big government machine. You, serbs, cannot afford it, and if you you will continue to try this crap, you will have "personal freedoms', but you will not have Serbia. You already lost Kosovo. So, if you like America, you better come and settle in US, don't try this at home. Of course, if you love you country. And as serb, you should know, who is your best friend and ally in the world.
I'm 37, and I'm old enough to be the Yugoslav communist leader Tito's contemporary. I went to a communist grade school, where I was forced to be a Tito's communist pioneer. Once, it happened a mother of one of the students wrote a letter to our teacher, addressing to him as "mister". I know he was anti-communist himself, but he was forced by the school administration to make a whole class of 45 minutes teaching us that to address someone as "mister" is awfully inappropriate, and that we should all address to each other as "comrades". Can you see some personal freedom missed there? It is true we had more personal freedom in the communist Yugoslavia than you had in the Soviet Union. I believe it's due to a fact that our people couldn't sustain more loss of freedom, and communists were afraid of a total people's rebellion, so they decided they should make a balance in order to remain on power. But, any kind of nationalism was strictly forbidden, and would make you being arrested and go to jail. Communists never lost power, they just disguised themselves into democrats, socialists, or nationalists. The old communist secret service created all of the current political parties, and gave roles to some of it's agents to act as democrats, some to act as socialists, and some to act as nationalists. Our political scene is completely fake, they are all one party still.
Why Yugoslavia broke apart and we had a civil war, it is a long story. First of all, the country of Yugoslavia itself was always an artificial creation. Only Serbs wanted it, and even not all of them, but Croatians or Muslims never wanted it. Croatians always wanted their independent state, while Muslims always wanted Turkey to get back here. The war emerged because Serbs found their national interest in keeping Yugoslavia together, because they were scattered all over the country, while all of the others wanted their independent states. I blame the awfully wrong diplomacy of the commie Serbian politicians at that time, who didn't want to understand other peoples in Yugoslavia wanted their freedom, so they tried to keep them into Yugoslavia by force. The other reason Yugoslavia disintegrated was of economic nature. Because, Yugoslav socialist economic system was never sustainable. Once you were employed, the constitution guaranteed you could never lose your job. Companies worked with losses, there was no profit made, we lived on 100 billion $ of US credits we were never obliged to return, and on credits we were given by the IMF, because Yugoslavia was used by NATO to establish the Non-Alignment Movement in order to keep socialist countries out of the Warsaw Treaty. During the 1980s, Yugoslav economy was in total chaos, our national debt was declared uncollectible, we were banned from taking any more loans. So, Yugoslav government started printing more paper money in order to keep the economy in life, and that is why we had a huge inflation. Unemployment was higher than ever, and one third of all employed people were forced on permanent vacation, which meant there was no work for them, but they still received their salaries, because the constitution guaranteed they couldn't lose their jobs. It was an economic hell, a timed bomb.
Now, we have some complete idiots, who claim we lived better under the communism during 1980s. They just want to fool the youth in order to promote their stupid commie agenda. They claim that we had liberal capitalism after the communism, which is a complete lie. We had, and still have, a period called "the transition", which means that communists, disguised as capitalists, stole our national property using our taxpayers' money. Today, it is known fact that both Serbian and Croatian leaders, Slobodan Milošević and Franjo Tuđman, while their peoples were at war during 1990s, jointly stole 100 billion EUR from their peoples, and put them into their mutual bank accounts in Cyprus, France, and United Kingdom. That money was later used for privatization of Serbian national companies. Can you imagine something more disgusting? Those commie thugs have put their nations into war, stole their money, and used it to buy their national companies. It makes me sick and want to puke, it makes my head hurt.
What kind of personal freedoms are we missing? For example, when someone criticizes the government in media, the government calls it "attack on the government" rather than "criticizing the government". Now, we have less political and media freedom than ever. Current political party, called "Serbian Progressive Party", has more than 50% support due to media control. They are former radical nationalists joined together with democrats, and paid by NATO to ruin this country even more. They had no political ideas whatsoever, they just wanted money. And they lead this country more and more towards the EU commie liberal agenda every day. And people will swallow that, because they still present themselves as nationalists and patriots in media, and all media are under their strict control. You can start your private business only if you pay a racket to the politicians on power. Does it look like liberal capitalism? During 1980s, people were dreaming and planning of leaving this country. Today, they just simply ask: "When we are going?"
It doesn't matter how much enemies we had or have today, this people has been always leaning towards personal liberty during it's history, and we still kept our tradition and warrior spirit. In 1888 we adopted one of the most (classical) liberal constitutions in the world, which stated: "The press is free.", as I mentioned before. But imposing the communism on us by the great powers in 1944 spoiled everything. If Russia goes to war, we will stand with Russia 100%, there is no doubt, because of our Slavic and Orthodox Christian origins. But, speaking of political system, we have never get along with Russia. During early 1800s, when we were fighting for final liberation from Turks, Russia wanted to impose it's feudal system on Serbia, but we rejected it. We rejected bolshevik revolution, too, and were the most anti-bolshevik people on the Balkans. We have never idealized our kings or presidents, we always regarded them just as one of us, equal as all other people. That is our Serbian ideal, a true Serb is independent and free person, a true warrior for freedom who doesn't kneel in front of anyone. That is why we have suffered so much.
Quote from: kroz on May 27, 2015, 04:13:22 AM
Milos, thank you for your historical explanation of Serbia's governance. Even though I have driven through your Country, I knew little about it's history beyond the brutal end of Tito's reign. I do have vivid memories of the news of that day!!
You have mentioned your liberation from the Ottoman Turks in 1804.
Believe it or not, I would watch the current leader of Turkey and his ambitions to restore the Ottoman Empire of old. I could see that happening because of his growing popularity among the muslims and his own shrewd political prowess.
That may sound totally bizarre to you, but I would keep a watch over my shoulder if I were you. :wink:
Well, it is not bizarre at all. Turkey is growing stronger, and all Balkan countries are growing weaker. Balkan Muslims are openly inviting Turkey to come back. And then, we had US administration supporting Balkan Muslims during 1990s, which was sad.
Quote from: milos on May 27, 2015, 04:21:06 AM
I'm 37, and I'm old enough to be the Yugoslav communist leader Tito's contemporary.
What? Tito was killed in 1980. What am I missing here?
You were an infant when Tito was killed.
Quote from: milos on May 27, 2015, 04:21:06 AM
I'm 37, and I'm old enough to be the Yugoslav communist leader Tito's contemporary. I went to a communist grade school, where I was forced to be a Tito's communist pioneer. Once, it happened a mother of one of the students wrote a letter to our teacher, addressing to him as "mister". I know he was anti-communist himself, but he was forced by the school administration to make a whole class of 45 minutes teaching us that to address someone as "mister" is awfully inappropriate, and that we should all address to each other as "comrades". Can you see some personal freedom missed there? It is true we had more personal freedom in the communist Yugoslavia than you had in the Soviet Union. I believe it's due to a fact that our people couldn't sustain more loss of freedom, and communists were afraid of a total people's rebellion, so they decided they should make a balance in order to remain on power. But, any kind of nationalism was strictly forbidden, and would make you being arrested and go to jail. Communists never lost power, they just disguised themselves into democrats, socialists, or nationalists. The old communist secret service created all of the current political parties, and gave roles to some of it's agents to act as democrats, some to act as socialists, and some to act as nationalists. Our political scene is completely fake, they are all one party still.
Like I said, it's the same here in the US. They claim a two party system, but the Marxists have infested the GOP leadership, and even though they think they have us fooled with the help of the media, the entire country knows the truth and their end comes in 2016.
Oh, and thanks for this long, yet very informative post, very much appreciated. :thumbup:
QuoteWhy Yugoslavia broke apart and we had a civil war, it is a long story. First of all, the country of Yugoslavia itself was always an artificial creation. Only Serbs wanted it, and even not all of them, but Croatians or Muslims never wanted it. Croatians always wanted their independent state, while Muslims always wanted Turkey to get back here. The war emerged because Serbs found their national interest in keeping Yugoslavia together, because they were scattered all over the country, while all of the others wanted their independent states. I blame the awfully wrong diplomacy of the commie Serbian politicians at that time, who didn't want to understand other peoples in Yugoslavia wanted their freedom, so they tried to keep them into Yugoslavia by force. The other reason Yugoslavia disintegrated was of economic nature. Because, Yugoslav socialist economic system was never sustainable. Once you were employed, the constitution guaranteed you could never lose your job. Companies worked with losses, there was no profit made, we lived on 100 billion $ of US credits we were never obliged to return, and on credits we were given by the IMF, because Yugoslavia was used by NATO to establish the Non-Alignment Movement in order to keep socialist countries out of the Warsaw Treaty. During the 1980s, Yugoslav economy was in total chaos, our national debt was declared uncollectible, we were banned from taking any more loans. So, Yugoslav government started printing more paper money in order to keep the economy in life, and that is why we had a huge inflation. Unemployment was higher than ever, and one third of all employed people were forced on permanent vacation, which meant there was no work for them, but they still received their salaries, because the constitution guaranteed they couldn't lose their jobs. It was an economic hell, a timed bomb.
Now, we have some complete idiots, who claim we lived better under the communism during 1980s. They just want to fool the youth in order to promote their stupid commie agenda. They claim that we had liberal capitalism after the communism, which is a complete lie. We had, and still have, a period called "the transition", which means that communists, disguised as capitalists, stole our national property using our taxpayers' money. Today, it is known fact that both Serbian and Croatian leaders, Slobodan Milošević and Franjo Tuđman, while their peoples were at war during 1990s, jointly stole 100 billion EUR from their peoples, and put them into their mutual bank accounts in Cyprus, France, and United Kingdom. That money was later used for privatization of Serbian national companies. Can you imagine something more disgusting? Those commie thugs have put their nations into war, stole their money, and used it to buy their national companies. It makes me sick and want to puke, it makes my head hurt.
What kind of personal freedoms are we missing? For example, when someone criticizes the government in media, the government calls it "attack on the government" rather than "criticizing the government". Now, we have less political and media freedom than ever. Current political party, called "Serbian Progressive Party", has more than 50% support due to media control. They are former radical nationalists joined together with democrats, and paid by NATO to ruin this country even more. They had no political ideas whatsoever, they just wanted money. And they lead this country more and more towards the EU commie liberal agenda every day. And people will swallow that, because they still present themselves as nationalists and patriots in media, and all media are under their strict control. You can start your private business only if you pay a racket to the politicians on power. Does it look like liberal capitalism? During 1980s, people were dreaming and planning of leaving this country. Today, they just simply ask: "When we are going?"
It doesn't matter how much enemies we had or have today, this people has been always leaning towards personal liberty during it's history, and we still kept our tradition and warrior spirit. In 1888 we adopted one of the most (classical) liberal constitutions in the world, which stated: "The press is free.", as I mentioned before. But imposing the communism on us by the great powers in 1944 spoiled everything. If Russia goes to war, we will stand with Russia 100%, there is no doubt, because of our Slavic and Orthodox Christian origins. But, speaking of political system, we have never get along with Russia. During early 1800s, when we were fighting for final liberation from Turks, Russia wanted to impose it's feudal system on Serbia, but we rejected it. We rejected bolshevik revolution, too, and were the most anti-bolshevik people on the Balkans. We have never idealized our kings or presidents, we always regarded them just as one of us, equal as all other people. That is our Serbian ideal, a true Serb is independent and free person, a true warrior for freedom who doesn't kneel in front of anyone. That is why we have suffered so much.
Well, it is not bizarre at all. Turkey is growing stronger, and all Balkan countries are growing weaker. Balkan Muslims are openly inviting Turkey to come back. And then, we had US administration supporting Balkan Muslims during 1990s, which was sad.
Regardless of what is remembered throughout, and of history, man seems to repeat it for some stupid and circular reason.
Thanks for the explanation Milos. It sounds like we have similar problems with the commies in government. I never did understand our involvement in the Yugoslavia bombings, I still don't know what it was about.
Quote from: milos on May 27, 2015, 04:21:06 AM
But, speaking of political system, we have never get along with Russia. During early 1800s, when we were fighting for final liberation from Turks, Russia wanted to impose it's feudal system on Serbia, but we rejected it.
I don't know what you talking about, when you saying, that Russia were trying to impose feudal system on Serbia in the beginning of 19 century. As far as I knew, until 1856 Russia was only guarantor of chrisitian population in Ottoman empire. After russian-turkish war 1806-1812, according to article VIII of Bucharest peace treaty, Ottoman empire should give autonomy to Serbia, and russain diplomacy was trying to make this happen. I don't know what kind of the political system for Serbia they wanted. But whatever they wanted, first of all Russia wanted to see Serbia free. And at this period of time, I think that was main thing. Independence first and political system second. Of course, I cannot see imperial Russia willing to see Serbia as some kind of France 1793 type, but, hey, it was first half of 19th century and only two republics were in the world - US and Switzerland and one of them had legal slavery. Rest of the world were absolute monarchies or at least constitutional monarchies. But when in the beginning of 19 century part of the Poland and Finland become part of Russian empire, Russia didn't impose feudal system in them.
Quote from: kroz on May 27, 2015, 04:39:32 AM
What? Tito was killed in 1980. What am I missing here?
You were an infant when Tito was killed.
Lol, why do you say Tito was killed, do you know something I don't know? :wink: I was a toddler, but still his contemporary, technically speaking.
Quote from: Solar on May 27, 2015, 04:55:04 AM
Like I said, it's the same here in the US. They claim a two party system, but the Marxists have infested the GOP leadership, and even though they think they have us fooled with the help of the media, the entire country knows the truth and their end comes in 2016.
Oh, and thanks for this long, yet very informative post, very much appreciated. :thumbup:
Regardless of what is remembered throughout, and of history, man seems to repeat it for some stupid and circular reason.
Thank you. I wanted to start a topic about Serbian history long time ago, but I was not sure if it would be welcomed, maybe I'll really try it in the History forum. :cool:
Quote from: Dori on May 27, 2015, 08:24:38 AM
Thanks for the explanation Milos. It sounds like we have similar problems with the commies in government. I never did understand our involvement in the Yugoslavia bombings, I still don't know what it was about.
Ok. I believe it was primarily about finding a reason for NATO to stay in Europe. After the collapse of the Warsaw Treaty, NATO wanted to find another reason for it's existing, in order not to be disbanded. So, they had to push a Serbian-Albanian conflict, so that they could emerge as saviours to Albanians, and establish their military bases in Kosovo. They surely didn't do it because they loved Albanian people that much. There are some other reasons, like stealing natural and economic resources from Kosovo, like coal, minerals, water, electricity. Also, Albanian mafia has a huge drug production center in Kosovo, so it is also about protecting and controlling drug market. I think both Warsaw Treaty and NATO were/are criminal organizations with aim to control other nation's governments, and they should be both dissolved. The same as the UN should be dissolved, too, and all other international organizations which have been created to control the world, like IMF, WTO, World Bank.
Quote from: kalash on May 27, 2015, 01:20:47 PM
I don't know what you talking about, when you saying, that Russia were trying to impose feudal system on Serbia in the beginning of 19 century. As far as I knew, until 1856 Russia was only guarantor of chrisitian population in Ottoman empire. After russian-turkish war 1806-1812, according to article VIII of Bucharest peace treaty, Ottoman empire should give autonomy to Serbia, and russain diplomacy was trying to make this happen. I don't know what kind of the political system for Serbia they wanted. But whatever they wanted, first of all Russia wanted to see Serbia free. And at this period of time, I think that was main thing. Independence first and political system second. Of course, I cannot see imperial Russia willing to see Serbia as some kind of France 1793 type, but, hey, it was first half of 19th century and only two republics were in the world - US and Switzerland and one of them had legal slavery. Rest of the world were absolute monarchies or at least constitutional monarchies. But when in the beginning of 19 century part of the Poland and Finland become part of Russian empire, Russia didn't impose feudal system in them.
During the Russian-Turkish war 1806-1812, Russia was helping in liberation of Serbia from Turks. We had so-called First Serbian Uprising 1804-1813. We appreciated Russian military and political help. But, the leader of the uprising, Karađorđe, was never in good relationships with the Russian emissary, Rodofinikin. Because Rodofinikin wanted to get involved into Serbian internal and foreign affairs, and rule Serbia instead of Serbian leadership. It even happened Karađorđe addressed to Austria for help instead of Russia, but later he gave up on that idea. Serbians were disappointed in Bucharest Peace Treaty, they wanted to continue the war, and felt Russia betrayed them. They wanted full independance, and not authonomy under Turkish Empire. It was their diplomatic mistake, but I can understand why they wanted complete freedom. So, when Russia signed a peace treaty with Turkey, Turks were able to bring all of their troops into Serbia, and the uprising was crashed. After that, we had the Second Serbian Uprising in 1815, which was successful. It's leader, Miloš Obrenović, was a man of high diplomatic capabilities, he managed to negotiate with the Turks to raise Serbian authonomy, and gain liberties one by one. Russian emissaries suggested him to make a new Serbian nobility and copy the Russian feudal model, but he refused their suggestions. Because, we have just been liberated from Turkish feudalism, and we didn't want any more feudalism. That is why those uprisings are also called the Serbian Revolution. And just to add, Miloš Obrenović was the man who invented the modern Serbian flag. He wanted to use the Russian flag, but when he was told we couldn't do so, he replied: "Then, we will make it the other way around.", so he just inverted the colors.
Quote from: milos on May 25, 2015, 05:20:47 AM
They have done so much damage here in Serbia, even poisoned nationalistic movements, so much that all political forces here are more or less commie now.
First I too want to say thanks for sharing all that, you slavs have a lot more balls I hate to say than modern Scandinavians and I love reading about Hungary in particular standing up to the EU liberals and commies.
For national movements being inherently socialist some of it is as you say a result of former communist intelligence agencies or bureaucracies setting up national movements in post-communist countries such as Serbia, Hungary and East-Germany. But also it is tied with the legacy of fascism or falangism as the only other patriotic conservative alternative to socialist nationalism or socialism itself.
Moderate conservative parties does not really believe in anything that stirs the emotions of the soul, sure private property and liberty are concepts worth dying for but the message conservative parties always ties it with statistics and economical arguments combined with apologetic pleas to social justice in order to not come across as cold hearted capitalist or racist. Ayn Rand and even Hitler observed this when reflecting upon conservatism in Europe, they don't offer a real alternative to socialism. Falangism for example, share most of the social values we as conservatives embrace but not the economic policies. So in order to not appear racist moderate conservative attack nationalism out of fear of being consociated with these "neo-fascist" ideologies.
So what you end up with is a spineless moderate conservative alternative that nationalists see with disgust because they are afraid of embracing conservative socialist values so these conservatives end up with socialist nationalist parties that pretends to be against socialism while at the same time have the exact same policies except for when it comes to ethnic and immigration policies.
Quote from: Mountainshield on May 28, 2015, 09:43:25 AM
First I too want to say thanks for sharing all that, you slavs have a lot more balls I hate to say than modern Scandinavians and I love reading about Hungary in particular standing up to the EU liberals and commies.
For national movements being inherently socialist some of it is as you say a result of former communist intelligence agencies or bureaucracies setting up national movements in post-communist countries such as Serbia, Hungary and East-Germany. But also it is tied with the legacy of fascism or falangism as the only other patriotic conservative alternative to socialist nationalism or socialism itself.
Moderate conservative parties does not really believe in anything that stirs the emotions of the soul, sure private property and liberty are concepts worth dying for but the message conservative parties always ties it with statistics and economical arguments combined with apologetic pleas to social justice in order to not come across as cold hearted capitalist or racist. Ayn Rand and even Hitler observed this when reflecting upon conservatism in Europe, they don't offer a real alternative to socialism. Falangism for example, share most of the social values we as conservatives embrace but not the economic policies. So in order to not appear racist moderate conservative attack nationalism out of fear of being consociated with these "neo-fascist" ideologies.
So what you end up with is a spineless moderate conservative alternative that nationalists see with disgust because they are afraid of embracing conservative socialist values so these conservatives end up with socialist nationalist parties that pretends to be against socialism while at the same time have the exact same policies except for when it comes to ethnic and immigration policies.
That in essence is what the GOP has become, though I don't think they did it out of fear, rather they align with the beliefs of socialists, idiots that love big govt..
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There are some other reasons, like stealing natural and economic resources from Kosovo, like coal, minerals, water, electricity. Also, Albanian mafia has a huge drug production center in Kosovo, so it is also about protecting and controlling drug market.[/quote]
Who stole your coal, minerals, water, electricity and controlled the drug market?
Quote from: milos on May 28, 2015, 01:21:13 AM
Serbians were disappointed in Bucharest Peace Treaty, they wanted to continue the war, and felt Russia betrayed them.
You probably don't know that, but at this time along with war with Turky in 1806-12, Russia was also in war with Persia 1804-13. And of course the MAINE conсern for Russia in 1812 was invasion of Napoleon. It was very big thing. Napoleon, by the way, had a big expectations on continuation of russian- turkish war, that could help him during invasion, and he was really outraged, when he found out, that Kutuzof (fieldmarshal that later that year chased french from Russia), beat the turks and made them beg for peace just couple of months before Napoleon invade Russia. So, as you see Russia at that time had their hands very full.
Thank you for this enlightening thread. I thought the Serbs got rid of the Moslems. Show how much I know. I see the communists and the corrupt leadership have created many problems.
Quote from: daidalos on May 26, 2015, 12:04:58 PM
What the hell is he talking about? I don't see that anyplace! LOL
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Quote from: red_dirt on May 28, 2015, 03:36:19 PM
I thought the Serbs got rid of the Moslems. Show how much I know.
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Thanks Red, I missed his post, Hell, I miss a lot of posts. :lol:
Sure thing, Solar. I had not really gotten a chance to read this thread carefully, post by post. It is really one of the more interesting pieces I have seen, anywhere. Not too many have the knowledge to expound on the Serbian/Turkish/Russian connections. Those may have the impression Americans either do not care about or do not have the capacity to understand such things. I hope this discussion continues.
We take it for granted that Washington leadership manipulates the boot licker press. We also suspect the press has its own agenda, meaning, the press has been infiltrated by the left. Upon inauguration, Obama was handed the keys to the pres, or, the leash around its neck, but he really has not used it effectively. He annoyed the very people who could have helped him.
Not so, the Clintons. The Clintons have been so skilled at persuasion that they have actually created a reality all their own. That rigged Stephanopolis interview with Peter Schweitzer came as a pail of ice water in our faces. The public was, like, "Oh, no. Here we go again!" Contemplating a Hillary presidency and a return to all those lies.
We need to be honest with ourselves and admit that, thanks to Washington and the skilled opinion shapers there, our understanding of the world is probably at about 20%, if we are lucky. I am into this discussion not to derail, but to further interest it the Clintons and what they really did.
Quote from: Mountainshield on May 28, 2015, 09:43:25 AM
First I too want to say thanks for sharing all that, you slavs have a lot more balls I hate to say than modern Scandinavians and I love reading about Hungary in particular standing up to the EU liberals and commies.
For national movements being inherently socialist some of it is as you say a result of former communist intelligence agencies or bureaucracies setting up national movements in post-communist countries such as Serbia, Hungary and East-Germany. But also it is tied with the legacy of fascism or falangism as the only other patriotic conservative alternative to socialist nationalism or socialism itself.
Moderate conservative parties does not really believe in anything that stirs the emotions of the soul, sure private property and liberty are concepts worth dying for but the message conservative parties always ties it with statistics and economical arguments combined with apologetic pleas to social justice in order to not come across as cold hearted capitalist or racist. Ayn Rand and even Hitler observed this when reflecting upon conservatism in Europe, they don't offer a real alternative to socialism. Falangism for example, share most of the social values we as conservatives embrace but not the economic policies. So in order to not appear racist moderate conservative attack nationalism out of fear of being consociated with these "neo-fascist" ideologies.
So what you end up with is a spineless moderate conservative alternative that nationalists see with disgust because they are afraid of embracing conservative socialist values so these conservatives end up with socialist nationalist parties that pretends to be against socialism while at the same time have the exact same policies except for when it comes to ethnic and immigration policies.
Thank you for this post, you are completely right.
Quote from: Dori on May 28, 2015, 10:13:36 AM
Who stole your coal, minerals, water, electricity and controlled the drug market?
NATO politicians in Kosovo. They behave like Kosovo is their private property. They are bribing Albanian politicians in Kosovo to sell them Kosovo state property for bargain. Although all of that state property still legally belongs to Serbia.
Maybe these links would help.
http://www.varight.com/news/why-is-madeleine-albright-trying-to-buy-the-kosovo-telecom-company-another-poke-at-the-serbs/ (http://www.varight.com/news/why-is-madeleine-albright-trying-to-buy-the-kosovo-telecom-company-another-poke-at-the-serbs/)
http://sputniknews.com/voiceofrussia/2012_06_26/79390184/ (http://sputniknews.com/voiceofrussia/2012_06_26/79390184/)
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/regional/KLA1.html (http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/regional/KLA1.html)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TdcV5N7Icwk
Quote from: kalash on May 28, 2015, 03:24:45 PM
You probably don't know that, but at this time along with war with Turky in 1806-12, Russia was also in war with Persia 1804-13. And of course the MAINE conсern for Russia in 1812 was invasion of Napoleon. It was very big thing. Napoleon, by the way, had a big expectations on continuation of russian- turkish war, that could help him during invasion, and he was really outraged, when he found out, that Kutuzof (fieldmarshal that later that year chased french from Russia), beat the turks and made them beg for peace just couple of months before Napoleon invade Russia. So, as you see Russia at that time had their hands very full.
Yes. That was our misfortune. And what was the most weird in that situation, it's that Napoleon admired Serbian uprising and Serbian leader Karađorđe as a great warrior.
Quote from: red_dirt on May 28, 2015, 03:36:19 PM
Thank you for this enlightening thread. I thought the Serbs got rid of the Moslems. Show how much I know. I see the communists and the corrupt leadership have created many problems.
Ha ha, well you probably know who stopped us. :wink: No, we actually didn't want to get rid of the Muslims, we just wanted peace and normal life. But, Bosnian Muslims wanted Bosnia to be completely Muslim country, and Kosovo Albanians, who are mostly Muslim, wanted to separate that territory from us and join it to Albania. They caused the problems. Our politicians are that much corrupted that I could see only a new revolution, or Third Serbian Uprising, as a possible solution to the problem.
Quote from: red_dirt on May 28, 2015, 04:28:31 PM
We need to be honest with ourselves and admit that, thanks to Washington and the skilled opinion shapers there, our understanding of the world is probably at about 20%, if we are lucky. I am into this discussion not to derail, but to further interest it the Clintons and what they really did.
People in my country usually think Americans are stupid because they don't know history. I usually reply with how could they know history if you didn't tell them. They believe your government should have taught you history. But, I don't want to tell too much at once, because I don't want to make you go like "Whaaa?". :blink: But history is actually very complex, and we know only the top of it's iceberg.
I have many reasons to believe British Empire was and still is the most evil creation in the modern history of the world. Americans stood up against the British Empire during the American Revolution for a good cause. But, today, America acts like British Empire did once. It is like the British Queen runs the American diplomacy. America lost its soul when it allied with British Empire during WWI, and later during WWII, and after in the NATO. Once, the American flag was a flag of liberty, of hope, of dreams. But now, it is a flag of imperialism. You go hand in hand with the British Empire you defeated once. I would love to see that "Don't Tread on Me" America once again.
Some of the crimes of the British Empire include spreading the communism around the world. British were those who have sent Lenin from Switzerland into Russia to incite a communist revolution. They have convinced Germans to let him pass through their territory, because he would defeat Russia from inside. In spite of the fact Russia and United Kingdom were officially allies, British imperial interests were in the first place, and those were defeating both Germany and Russia at the same time. But the British Empire never had allies, they just had their own interests, and fooled others into thinking they were allies.
What happened with Serbia? British had promised us help in 1914 if Germany and Austria-Hungary attack us. But their help never arrived. British had their troops in Greece, but they refused to come to Serbia to help Serbian army. We were stabbed in the back by Bulgaria, so without British help from Greece, Serbian military and civilian refugees had to retreat over Albania in order to reach the coast for British and French ships to rescue them. But British and French didn't want to send their ships. It was only when Russia intervened, threatening it will retreat from the war if allies don't send us ships. So French ships arrived, and our forces were rescued to Greece.
What happened during WWII? The ruler of the Kingdom of Yugoslavia, Prince Paul (Knez Pavle), was a great British lover. He desperately wanted to avoid joining the Tripartite Pact. But, when he asked the British will they help us in a case of war with Germany, they answered him they wouldn't. So he signed the pact. And it was actually an awesome treaty. Because, Hitler didn't want war with Yugoslavia. He was patient, and kept negotiating with Prince Paul. So, in the final treaty that was signed, Germany and Italy agreed they won't send any troops into Yugoslavia, nor will ask any transport of their troops or staff through Yugoslav territory. By joining the Tripartite Pact, Yugoslavia actually gained a neutral status in the WWII, similar to Spain or Sweden or Turkey. But, what happened two days later? British intelligence incited a great revolt and a coup in Yugoslavia against the treaty, using famous Serbian love for freedom, so Hitler went furious, and decided to smash us in no time. So, the British refused to help us in a case of war, but they pushed us to sacrifice our lives for British interests. They have literally kidnapped our young king who was under aged, and kept him as a hostage. He wanted to come back to his occupied country. He was a skilled pilot, and he wanted to escape the British in Egypt and secretly fly back to Yugoslavia. He organized a test flight, when one Serbian pilot secretly took off from Egypt to Yugoslavia, but he was immediatelly shot down over the Mediterranean Sea by the RAF. No joking with the British Empire. Later on, Winston Churchill forced our young king to recognize new communist government in Yugoslavia. Yugoslav communist leader, Tito, was a multiple agent for Austria-Hungary, Soviet Union, Germany, and United Kingdom. But his most powerfil boss was Churchill. Not to mention it was not the real Tito at all, because the real Tito died during the Spanish Civil War, and was replaced by a double. Stalin knew this, and sent his trustful agent Mustafa Golubić, who was from Yugoslavia, to kill Tito, but Tito's agents were faster and killed Mustafa. Most likely, Stalin actually supported Serbian national forces, the remains of the legal Yugoslav Royal Army who didn't want to surrender to Germans, called "chetniks". Their leader, general Draža Mihailović, was allegedly Stalin's agent. Churchill, Roosevelt, and Stalin, agreed Yugoslavia shall become communist after the war, although communists were just a minor political force here, but I blame Churchill the most. At the end of the war, Serbian nationalist forces were retreating alongside with Germans to surrender to British and Americans in Austria and Italy. Those who surrendered to the American troops, were rescued, and brought into the United States. Those who surrendered to the British troops, were sent back to communists, and were all shot. After the war, Stalin asked from Churchill to bring back the Yugoslav royal family into country and organize democratic elections in Yugoslavia, but Churchill refused. Later, there was a famous Tito's official break up with Stalin in 1948, although they have been long time enemies already.
Quote from: milos on May 29, 2015, 12:56:42 AM
I have many reasons to believe British Empire was and still is the most evil creation in the modern history of the world. Americans stood up against the British Empire during the American Revolution for a good cause. But, today, America acts like British Empire did once. It is like the British Queen runs the American diplomacy. America lost its soul when it allied with British Empire during WWI, and later during WWII, and after in the NATO. Once, the American flag was a flag of liberty, of hope, of dreams. But now, it is a flag of imperialism.
No wonder you have problems with America, if that's how you feel. UK is America's strongest ally in Europe, always has been. Landlocked central and eastern Europe caught some bad cards when the age of sea power reigned. Russia has always had great navy, but the great empires have been long associated with sea power. That age is over. Strong navy is still an asset.
Quote from: red_dirt on May 29, 2015, 09:06:28 PM
No wonder you have problems with America, if that's how you feel. UK is America's strongest ally in Europe, always has been. Landlocked central and eastern Europe caught some bad cards when the age of sea power reigned. Russia has always had great navy, but the great empires have been long associated with sea power. That age is over. Strong navy is still an asset.
But, America should stand for liberty, while British Empire has been always enslaving and manipulating people all over the world and mercilessly destroying other nations for own gain. These are two completely opposite ideals. How could have they ever been allied? It looks like British Empire is using United States to create a better image of themselves. Like a mass murderer carrying a child.
But the core of the problem lays in the bankers and the FED. Bankers are giving war loans to both sides in the war, and then make a profit regardless of who wins or loses. It's like in a roulette, where different nations come to play, but the house always wins, and the players are always being fooled. And a message to Russian anti-American communists: "How could you ever embrace Lenin, when he and his bolshevik revolution were funded by American bankers?" I mean, OMG. I mean, I have been on internet since 2001, and I have read this like million times from different sources, and in some printed books, too. But Russian communists probably think it is just a propaganda, the same like national-socialists think it is Jewish propaganda when someone tells them Hitler was given war loans by the same American bankers. And those bankers were Jewish, OMG. But they are not American in their hearts, nor they are Jewish in their hearts, so we should not be fooled to hate Americans or Jews for what those bankers did and still do. Because personal responsibility is real, and therefore it is only individual guilt that exists. And British Empire too is not really British, of course, so no one should hate British for that reason. And ethnic Russians in Ukraine are defending Lenin's statues from the "Ukrainian and NATO fascists". OMG. You keep protecting statues which celebrate bankers' victory over you. Why don't you just invent some technology to completely dissolve Lenin's remains, crash his mausoleum to the ground, and replace that ugly red star at the top of the Kremlin with the golden eagle which belongs there? To bankers from FED it was an easy task to print paper US dollars out of nothing and loan them to Lenin and Trotsky, at the expense of the American people and taxpayers. And if one should start searching for commies in the United States, he shall begin with the Federal Reserve.
http://www.wildboar.net/multilingual/easterneuropean/russian/literature/articles/whofinanced/whofinancedleninandtrotsky.html (http://www.wildboar.net/multilingual/easterneuropean/russian/literature/articles/whofinanced/whofinancedleninandtrotsky.html)
In this article, it has been told that Trotsky posed a threat to England, because he wanted to withdraw Russia from the war. He surely was a threat to England, but not to those who were in power, and those were the bankers. Because, bolshevik revolution withdrew Russia from the war, which made England seek for help from the United States. It was just a planned way for the bankers to involve United States into war, and to make profit out of even more war loans. And who granted Trotsky the American passport and protection? It was Woodrow Wilson, the same Democrat US president who allowed the creation of the Federal Reserve System just four years before, as a reward for those bankers who funded his presidential campaign.
QuoteJacob Schiff was head of the New York investment firm Kuhn, Loeb and Co. He was one of the principal backers of the Bolshevik revolution and personally financed Trotsky's trip from New York to Russia. He was a major contributor to Woodrow Wilson's presidential campaign and an advocate for passage of the Federal Reserve Act.
QuoteWith this in mind we can appreciate the great strength of those mysterious forces both in England and the United States, that intervened on Trotsky's behalf. Immediately telegrams began to come into Halifax from such divergent sources, as an obscure attorney in New York City, from the Canadian Deputy Postmaster-General and even from a high-ranking British military officer, all inquiring into Trotsky's situation and urging his immediate release. The head of the British Secret Service in America at the time was Sir William Wiseman, who, as fate would have it, occupied the apartment directly above the apartment of Edward Mandell House and who had become fast friends with him. House advised Wiseman, that President Wilson wished to have Trotsky released. Wiseman advised his government and the British Admiralty issued orders on April 21st, that Trotsky was to be sent on his way. ("Why Did We Let Trotsky Go? How Canada Lost an Opportunity to Shorten the War", MacLeans magazine, Canada, June 1919. Also see Martin, pp. 163-164.) It was a fateful deecision, that would affect not only the outcome of the war, but the future of the entire world.
QuoteNor was this phenomenon confined to the United States. Trotsky in his book My Life tells of a British financier, who in 1907 gave him a "large loan" to be repaid after the overthrow of the Tsar. Arsene de Goulevitch, who witnessed the Bolshevik Revolution firsthand, has identified both the name of the financier and the amount of the loan. "In private interviews", he said, "I have been told that over 21 million rubles were spent by Lord [Alfred] Milner in financing the Russian Revolution... The financier just mentioned was by no means alone among the British to support the Russian revolution with large financial donations." Another name specifically mentioned by de Goulevitch was that of Sir George Buchanan, the British Ambassador to Russia at the time. (See Arsene de Goulevitch: Czarism and Revolution, published by Omni Publications in Hawthorne, California, no date; rpt. from 1962 French edition, pp. 224, 230)
And to call for help from Thomas Jefferson: "If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their money, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them, will deprive the people of their property until their children will wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered."
http://www.rense.com/general85/jeffer.htm (http://www.rense.com/general85/jeffer.htm)
What the FED basically does is making Americans become poor proletarians who will then seek for social justice and government care. Why is US border with Mexico being opened? Because, those Mexican illegal immigrants are new proletarians with no private property. The same is happening in Europe, EU is allowing illegal immigration from Africa and Middle East for the same commie purpose, to make a new European proletarian class. Bankers and their commie fellows, first they make people poor, and then they emerge as their saviors who will feed them, for the cost of their freedom.
Quote from: milos on May 30, 2015, 02:39:17 AM
But, America should stand for liberty, while British Empire has been always enslaving and manipulating people all over the world and mercilessly destroying other nations for own gain. These are two completely opposite ideals. How could have they ever been allied? It looks like British Empire is using United States to create a better image of themselves. Like a mass murderer carrying a child.
milos, consider the fact that you may have been subjected to a form of revisionist history.
Dinesh D'Souza made a movie about Obama a few years back and he went to Kenya and spoke with Kenyans about their colonialist roots. Obama's own brother admitted that if Kenya had not gotten their independence from the British Empire they would be much better off today. Once the British left, Kenya's economy ceased to grow in the way it did under British control. He said that their lives were much better under colonialism. He felt like Kenyan would have become as Singapore if they had not gotten their independence, which stagnated their economic growth.
I have lived many years in Asia and can tell you that Singaporeans..... although they love their independence... are keenly aware that it is the British that made their lives so much better than their neighbors. Singapore is a prosperous jewel in the midst of poverty stricken Nations around them. They realize they owe it all to the UK. They were not enslaved or ravaged by the UK. They were treated just like the British citizens they were deemed to be.
Even India was improved vastly during their British occupation. They did nothing to hurt the people. They raised those people our of horrible conditions and made it a civilized Nation.
So milo, I believe you have a warped knowledge of much of history. Have you actually traveled to the former colonies of Asia and Africa? What is the source of your knowledge? Books and teachers?
I think you 3 are all right to a point.
Lets not forget the reason America even exists. Not because the Crown was so freakin wonderful, rather the exact opposite, it was extremely selfish, oppressive and demanded strict adherence to it's laws.
Sure, they brought stability, the rule of law to any given area, but it also came at a price.
Quote from: kroz on May 30, 2015, 04:12:54 AMObama's own brother admitted that if Kenya had not gotten their independence from the British Empire they would be much better off today. Once the British left, Kenya's economy ceased to grow in the way it did under British control. He said that their lives were much better under colonialism. He felt like Kenyan would have become as Singapore if they had not gotten their independence, which stagnated their economic growth.
Years ago, I had a boss from the western coast of Africa. She was very well educated, and all her schools taught in English. She also knew the language and customs of her tribal roots. I got the distinct impression, that where she lived and grew up was very Europeanized.
Quote from: Dori on May 30, 2015, 05:47:30 AM
Years ago, I had a boss from the western coast of Africa. She was very well educated, and all her schools taught in English. She also knew the language and customs of her tribal roots. I got the distinct impression, that where she lived and grew up was very Europeanized.
Much of the world is somewhat europeanized due to colonialism.
Indonesia is heavily influenced by the decades of Dutch rule in the Dutch East Indies.
Hong Kong is definitely influenced by British occupation. And Hong Kong was kept from the grasp of communist China because of the UK.
Quote from: Solar on May 30, 2015, 05:22:14 AM
I think you 3 are all right to a point.
Lets not forget the reason America even exists. Not because the Crown was so freakin wonderful, rather the exact opposite, it was extremely selfish, oppressive and demanded strict adherence to it's laws.
Sure, they brought stability, the rule of law to any given area, but it also came at a price.
No one is saying that the British were faultless in their administration over their colonial empire. It is all a matter of relativism to their lives before being colonized. Most were improved and somewhat civilized in contrast. Yes, the Brits were selfish in many ways and dominated the people sometimes improperly.
However, once America won their war of independence things begin to change elsewhere. We were moving into a new era of internationalism and the UK adjusted accordingly. It was just part of the times. Colonialism gradually disappeared without warfare following WWII.
Even the Royal Crown relinquished their family power and became figureheads only.
If we fairly look back over history, all governments were oppressive prior to the U.S. development of a free Republic. Since then others have attempted to copy our pattern but none have been quite as successful.
I am extremely reluctant to point a finger of guilt upon pre-modern history nations. When you purview the globe prior to the twentieth century..... the european powers were among the best to live in...... at home and in their colonies.
Quote from: kroz on May 30, 2015, 06:23:52 AM
Much of the world is somewhat europeanized due to colonialism.
Indonesia is heavily influenced by the decades of Dutch rule in the Dutch East Indies.
Hong Kong is definitely influenced by British occupation. And Hong Kong was kept from the grasp of communist China because of the UK.
No one is saying that the British were faultless in their administration over their colonial empire. It is all a matter of relativism to their lives before being colonized. Most were improved and somewhat civilized in contrast. Yes, the Brits were selfish in many ways and dominated the people sometimes improperly.
However, once America won their war of independence things begin to change elsewhere. We were moving into a new era of internationalism and the UK adjusted accordingly. It was just part of the times. Colonialism gradually disappeared without warfare following WWII.
Even the Royal Crown relinquished their family power and became figureheads only.
If we fairly look back over history, all governments were oppressive prior to the U.S. development of a free Republic. Since then others have attempted to copy our pattern but none have been quite as successful.
I am extremely reluctant to point a finger of guilt upon pre-modern history nations. When you purview the globe prior to the twentieth century..... the european powers were among the best to live in...... at home and in their colonies.
Agree, but Milos wasn't referring to post WWI era, rather nearly a century prior, if I read it correctly.
Quote from: Solar on May 30, 2015, 06:36:05 AM
Agree, but Milos wasn't referring to post WWI era, rather nearly a century prior, if I read it correctly.
That is true..... but my point is that it was all relative to the state of these nations prior to colonialism.
For the most part the people's lives were improved and their economies definitely improved. They had previously had harsh taskmasters in asia especially.
Europe was an entirely different situation. But history tells us that those nations have been conquered over history many times by various conquerors..... most for selfish reasons. That was just the nature of the world prior to WWI.
Don't single our Britain as the evil empire...... there were many!
Quote from: kroz on May 30, 2015, 06:23:52 AMI am extremely reluctant to point a finger of guilt upon pre-modern history nations. When you purview the globe prior to the twentieth century..... the european powers were among the best to live in...... at home and in their colonies.
I agree. It drives me crazy when the left condemns this countries history by using their values today. They never take into consideration the times. Funny how they never condemn the behavior of the islamofacists though.
Quote from: kroz on May 30, 2015, 06:47:56 AM
That is true..... but my point is that it was all relative to the state of these nations prior to colonialism.
For the most part the people's lives were improved and their economies definitely improved. They had previously had harsh taskmasters in asia especially.
Europe was an entirely different situation. But history tells us that those nations have been conquered over history many times by various conquerors..... most for selfish reasons. That was just the nature of the world prior to WWI.
Don't single our Britain as the evil empire...... there were many!
Oh absolutely agree! My point is that all of you are correct in one or more aspects, including Milos and his claim of communism, considering the UK's party in power is that of the Fabian's, a direction they've been heading for centuries..
Quote from: Solar on May 30, 2015, 05:22:14 AM
I think you 3 are all right to a point. Lets not forget the reason America even exists. Not because the Crown was so freakin wonderful, rather the exact opposite, it was extremely selfish, oppressive and demanded strict adherence to it's laws. Sure, they brought stability, the rule of law to any given area, but it also came at a price.
The colonial era was marked by failures of colonies, a good many of them British, not because the English demanded strict adherence to the laws, but because they were often too lenient in enforcing the laws. History and storybooks are full of the theme, the arrival of the new, strict, governor, who would crack down on the foolishness and get the colonists back on track. Winthrop and Quincy stand out, historically. Also, stern ministers like Mather came in to "encourage" regular attendance on Sundays, "or else." More often than not, the root of the problem was too much money pouring in, not enough internal discipline. Drunkeness, debauchery, fighting, cruelty to the natives, hard partying with the natives, booze, drug use, witchcraft, poor planning, all those things that spring up on the frontier when man and woman are left to their own devices, and the money is rolling in.
At the same time, the flood of money from the colonies to the King's treasury was creating moral dilemmas in itself. European royalty was increasingly at each other, as the money to support wars in Europe, France, Germany, Italy, Spain, Portugal, England, Norway, flowed seeming without end, old grudges being renewed with the cash to back them up.
Can you imagine the scene if Governor Winthrop or even Capt. John Smith would sail into Baltimore harbor today, under orders to get these fools straightened out? One Mike Brown on the scene and there would be hell to pay, and not the kind Barack Obama and Eric Holder have in mind.
America even developed its own little version of royalty at the turn of the century and the industrial age, The Rockefellers. John D. used to ride around in an armored car, visiting the mine properties, looking very much the Prince, him and the other titans of industry. There were many Serbian, other central and eastern Euros at work in the mines, Italians, Cornish, Chinese, Norwegians and Swedes. These were family people who mainly wanted safety and some money in the pocket. To associate the American business with oppressive Royalty back home was not a far leap. Many of the labor union organizations grew quite powerful. We might even say overly so, taking a look at the strings of deserted mining towns that dot the American landscape.
Those same populations went on to comprise some of America's most treasured human resources,
the ol' melting pot folks they did. That includes the Serbs, definitely, esp. in industrial and mining states.
Quote from: milos on May 29, 2015, 12:56:42 AM
Not to mention it was not the real Tito at all, because the real Tito died during the Spanish Civil War, and was replaced by a double.
It's a good one! Never heard before. Will be on my list right after "Moon landing was filmed in Hollywood" :thumbsup:
Quote from: kalash on June 01, 2015, 01:26:55 PM
It's a good one! Never heard before. Will be on my list right after "Moon landing was filmed in Hollywood" :thumbsup:
Don't tell me you're one of those rubes that think the moon landing was faked, are you?
Quote from: Solar on June 01, 2015, 01:35:06 PM
"It's a good one! Never heard before. Will be on my list right after "Moon landing was filmed in Hollywood"
Don't tell me you're one of those rubes that think the moon landing was faked, are you?
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Quote from: kroz on May 30, 2015, 04:12:54 AM
milos, consider the fact that you may have been subjected to a form of revisionist history.
Dinesh D'Souza made a movie about Obama a few years back and he went to Kenya and spoke with Kenyans about their colonialist roots. Obama's own brother admitted that if Kenya had not gotten their independence from the British Empire they would be much better off today. Once the British left, Kenya's economy ceased to grow in the way it did under British control. He said that their lives were much better under colonialism. He felt like Kenyan would have become as Singapore if they had not gotten their independence, which stagnated their economic growth.
I have lived many years in Asia and can tell you that Singaporeans..... although they love their independence... are keenly aware that it is the British that made their lives so much better than their neighbors. Singapore is a prosperous jewel in the midst of poverty stricken Nations around them. They realize they owe it all to the UK. They were not enslaved or ravaged by the UK. They were treated just like the British citizens they were deemed to be.
Even India was improved vastly during their British occupation. They did nothing to hurt the people. They raised those people our of horrible conditions and made it a civilized Nation.
So milo, I believe you have a warped knowledge of much of history. Have you actually traveled to the former colonies of Asia and Africa? What is the source of your knowledge? Books and teachers?
Some of the colonies lived better, some lived worse. Look at the Irish, for example, they were the victims of British genocide, almost vanished from the face of the Earth. Or the Boer Wars in South Africa, when the British invented concentration camps for Boers. European colonialism is somewhat controversial subject. What would you reply, if someone comes to you, and asks you to obey his rule, in exchange for more wealth? Would you obey to him, or would you rather keep your freedom? It was the situation in colonies. Those who obeyed lived better, those who didn't want to obey were murdered. I was pointing out the difference between the British imperialism and the American spirit of freedom, that they are completely opposite to each other, and could never go together. I mean, what would George Washington say, if he saw United States were aligning to the British Empire? Like: "What was I fighting for?" I believe British royalty never really gave their power to the parliament, and that they still rule behind the scenes. I mean, if you kept one quarter of the world in your hands, would you give it up just like that?
Quote from: kalash on June 01, 2015, 01:26:55 PM
It's a good one! Never heard before. Will be on my list right after "Moon landing was filmed in Hollywood" :thumbsup:
You see, when you come here with hostile attitude, your sarcasm will always be misunderstood. :wink: I wish Russians were more friendly and opened towards the world, that way the world would understand you better. There are many controversies about Tito, some claim that he died in 1913, some that he died during the Spanish Civil War, but the fact is that he was replaced by a double. After WWII, Tito visited his house of birth only once, and his mother, when she saw him, said: "This is not my son." Real Tito was a Croat, but his double was never able to speak Croatian (or Serbo-Croatian) properly without strong accent. It is also a fact that the Comintern have sentenced Tito to death in 1938.
Quote from: Solar on June 01, 2015, 01:35:06 PM
Don't tell me you're one of those rubes that think the moon landing was faked, are you?
Let me be that rube instead. :wink: Because, I believe the Moon landing was true, but the live TV transmission of the landing was fake. Because, the landing could have gone wrong at any point. Could you ever imagine NASA would allow it's possible failure being transmitted live to the world audience? So I do believe there was a Moon landing, but the footage of the landing was staged.
Quote from: milos on June 01, 2015, 11:27:38 PM
Some of the colonies lived better, some lived worse. Look at the Irish, for example, they were the victims of British genocide, almost vanished from the face of the Earth. Or the Boer Wars in South Africa, when the British invented concentration camps for Boers. European colonialism is somewhat controversial subject. What would you reply, if someone comes to you, and asks you to obey his rule, in exchange for more wealth? Would you obey to him, or would you rather keep your freedom? It was the situation in colonies. Those who obeyed lived better, those who didn't want to obey were murdered. I was pointing out the difference between the British imperialism and the American spirit of freedom, that they are completely opposite to each other, and could never go together. I mean, what would George Washington say, if he saw United States were aligning to the British Empire? Like: "What was I fighting for?" I believe British royalty never really gave their power to the parliament, and that they still rule behind the scenes. I mean, if you kept one quarter of the world in your hands, would you give it up just like that?
milo, the British royal family knew they had to relinquish power or go the way of the tsars!
Times change! The world evolves and nothing is static. Yes, they willingly gave up their real power because they were able to keep all the glamor and prestige. They got to keep all the fanfare and drop all the work!!
Also, you fail to realize that the measuring rod you use today to measure the behavior of the colonial British Empire did not exist at that time. Violence was a way of life EVERYWHERE. There was no peaceful paradise where the royal crown went in and devastated. That is a fantasy. And that is where revisionist history comes into play.
If you want to create a boogieman, it is not difficult today because the youthful minds are vulnerable. They are too far removed from any form of extended true hardships. They do not comprehend the true nature of life prior to their existence and certainly do not understand why previous generations did not think/see the world the way they do. The information era has changed so many things throughout the world...... and it has not ALL been for the good.
Today's generation cannot perceive of the way most of the world once lived.... born and died in a world five miles wide...... never knowing what existed beyond the close periphery of their world..... no time for anything beyond growing crops or working a job and raising a family. The basic essentials of life required all of their time.... not much leisure.
Today's younger generation does not have much time for work amidst all of their leisure.
.........
and the moon landing was a LIVE event on TV which most of us on this forum watched..... once again you are thinking in today's mindset.
Quote from: kroz on June 02, 2015, 04:19:17 AM
If you want to create a boogieman, it is not difficult today because the youthful minds are vulnerable. They are too far removed from any form of extended true hardships. They do not comprehend the true nature of life prior to their existence and certainly do not understand why previous generations did not think/see the world the way they do. The information era has changed so many things throughout the world...... and it has not ALL been for the good.
Today's generation cannot perceive of the way most of the world once lived.... born and died in a world five miles wide......
I think the true nature of Milo is gradually being drawn out into the open, as the layers peel away. At first, thought this was going to be a contributor with special knowledge and insight into Balkan affairs, someone with something worthwhile to teach. Granted, I go in with skepticism about Central Europeans due to the fact that they just happened to come along and take active positions in the American labor movement at the same time international communism was making its successful move, 1914. That having been said and set aside, I think I may have had expectations of Milo unlikely to be met.
I suspect what we are seeing here in another disgruntled intellectual, who, if you stick with him and follow his reasoning long enough, leads right down the road to bitterness and opposition to the established western European culture that not only led Europe out of the Dark Ages and into Enlightenment, but also created America and everything she has come to mean.
Once young minds buy into that boogieman notion, there is no turning back. The influences will proceed to have a field day with them. What immediately comes to mind is the example just seen on a recent post, here. The young black man proclaiming to the Freedom Watch reporter, "We don't hate you. Y'all are the Devil."
Quote from: milos on June 01, 2015, 11:27:38 PM
Some of the colonies lived better, some lived worse. Look at the Irish, for example, they were the victims of British genocide, almost vanished from the face of the Earth. Or the Boer Wars in South Africa, when the British invented concentration camps for Boers. European colonialism is somewhat controversial subject. What would you reply, if someone comes to you, and asks you to obey his rule, in exchange for more wealth? Would you obey to him, or would you rather keep your freedom? It was the situation in colonies. Those who obeyed lived better, those who didn't want to obey were murdered. I was pointing out the difference between the British imperialism and the American spirit of freedom, that they are completely opposite to each other, and could never go together. I mean, what would George Washington say, if he saw United States were aligning to the British Empire? Like: "What was I fighting for?" I believe British royalty never really gave their power to the parliament, and that they still rule behind the scenes. I mean, if you kept one quarter of the world in your hands, would you give it up just like that?
You see, when you come here with hostile attitude, your sarcasm will always be misunderstood. :wink: I wish Russians were more friendly and opened towards the world, that way the world would understand you better. There are many controversies about Tito, some claim that he died in 1913, some that he died during the Spanish Civil War, but the fact is that he was replaced by a double. After WWII, Tito visited his house of birth only once, and his mother, when she saw him, said: "This is not my son." Real Tito was a Croat, but his double was never able to speak Croatian (or Serbo-Croatian) properly without strong accent. It is also a fact that the Comintern have sentenced Tito to death in 1938.
Let me be that rube instead. :wink: Because, I believe the Moon landing was true, but the live TV transmission of the landing was fake. Because, the landing could have gone wrong at any point. Could you ever imagine NASA would allow it's possible failure being transmitted live to the world audience? So I do believe there was a Moon landing, but the footage of the landing was staged.
Nope, I remember it like it was yesterday, I also remember the claim that when the camera was turned on, that it was inadvertently turned on pointing at the sun which resulted in burning it's sensitive circuitry.
That part was a lie, there was nothing wrong with the camera, other than the govt wanting to keep the first images blurred from our enemies.
You have to keep in mind, we all knew the time frame from launch to landing, had they attempted to delay it, the world would have called them on it and you'd have seen proof of a faked landing.
No Milos, most of us on this forum remember that day in 1969 like it just happened, because it made that huge of an impact in our lives.
You have to see it from our perspective, before we landed on the moon, all of humanity, since the beginning of time used to look up and wonder in awe as to what was up there.
That all changed over night, and man would never look at the Heavens the same again.
No, we were extremely focused on the mission and a detail like a delayed release would have been the lead on the news.
We are also back to that argument about the flag waving straight out as if flapping in the wind. That, and the multiple shadows cast by the lights the astronauts turned on when they filmed the event. The top of the flag remained straight because the pole was built with a hinged horizontal rod so that the flag could be displayed for the camera and the American people. It's all here:
https://youtu.be/yhab86KoVjU
Again, I am not going to attach much credibility to anything Milo has to say, though I am perfectly at ease with his first amendment right. Too, we just have to ask why it is that Americans are so eager to believe that everything their government tells them is a lie. Honestly, it has gone over the top. I still maintain that law enforcement must continue to move in on Washington officials at every opportunity. Maybe, if Hillary gets in there, sad prospect, it will touch off a national reform movement against lying politicians. If Cruz gets in, best hope, we could have the same result, Cruz being, first and foremost, an anti communist law man.
In the meanwhile, I am far from content to soak up revisionist history from anyone who has the slightest hint of being in the business of discouraging Americans and spreading disparaging comments about our great nation.
Forget it.
People still believe we didn't go to the Moon? There is zero doubt we went.
Quote from: taxed on June 02, 2015, 09:58:19 AM
People still believe we didn't go to the Moon? There is zero doubt we went.
Some people are predisposed to disbelief of anything American. We can thank the left wing faculties for that, captivating young minds and bodies with cynicism. Incidentally, we have to be careful not to err on the side of caution. Anyone who gives patriot radio a listen will concur -- a little bit goes a long way.
I can't find it, but I believe there is a studio shot that Sam released that caused a lot of this. Look, everyone knows that MacArthur came ashore twice, Once for real, and one for the cameras. If he were to do that today, he would be accused by the left of fakery. It is ridiculous; but then, so are the peaceniks, comfortable in their living rooms.
Quote from: red_dirt on June 02, 2015, 10:14:16 AM
Some people are predisposed to disbelief of anything American. We can thank the left wing faculties for that, captivating young minds and bodies with cynicism. Incidentally, we have to be careful not to err on the side of caution. Anyone who gives patriot radio a listen will concur -- a little bit goes a long way.
I can't find it, but I believe there is a studio shot that Sam released that caused a lot of this. Look, everyone knows that MacArthur came ashore twice, Once for real, and one for the cameras. If he were to do that today, he would be accused by the left of fakery. It is ridiculous; but then, so are the peaceniks, comfortable in their living rooms.
Not to mention satellite evidence.
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Besides, we know quite well if there was evidence to the contrary, the Russians would have exposed it long ago.
http://www.space.com/12796-photos-apollo-moon-landing-sites-lro.html
Quote from: red_dirt on June 02, 2015, 10:14:16 AM
I can't find it, but I believe there is a studio shot that Sam released that caused a lot of this.
I was inside an old Hughes aircraft hangar where they filmed part of a science fiction movie. I want to say a Star Wars movie, but can't remember for sure.
I once escaped a war between Turkey and Greece over the Turkish invasion of Cyprus. An international group chartered a bus in Istanbul and traveled through Bulgaria and on to what was then Belgrade, Yugoslavia. It was an interesting experience and I saw that, at that time, farmers in Yugoslavia were plowing their fields with horses or some kind of Ox. We were also accosted by Gypsies demanding cigarettes. I was amazed that they were so backward. I doubt that those were the good old days.
When one looks at former British colonies, it is undeniable that most were better off under British rule. Since independence and the division of India, that worked out well, didn't it? Hell holes. Ditto former British colonies in Africa. The Middle East? Oh yeah. Peace and prosperity.
History is written according to one's point of view.
Quote from: Charliemyboy on June 02, 2015, 11:38:42 AM
I once escaped a war between Turkey and Greece over the Turkish invasion of Cyprus.
I was in Greece during that time and got caught up in a huge demonstration against Henry Kissinger with regard to the Greek/Cypriot dispute.
Before I knew it there were flood lights turned on and TV cameras rolling. There were all kinds of posters being held up by the demonstrators all around me. Then the doors of a government office opened and a lot of politicians came out to the crowd. I was totally surrounded by the mob.... unexpectedly!! :ohmy:
Quote from: red_dirt on June 02, 2015, 04:55:39 AM
I think the true nature of Milo is gradually being drawn out into the open, as the layers peel away. At first, thought this was going to be a contributor with special knowledge and insight into Balkan affairs, someone with something worthwhile to teach. Granted, I go in with skepticism about Central Europeans due to the fact that they just happened to come along and take active positions in the American labor movement at the same time international communism was making its successful move, 1914. That having been said and set aside, I think I may have had expectations of Milo unlikely to be met.
I suspect what we are seeing here in another disgruntled intellectual, who, if you stick with him and follow his reasoning long enough, leads right down the road to bitterness and opposition to the established western European culture that not only led Europe out of the Dark Ages and into Enlightenment, but also created America and everything she has come to mean.
Once young minds buy into that boogieman notion, there is no turning back. The influences will proceed to have a field day with them. What immediately comes to mind is the example just seen on a recent post, here. The young black man proclaiming to the Freedom Watch reporter, "We don't hate you. Y'all are the Devil."
Why do you think I don't know the Balkan affairs? Maybe I am not well informed about America, but I surely know the Balkans. I don't see myself as an intellectual, lol, and I am not one. But I surely want to learn things, and have inquiring mind. That is why I am here. So, please don't be offended if I misunderstand America or the Western culture. But you have to bear in mind that modern Serbia has been developing towards capitalism and European culture since the uprising against the Turks in 1804. We had a man named Dositej Obradović, who first went to a monastery and became a monk, but then he got disappointed into the Church, he left the monastery to travel across Europe and learn. He was a member of the Enlightenment movement, he was an advisor to Serbian leader Karađorđe, and the first Serbian minister of education in 1811. And then we had communism imposed to us in 1944, by that same Western civilization we believed in. So I must assume there is something wrong with the modern Western civilization.
I want to notice historic patterns, and to draw parallels. And if I learn British Empire had intentionally starved Irish to death, and Bolsheviks had intentionally starved Russians to death, and the British ambassador to Russia supported the Bolsheviks, I have to notice a pattern, and to draw a parallel, not caring if ones were capitalists and the others were communists. Or another example, how could British government accuse Hitler of being a monster for wanting to conquer the world and for creating concentration camps, when, at the same time, British were conquering the world for centuries, and have invented and held concentration camps already. Hitler and Stalin have just improved British inventions. I am trying to use the common sense.
Quote from: milos on May 25, 2015, 05:20:47 AM
Hi! I see many trolls on this forum lately, who spill commie propaganda, and each one of them has "I love Conservative Political Forum!" as a personal text, like it is some code for them to recognize each other. I mean, I am not here that often, and I am not from the USA, but they annoy me so much, and what annoys me the most is I see the same commies here on Serbian forums, too, with the same commie propaganda, like they are spreading from one world commie center. I see the forum administration being tolerant towards them, and even answering on their topics. They have done so much damage here in Serbia, even poisoned nationalistic movements, so much that all political forces here are more or less commie now. I was a victim of their commie propaganda for a very long time, believing they were actually patriots. They are those who blame capitalism and USA for everything evil in the world and in our country, even though they have no clue what capitalism is, and what USA is, or at least what it's meant to be. I had a luck to encounter with Ron Paul's texts and videos on internet, and he opened my eyes on true America. (Although we may disagree on that. :cool:) He made me start thinking and researching, and I begun recognizing stupid commie propaganda had poisoned me, too. And what amazes me the most, when I promote capitalism and personal freedom here in my country, everyone on the left and on the right, commies, national-socialists, Christian nationalists, all of them who are every day enemies to each other, will join together to attack me and support each other against me. One call me "a filthy capitalist who wants to get rich on poor people and let them die", others call me "a liberal who wants to destroy their national identity". While I myself am trying to promote traditional, national, Christian values. It is just that I stand for personal freedom which marks me as their enemy. It is so strange, because one could think most people would like personal freedom. But no, most people like totalitarism, they like someone else thinks instead of them, and makes decisions in their lives instead of them. I believe the 21st century will be marked as a century of war for personal freedom. Yet, most people will choose totalitarism, as they are being frightened of personal freedom by stupid commie propaganda.
In the old days of propaganda, they had the "Fifth Column" of subversives turning out for demonstrations and whipping up as much dissention as the could and speading their vile filth in the media of the time: newspapers and other publications...The modern era of internet and 24 hour cable "news" has given rise to a whole network of "Fifth Columnists" spreading the same old party line throughout their echo chamber.
The old COMINTERN (Communist Party International) went to hole a long time ago. They never really went away; they just stopped being so obviously connected to one another, since subterfuge is far more productive means to achieve their desired political ends!
Long ago, it was reported that Obama has a team of young leftist bloggers operating right out of the Whitehouse!
Quote from: milos on June 05, 2015, 12:54:11 AM
Or another example, how could British government accuse Hitler of being a monster for wanting to conquer the world and for creating concentration camps, when, at the same time, British were conquering the world for centuries, and have invented and held concentration camps already. Hitler and Stalin have just improved British inventions. I am trying to use the common sense.
Are you quite sure you are not thinking of the Ottomans? The British, the Norwegians, the Italians, Germans, Spanish, and French, they were the ones with the ocean going fleets and international communications. What came to be known as the British Empire actually started out as small plantations in far flung tropical islands in the Caribbean and South Pacific. European influence spread with technology that the world welcomed. I doubt the world has ever seen such improvements in the human condition than over the time period when European culture and language spread out all over the world.
Coincident with those modern developments was the sweeping acceptance of the Protestant Reformation -- God as the authority, not the institutions of man. Freedom. You must have heard. Jesus as the saving grace, not some infant.
Some hold that the root and source of all problems today is the Counter Reformation, or, the unceasing quest to restore global authority to its sixth century root.
http://www.ianpaisley.org/article.asp?artkey=jesuits (http://www.ianpaisley.org/article.asp?artkey=jesuits)
Quote from: red_dirt on June 05, 2015, 05:24:01 AM
Are you quite sure you are not thinking of the Ottomans? The British, the Norwegians, the Italians, Germans, Spanish, and French, they were the ones with the ocean going fleets and international communications. What came to be known as the British Empire actually started out as small plantations in far flung tropical islands in the Caribbean and South Pacific. European influence spread with technology that the world welcomed. I doubt the world has ever seen such improvements in the human condition than over the time period when European culture and language spread out all over the world.
Coincident with those modern developments was the sweeping acceptance of the Protestant Reformation -- God as the authority, not the institutions of man. Freedom. You must have heard. Jesus as the saving grace, not some infant.
Some hold that the root and source of all problems today is the Counter Reformation, or, the unceasing quest to restore global authority to its sixth century root.
http://www.ianpaisley.org/article.asp?artkey=jesuits (http://www.ianpaisley.org/article.asp?artkey=jesuits)
Conquest (and barbarism) is the history of the world! Civilized society tries it's best to mitigate this primitive human instinct. The concept of the League of Nations and later the United Nations recognized that civilized soicieties would be far better off getting along together than continuing to do what has always been done. Kumbya is such a wonderful illusion!
Reality sucks! That's why those who HOPE & BELIEVE are willing to follow any Leader who promises them the CHANGE they long for. All the while these TRUE BELIEVERS, share an aversion of accepting reality! That's why facts matter far less than feelings to the Libtarded Left!
The Bible says there will always be wars and rumors of wars. I guess if one disregards the truth while chasing rabbits, this insight has no meaning to them.
There is good and evil in this world. Again and again, the forces of good must be marshalled against the forces of evil, which ultimately, always want to conquer the world...begining with conquoring the niceset; becase evil doers percieve them to be the weakest!
Quote from: wally on June 05, 2015, 06:26:20 AM
There is good and evil in this world. Again and again, the forces of good must be marshalled against the forces of evil,
There are forces of evil in work right now. Words from american in Donbass (former Ukraine. I hope) :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgB2bhFfEtM
I always felt that when the Soviet Union broke up, they left all those ethnic Russians in the former Soviet republics to provide them with a reason to interfere in their internal affairs. Why not? It worked for Hitler.
Quote from: kalash on June 05, 2015, 10:40:52 AM
There are forces of evil in work right now. Words from american in Donbass (former Ukraine. I hope) :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgB2bhFfEtM
Hmmm, In the sixties I saw a lot of people wearing hats with that little red star, in support of HoChi Mihn, Mao Tse Tung and even Che Gueverra. (and against America and whoever is in charge of our nation)
I wonder if this is a relic from that era (the guy and the hat) when tragic pictures of the suffering of war were often woven into false narratives for propaganda purposes... I don't trust Obama... but I don't condemn the United States, as this guy does. Vladimir Putin was both a Field Agent and former Head of the Soviet KGB. One of their favorite tactics (now even employed by groups like Hamas (Scumass) ) is to use the back drop of a bombed out building to push a false narrative about inocent civilians they always claim were in this bombed out building. Who's to say what the truth was! Him?
Adolph Hitler and the NAZIs' blamed the jews for blowing up the Reichstag (when it was the Nazi's that did it themselves). Nero blamed the Christians for burning down Rome. It's a worn out tool!
I don't like commies of any sort; That goes for Obama and "workers of the world" who want to "unite" to support the revolution! I don't trust anything these people say and am suspicious of everything they do.
This guy is disguised as derelict, but I don't buy it. He posted another You Tube video this week, this one from the hospital, with what is left of the Tev family. It is all very sad. He has removed the red star from his hat. We can assume he is one of the rebels, sympathetic to the Soviet Union.
I'm not going for our Milo as an authoritative source, here. I suspect he has an axe to grind. Everyone knows, if the Irish or anyone else for that matter got their ass kicked they probably had it coming. Those were the days. We saw different movies.
My understanding is that Mr. Putin is taking advantage of Obama's (or, America's) lack of character to regain territory. Briefly, Russia genocides the population of West Ukraine and replaces them with Russian Communists. When West Ukraine voted to join the EU, Russia became angry and arranged a revolt. America was criticized for standing by with its hands in its pockets. Obama got a lot of golf in over that time. That was likely a clever jab at white male culture, consistent with his anti-colonial agenda and his weather underground connections, Marxist Jews, anti Capitalists, Anti British Empire, Jesuit Counter Reformationists, and the rest of those A-H who have in common the hatred and resentment of Gringo Culture, you know, plaid or Khaki pants, club blazers, cocktails at the closing bell.
Soros, by the way, may have more in common with hooded, store front window smashing street dealers than he has with decent hard working Americans. Those are his troops. Who knows, maybe he's a little light in the loafers, himself. Got a better explanation? What a grandiose delusion: sell Capitalism short, set out to destroy it. Earn that spot in history, win the World Series of Poker.
This man Peter Poroshenko, referred to repeatedly in the video as a Nazi, is a legally elected president of Ukraine. He wants to put down the revolt and keep options open with the European Union. Putin, in the meanwhile, is making points by cleverly exploiting the confusion in the west created by Obama in order to redraw old borders. There is no way I am going to believe that V. Putin would be stupid enough to leave the driving to Barack Obama and his collection of mixed race multi cultural, commie clinging, zero religion misfits, or, the same, at the DNC, which by definition includes the Clintons. (The Clintons are actually the canaries in the coal mines. They embody the international measure of depravity.)
I know that is a lot to take in, but if you see any glaring errors, speak right up, plz.
Quote from: red_dirt on June 05, 2015, 03:55:10 PM
I'm not going for our Milo as an authoritative source, here. I suspect he has an axe to grind. Everyone knows, if the Irish or anyone else for that matter got their ass kicked they probably had it coming. Those were the days. We saw different movies.
So, you probably don't accuse Hitler for anything either, because those were the days, and Jews had it coming? But Americans adopted The Bill of Rights in 1791, long before the British genocide over the Irish and the German genocide over the Jews. Those were the days, too, when The Bill of Rights was accepted. I sincerely believe in The Bill of Rights, actually that was the way I have been thinking even before I have read it. Those principles are my reference in everything I write. I do what an Enlightener would do. I try to think freely, say what I think, use reason and common sense, question everything. And now, I am being accused of hating the Western civilization and having an axe to grind. All I do is asking how could the Americans, who adopted The Bill of Rights, join in an alliance with the British Empire, I mean in WWI, WWII, and NATO, when the British Empire stands for everything opposite to The Bill of Rights? I would assume the Americans are freedom lovers, and I am confused I hear from the Americans that colonialism is ok. If colonialism is ok, why did the Americans rebel against the British Empire, why didn't they just continue to live happily ever after as a British colony? And actually, I am not attacking colonialism as a phenomenon, I understand European countries were overpopulated and they needed colonies for settlement and cultivation. I am rather reffering to the evil nature of the British Empire, for colonialism is one thing, and another thing is destroying other nations on purpose, as they did. And they have targeted freedom-loving nations, like the Irish and the Serbs, which both belong to the Western civilization.
Quote from: red_dirt on June 05, 2015, 05:24:01 AM
Are you quite sure you are not thinking of the Ottomans? The British, the Norwegians, the Italians, Germans, Spanish, and French, they were the ones with the ocean going fleets and international communications. What came to be known as the British Empire actually started out as small plantations in far flung tropical islands in the Caribbean and South Pacific. European influence spread with technology that the world welcomed. I doubt the world has ever seen such improvements in the human condition than over the time period when European culture and language spread out all over the world.
Coincident with those modern developments was the sweeping acceptance of the Protestant Reformation -- God as the authority, not the institutions of man. Freedom. You must have heard. Jesus as the saving grace, not some infant.
Some hold that the root and source of all problems today is the Counter Reformation, or, the unceasing quest to restore global authority to its sixth century root.
http://www.ianpaisley.org/article.asp?artkey=jesuits (http://www.ianpaisley.org/article.asp?artkey=jesuits)
Yes, I have read even Stalin and Fidel Castro were Jesuits. Jesuits want to infiltrate all governments and Churches to take them over, etc. But, I don't get it what have I to do with the Jesuits, because I am totally opposite to them, I believe in personal freedom and that no man shall control other men, and that is what I'm saying. In my private life, I even question Jesus every day, and I conclude he is right every time. And that is why nobody forced me to believe in him, but it is my free decision. The head of my Serbian Orthodox Church is Jesus Christ. Our Patriarch is just the first among the equals. That is the official attitude of my Church.
Good you mention the Ottomans. British Empire had always supported the Ottoman Empire in the Balkans. Their reason for doing so was to prevent Russian influence in the Balkans. Because British Empire and Russian Empire were always enemies. And Balkan nations have suffered because of the British support to the Ottomans. And now, and unfortunately, the United States are continuing the same politics in the Balkans, because Turkey is their valuable ally in the NATO. But, can you find me any American ideal in NATO? There is no any, because NATO is just an extended British Empire. So, the British Empire has been always our worst enemy, alongside with the Ottoman Empire. Maybe now you will understand better why I hate British Empire that much.
Quote from: red_dirt on June 05, 2015, 03:55:10 PM
Briefly, Russia genocides the population of West Ukraine and replaces them with Russian Communists.
[/b] When West Ukraine voted to join the EU, Russia became angry and arranged a revolt.
"Genocide of population of West Ukraine"?! What the **** was that? I don't think you know, that Western Ukraine was affiliated in Soviet Union in 1939? When this "genocide" happened? During the nazi occupation? You blame SU for that?
And this: "When West Ukraine voted to join the EU, Russia became angry and arranged a revolt." I do not even understand , what are you talking about... Maybe you've got it from journalists like this one:
http://blog.fagstein.com/2015/05/23/did-francois-bugingo-make-up-his-international-reporting/
Quote from: milos on June 06, 2015, 12:36:20 AM
So, you probably don't accuse Hitler for anything either, because those were the days, and Jews had it coming?
There is a term for this kind of device in logic and debate. Can't recall right now. So, tell me, do you still beat your wife?
Incidentally, the excesses against the Irish occurred in 1649-1650 during the Three Kingdoms War. Jesuit Ireland had either butchered or driven some 140,000 Irish Protestants into the sea. When the British Army stepped in, the Jesuits had chased the remaining Protestants into the Northern counties and were in the process of finishing them off. There's another genocide for your collection.
Did I mention that Irish Royalists were forming on the island in preparation for an invasion of England to exterminate Parliament? But of course, you knew that.
Quote from: milos on June 06, 2015, 12:36:20 AM
There is no any, because NATO is just an extended British Empire. So, the British Empire has been always our worst enemy, alongside with the Ottoman Empire. Maybe now you will understand better why I hate British Empire that much.
As I say, thank you for stimulating the discussion. There is a wealth of information on this topic, readily available on line, and that's where I have begun to look. The information is contradictory and complex, but at least the information is presented a statements of position, not propaganda and opinion as it is being presented here.
Nothing personal, Milos, but, are you a Soviet communist working to restore the former union?
If you are, I should think Obama would thrill you and your friends.
Quote from: red_dirt on June 06, 2015, 03:20:22 AM
There is a term for this kind of device in logic and debate. Can't recall right now. So, tell me, do you still beat your wife?
Incidentally, the excesses against the Irish occurred in 1649-1650 during the Three Kingdoms War. Jesuit Ireland had either butchered or driven some 140,000 Irish Protestants into the sea. When the British Army stepped in, the Jesuits had chased the remaining Protestants into the Northern counties and were in the process of finishing them off. There's another genocide for your collection.
Did I mention that Irish Royalists were forming on the island in preparation for an invasion of England to exterminate Parliament? But of course, you knew that.
And Hitler would say that Jews have committed a crime over Germans in the way they stolen German wealth, and so Germany had to get rid of them. There is some evidence that German National-Socialists were under Jesuit control, and Heinrich Himmler being the chief Jesuit commander. Vatican and Jesuits have always hated Jews. I am not putting these words into your mouth, of course, it is me who is saying this. Ok, I understand your point, there is a struggle between Catholics and Protestants in the British Isles, similar to one in the Balkans between Orthodox, Catholics, and Muslims. But still I can't justify any kind of genocide.
Quote from: red_dirt on June 06, 2015, 03:20:22 AM
As I say, thank you for stimulating the discussion. There is a wealth of information on this topic, readily available on line, and that's where I have begun to look. The information is contradictory and complex, but at least the information is presented a statements of position, not propaganda and opinion as it is being presented here.
Nothing personal, Milos, but, are you a Soviet communist working to restore the former union?
If you are, I should think Obama would thrill you and your friends.
Thank you for taking the participation. I try to present facts, but it is always difficult to be completely objective, because I have to look from my perspective. Am I a Soviet communist? OMG, after all I have written. Ask Mr Kalash, ha ha. :wink: If I spoke like this on some Russian forum, they would kick me out immediately as an American spy. :huh: But Kalash is still my brother, and no one should have any doubts about that. :cool: (Lol, it is just now that I have figured out Kalash is short for Kalashnikov.)
If we try to understand current political situation, we must take ourselves far back into history. My knowledge of history may be a bit warped, but I surely know more than an average person. :smile: When you mention Western civilization, you have to remember that Western civilization was born in Greece, that is in the Balkans. It was the Ottoman Turkish occupation during the 15th century that brought us back into the stone age. So, Turkey is our worst enemy. Their goal was to conquer Vienna, and it still is, no matter we live in the 21st century. There were two main powers that were helping us to liberate from the Turks. During the 17th and the 18th century it was the Austrian Empire. During the 19th century it was the Russian Empire. Austrian Empire is gone now, but Russia is still there. During the 19th century, Balkan nations were looking into Russia to defeat Turkey, because every Russian victory over Turkey meant more freedom to Balkan nations. And then there was the British Empire, who wanted to prevent Russian Empire from reaching the Black Sea and the Mediterranean Sea. And so there was the Crimean War of 1853-1856, in which Britain and France allied with Turkey in order to prevent Russia from reaching the southern seas. That way, Britain and France worked directly against the interests of the Balkan nations. Exactly the same is happening today. Britain, France, Turkey, are allied into NATO, and they want to prevent Russia from reaching the southern seas. It is all so simple and obvious, and these are not some great words of wisdom, but just simple and obvious facts. And now, you have to put yourself into my perspective of a small Balkan nation. I have NATO, which is supporting Turkey, and is working for the interests of Balkan Muslims who want Turkey back. I mean, we have Muslim soccer fans who are shouting: "This is Turkey! This is Turkey!" on the stadiums. Therefore, NATO can't be my ally. So, my ally must be Russia. I hope you can recognize rational thinking here. I am sorry for Unites States are taking part in NATO, because if United States followed their true reason, they would support freedom of Balkan nations against Turkey.
And, let's look at this situation from the Israeli perspective, for another example. Strong Russia means more security for Israel, too. Because strong Russia means weaker Turkey and weaker Muslims in general. NATO wants to keep peace in the Middle East, but it just doesn't have enough soldiers there for that job. NATO should send like million soldiers or so to be effective, but that is not likely ever to happen. But Russia is there on the borders, and has enough power to keep the Muslims quiet. By weakening Russia, NATO weakens Israel, too, and does a favor to Muslims. I have heard some catastrophic predictions for 2016, that Muslims in the Middle East will manage to unite against Israel, they will destroy it, and Jews will flee into Balkans to find refuge. And then Muslims will try to conquer Europe once again. I don't know if this could ever really happen, but if it does happen, then it would be the guilt of NATO, because by weakening Russia NATO encourages Muslims for an offensive.
Oh, wow, another European poster with an axe to grind about Catholics...in this case Jesuits.
Just WHY are Jesuits so evil, there, Mr. Expert? Go on and 'splain it to us.
Quote from: quiller on June 07, 2015, 07:33:03 AM
Oh, wow, another European poster with an axe to grind about Catholics...in this case Jesuits.
Just WHY are Jesuits so evil, there, Mr. Expert? Go on and 'splain it to us.
I suppose this was addressed to me? It seems I run an axe production center. :wink:
First, what are the differences between my Orthodox Christianity and the Catholic one? There are few, but they are important. One is that the Pope has proclaimed himself infallible from errors regarding matters of faith and morals under the protection of the Holy Ghost. But we believe every man is fallible, because every man is sinful, and can't be absolutely protected by the Holy Ghost from errors regarding matters of faith and morals, and that only the God is infallible. The other is that the Catholic Church believes that the Holy Ghost comes from both the Father and the Son, while we believe that the Holy Ghost comes only from the Father. And then, we find that the Catholic Church worships Holy Virgin Mary as a deity, while we consider her just the most pure of all the women. There are also differences in the Church organization. While the Catholic Church is centralised around the Pope, we have many autocephalous Orthodox Churches which are equal among themselves. That is why we never needed Reformation. And when knowing all of these reasons, you can easily assume why we are not fond of the Jesuits, as a kind of Pope's warriors. We believe they tend to infiltrate into other Churches and into governments, in order to adhere them to the Pope.
There is a difference between Catholics and Jesuits. Keeping an eye on the Jesuits does not equate with being anti-Catholic, by any stretch of the imagination.
Religious exclusivists, militarism, infiltrations, subversion, all those things are probably better left to independent study or to dedicated theological study. Those topics likely would not benefit Tea Party goals and aims, and can easily create confusion, especially since they are topics intentionally clothed in secrecy.
I mentioned Jesuits. I think it was in reference to Milo's steady positive references to the IRA, an organization that has for some time been on the US State Departments list of terrorist organizations, not a distinguished society it itself, that.
Stop!
Don't make me move this again. This is not the religion forum!
Quote from: Solar on June 08, 2015, 05:32:00 AM
Stop!
Don't make me move this again. This is not the religion forum!
However! http://www.jesuits.org/
This Jesuit distraction *IS* stupid commie propaganda, a long-term assault against Christianity in general and the more activist Jesuit faction among Catholic adult males.
YES, it is a side-issue to the larger argument. It further exposes the bias of this Euro-troll. Suggest he/she/it gets some real facts on that subject...while, as you say, debating the overall topic.
Quote from: quiller on June 08, 2015, 06:05:27 AM
However! http://www.jesuits.org/
This Jesuit distraction *IS* stupid commie propaganda, a long-term assault against Christianity in general and the more activist Jesuit faction among Catholic adult males.
YES, it is a side-issue to the larger argument. It further exposes the bias of this Euro-troll. Suggest he/she/it gets some real facts on that subject...while, as you say, debating the overall topic.
Yes, "social justice" is the religious tie between marxism and religion..... as demonstrated by Jeremiah Wright AND the Pope....... more explicitly the Jesuit sect. This Pope is the first Jesuit Pope.
This "social justice" gospel is extremely prevalent in South America! It is a front for marxism.
This is where it gets dicey...... and sucks in unsuspecting voters.
Yes, Marxism is a cancer and infects all aspects of life, including religion, but religion is only a tiny percent of the issue.
Education, politics, banking, gender, environment, military. The list is endless, destroying religion in many cases is where it starts, but it's all the points after, that complete the picture.
To view Marxism and the religious, is taking a very extreme myopic view of the disease known as Marxism.
So drop it! Everything, and nothing involves religion, depending on the view of the individual.
This happens in every thread that mentions religion, it detracts from the bigger issue, ending in total derailment.
If you all want to continue this in a religious context, then it can be moved one last time. After which, it will be locked.
Quote from: red_dirt on June 08, 2015, 04:04:06 AM
I mentioned Jesuits. I think it was in reference to Milo's steady positive references to the IRA, an organization that has for some time been on the US State Departments list of terrorist organizations, not a distinguished society it itself, that.
You mean this was my positive reference to the IRA?
Quote from: milos on June 05, 2015, 10:44:22 PM
I strongly support the Irish in their struggle, and I admire the Irish as one of the most brave and freedom-loving peoples on the Earth. But, I will never support terrorism of any kind and whatever the reason. And furthermore, I have reasons to believe that the IRA was organized by the British government, in order to mark the Irish people as terrorists, and undermine their legitimate fight for freedom.
Quote from: Solar on June 08, 2015, 06:39:20 AM
Yes, Marxism is a cancer and infects all aspects of life, including religion, but religion is only a tiny percent of the issue.
Education, politics, banking, gender, environment, military. The list is endless, destroying religion in many cases is where it starts, but it's all the points after, that complete the picture.
To view Marxism and the religious, is taking a very extreme myopic view of the disease known as Marxism.
So drop it! Everything, and nothing involves religion, depending on the view of the individual.
This happens in every thread that mentions religion, it detracts from the bigger issue, ending in total derailment.
If you all want to continue this in a religious context, then it can be moved one last time. After which, it will be locked.
It is not possible to talk about Marxism, and not to mention history and religion. In my country, Marxism meant breaking all ties with traditional values and Christianity. Here is an image of a Serbian communist shot Jesus in the forehead. I have a feeling that commie has shot himself when shooting Jesus.
(https://scontent-vie1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtf1/v/t1.0-9/11109279_880033078720939_646166424105139959_n.jpg?oh=53be80b0c49ff4714d140d2954017b3d&oe=55FE819D)
https://www.facebook.com/ThisIsChristianSerbia/photos/a.779932302064351.1073741828.779518938772354/880033078720939/?type=1&theater (https://www.facebook.com/ThisIsChristianSerbia/photos/a.779932302064351.1073741828.779518938772354/880033078720939/?type=1&theater)
It provoked me to start this topic when I saw communists were attacking the American excellence here. While they claim that Americans should give up their excellence, and the American excellence is that evil force which ruins the modern world - I believe it's quite the opposite, and that most of the Americans have actually forgotten their excellence, and it is the problem which ruins the modern world. If I am right that the American excellence means freedom, personal liberty, justice, rule of law, free trade. I feel America should stand above other countries, and not wrestle in mud together with the others, as America does now. I feel America is meant to be a just mediator in world relationships, but not to get involved into them. When you support one side against another, it is not justice for all anymore. When you impose trade embargo on others, it is not free trade anymore. Please, correct me if I'm wrong.
Quote from: milos on June 09, 2015, 01:44:44 AM
You mean this was my positive reference to the IRA?
It is not possible to talk about Marxism, and not to mention history and religion. In my country, Marxism meant breaking all ties with traditional values and Christianity. Here is an image of a Serbian communist shot Jesus in the forehead. I have a feeling that commie has shot himself when shooting Jesus.
(https://scontent-vie1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtf1/v/t1.0-9/11109279_880033078720939_646166424105139959_n.jpg?oh=53be80b0c49ff4714d140d2954017b3d&oe=55FE819D)
https://www.facebook.com/ThisIsChristianSerbia/photos/a.779932302064351.1073741828.779518938772354/880033078720939/?type=1&theater (https://www.facebook.com/ThisIsChristianSerbia/photos/a.779932302064351.1073741828.779518938772354/880033078720939/?type=1&theater)
It provoked me to start this topic when I saw communists were attacking the American excellence here. While they claim that Americans should give up their excellence, and the American excellence is that evil force which ruins the modern world - I believe it's quite the opposite, and that most of the Americans have actually forgotten their excellence, and it is the problem which ruins the modern world. If I am right that the American excellence means freedom, personal liberty, justice, rule of law, free trade. I feel America should stand above other countries, and not wrestle in mud together with the others, as America does now. I feel America is meant to be a just mediator in world relationships, but not to get involved into them. When you support one side against another, it is not justice for all anymore. When you impose trade embargo on others, it is not free trade anymore. Please, correct me if I'm wrong.
Your last paragraph sums up what Amercia has been and should be. I wish you could get that message to the current resident of the WH.
Quote from: milos on June 09, 2015, 01:44:44 AM
You mean this was my positive reference to the IRA?
It is not possible to talk about Marxism, and not to mention history and religion. In my country, Marxism meant breaking all ties with traditional values and Christianity. Here is an image of a Serbian communist shot Jesus in the forehead. I have a feeling that commie has shot himself when shooting Jesus.
(https://scontent-vie1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtf1/v/t1.0-9/11109279_880033078720939_646166424105139959_n.jpg?oh=53be80b0c49ff4714d140d2954017b3d&oe=55FE819D)
https://www.facebook.com/ThisIsChristianSerbia/photos/a.779932302064351.1073741828.779518938772354/880033078720939/?type=1&theater (https://www.facebook.com/ThisIsChristianSerbia/photos/a.779932302064351.1073741828.779518938772354/880033078720939/?type=1&theater)
It provoked me to start this topic when I saw communists were attacking the American excellence here. While they claim that Americans should give up their excellence, and the American excellence is that evil force which ruins the modern world - I believe it's quite the opposite, and that most of the Americans have actually forgotten their excellence, and it is the problem which ruins the modern world. If I am right that the American excellence means freedom, personal liberty, justice, rule of law, free trade. I feel America should stand above other countries, and not wrestle in mud together with the others, as America does now. I feel America is meant to be a just mediator in world relationships, but not to get involved into them. When you support one side against another, it is not justice for all anymore. When you impose trade embargo on others, it is not free trade anymore. Please, correct me if I'm wrong.
I understand and agree, the two are symbiotic, but I also understand human nature, and faith can bring out the animal in people.
It's why we have a religion forum. Every thread that wanders into religion, remains there, and never recovers, which is why I said it would be the last time I'd move this thread.
To invoke religion, is to set a death sentence to the original topic, this is inescapable, it's basic human nature, it's also a way to create enemies among members, something I will not tolerate.
So make your choice wisely. Either get back to your original intent, or be relegated to the religion forum.
Solar, it is plain that some in the thread feel the aspect of religion is central to the disputes we are seeing on the world stage. I can easily understand the moderator point of view of not wanting every political discussion turn into a religious cat fight, and I can certainly understand the best interests of the forum is not served by raising issues that in no way will ever be laid on the table cards face up, subject to open, public debate. That's not the way religion operates, nor often, politics.
What I would like to see us avoid is this mindset that terrorism and religion are not related. It has taken us years to get over that little obstacle of political correctness. You're the man. Could you open a thread in Religion that would accommodate interests of all concerned? You may be the most objective one to do it.
Quote from: red_dirt on June 09, 2015, 06:47:21 AM
Solar, it is plain that some in the thread feel the aspect of religion is central to the disputes we are seeing on the world stage. I can easily understand the moderator point of view of not wanting every political discussion turn into a religious cat fight, and I can certainly understand the best interests of the forum is not served by raising issues that in no way will ever be laid on the table cards face up, subject to open, public debate. That's not the way religion operates, nor often, politics.
What I would like to see us avoid is this mindset that terrorism and religion are not related. It has taken us years to get over that little obstacle of political correctness. You're the man. Could you open a thread in Religion that would accommodate interests of all concerned? You may be the most objective one to do it.
That's kind of the point. This thread was going along fine with some insightful views on history, until religion was invoked into the topic, which is always an instant death sentence for the original subject.
I want to keep this topic here, but if people insist on changing the objective of the OP, I'm forced to move it, as you pointed out, "To avoid the inevitable cat fight".
Thing is, if I let this thread slide, then I fail the members on protecting other topics from being derailed into a discussion on religion.
Once people see they have carteblanche on topics, the forum becomes a free for all, and people simply leave, angry, I might add.
One thing people can be assured of, is OP's generally keep within subject guidelines until it exhausts itself on it's own merits, and generally takes on a different aspect of the same issue.
See, had I simply moved this in the beginning, that would have been the end of it, but because I didn't, look where it wound up.
This what happens when majority decides.
Quote from: supsalemgr on June 09, 2015, 04:46:45 AM
Your last paragraph sums up what Amercia has been and should be. I wish you could get that message to the current resident of the WH.
Thank you for understanding me. You see, I am not hating America when I criticize it, I actually want American help and support. But not help and support by protecting one side, but help and support by protecting justice for all. And to be able to implement justice for all, you must hear all kinds of arguments from all sides, including history and religion.
And oops, I wrote "American excellence", when it's usually called "American exceptionalism", abut I assume it would mean the same.
Quote from: Solar on June 09, 2015, 05:51:12 AM
I understand and agree, the two are symbiotic, but I also understand human nature, and faith can bring out the animal in people.
It's why we have a religion forum. Every thread that wanders into religion, remains there, and never recovers, which is why I said it would be the last time I'd move this thread.
To invoke religion, is to set a death sentence to the original topic, this is inescapable, it's basic human nature, it's also a way to create enemies among members, something I will not tolerate.
So make your choice wisely. Either get back to your original intent, or be relegated to the religion forum.
Yes, that is why I have accepted Libertarian point of view, because that is the best way to talk to other people who disagree with you without hate.
Quote from: milos on June 09, 2015, 11:39:29 PM
Yes, that is why I have accepted Libertarian point of view, because that is the best way to talk to other people who disagree with you without hate.
Interesting, people, who signing this petition, are they libertarians, republican or liberals?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkgbHfbPk4E&feature=youtu.be
Quote from: kalash on June 10, 2015, 11:46:30 AM
Interesting, people, who signing this petition, are they libertarians, republican or liberals?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkgbHfbPk4E&feature=youtu.be
How do you sign a youtube petition? :biggrin:
I can't watch it, so do you have a link to the petition?
I have been reading up on the Ukraine, Milo, and am starting to understand the situation there a little better, but no thanks to you. That's not an attempt to discourage your input nor is it intended to denigrate your understanding or your position, even though I don't understand it very well. I also readily concede to know next to nothing, in the event you should take offense.
You are talking to Americans, here, not English, Europeans, or Irish. We traditionally put America's interests first, with something to spare. We see Russia, Ukraine, Europe (North, East, South, and West) The Mediterranean, the Balkans, the Middle East. It is only recently that our government and policy makers have begun to include top officials who admit to having global agendas. Some say that is a sign of America's coming of age. Others say we ought to make the entrance, as needed, get the job done, and get out, as we have always done, not leave a bunch of cultural embassies and bases like so much of a Roman Empire.
Prior to the outspoken Tea Party, we sat around and listened to Clinton's and Bush's BS, as if we had no say in the matter. We know Obama is a lemon and we know that his party represents a crisis in Democracy. What does not help us is sweeping generalizations from people we don't really even know where the heck they are coming from.
On this forum there are threads for politics and for religion, I'm sure your noticed. We don't want anyone to get mad.
Quote from: red_dirt on June 10, 2015, 06:59:37 PM
I have been reading up on the Ukraine, Milo, and am starting to understand the situation there a little better, but no thanks to you. That's not an attempt to discourage your input nor is it intended to denigrate your understanding or your position, even though I don't understand it very well. I also readily concede to know next to nothing, in the event you should take offense.
You are talking to Americans, here, not English, Europeans, or Irish. We traditionally put America's interests first, with something to spare. We see Russia, Ukraine, Europe (North, East, South, and West) The Mediterranean, the Balkans, the Middle East. It is only recently that our government and policy makers have begun to include top officials who admit to having global agendas. Some say that is a sign of America's coming of age. Others say we ought to make the entrance, as needed, get the job done, and get out, as we have always done, not leave a bunch of cultural embassies and bases like so much of a Roman Empire.
Prior to the outspoken Tea Party, we sat around and listened to Clinton's and Bush's BS, as if we had no say in the matter. We know Obama is a lemon and we know that his party represents a crisis in Democracy. What does not help us is sweeping generalizations from people we don't really even know where the heck they are coming from.
On this forum there are threads for politics and for religion, I'm sure your noticed. We don't want anyone to get mad.
Check this out, it might shed just a tiny bit of light on the subject.
Since the end of the Soviet Union, NATO has expanded to include the three Baltic nations -- Estonia, Latvia (pictured) and Lithuania -- and many former members of the Soviet Warsaw Pact alliance. Putin has complained that the alliance now reaches Russia's borders, and he's strongly objected to the prospect of Ukraine joining the alliance.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-06-10/europeans-blink-as-putin-puts-pressure-on-nato-polling-finds
Quote from: Solar on June 10, 2015, 08:01:51 PM
Check this out, it might shed just a tiny bit of light on the subject.
Since the end of the Soviet Union, NATO has expanded to include the three Baltic nations -- Estonia, Latvia (pictured) and Lithuania -- and many former members of the Soviet Warsaw Pact alliance. Putin has complained that the alliance now reaches Russia's borders, and he's strongly objected to the prospect of Ukraine joining the alliance.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-06-10/europeans-blink-as-putin-puts-pressure-on-nato-polling-finds
That's a good link, Solar. Thanks for finding it. The only thing I don't like is that when the papers have to illustrate the face of America, they post Obama's mug shot, like they did here. Disgusting. Counting down the months.
So, here is the deal. Ukrane is split. Eastern half speaks Russian. Western half speaks Ukraine.
East faces NATO. West faces Soviet Union. So, whose the friggin country? is it one nation or is it two? When the vote, do they all vote? Is Poroshenko (or however the h you say it) in charge of all of it? I get the part that the rebels are the communist half, the east. Then, I also see this modern western look like in that trade conference web site we looked at here.
I am gradually getting the picture. Sorry to be so dense, but not exactly a high priority topic in my world (of Indians wanting their land back. :sneaky: )
Here, I'll leave that link up. It's a good one.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-06-10/europeans-blink-as-putin-puts-pressure-on-nato-polling-finds
Bloomberg not my favorite Big Gulp, but when it comes to certain foreign affairs, he's tops. I just don't take to pols who somehow so conveniently find themselves followed by a commie. That goes for Dubya as well. Nothing concrete, just a gut reaction.
Quote from: kalash on June 10, 2015, 11:46:30 AM
Interesting, people, who signing this petition, are they libertarians, republican or liberals?
Those people are obviously liberals and Obama supporters. I suppose Mark Dice was trying to expose they would sign anything for Obama. If he wore an Obama t-shirt, and was asking people to support American union with Russia, those same people would probably sign that, too.
Libertarians, on the other side, believe in personal responsibility and non-aggression, and they would surely think more before signing anything for anyone.
The problem with you communists is that you believe all Americans are liberals. And the problem with Americans is they believe all Russians are communists.
I am aware of what Vladimir Putin is doing, he is trying to establish new Russian patriotism basing it on the Soviet heritage and victory in WWII. While I understand his patriotic intentions are good, I must disagree with his methods. I mean, how could any Russian follow Lenin, who was the worst anti-Russian of all times? That is just insane. Why don't you just drop Lenin and bolshevism, and return to traditional Russia?
Quote from: red_dirt on June 10, 2015, 06:59:37 PM
I have been reading up on the Ukraine, Milo, and am starting to understand the situation there a little better, but no thanks to you. That's not an attempt to discourage your input nor is it intended to denigrate your understanding or your position, even though I don't understand it very well. I also readily concede to know next to nothing, in the event you should take offense.
The situation in Ukraine is plain simple. You have ethnic Ukrainians in the north-west, and ethnic Russians in the south-east. Ukrainians are mostly pro-EU liberals, who want to end any Russian influence in Ukraine and join EU. Russians, on the other side, want more Russian influence in Ukraine, or to join Russia, and they protect all of the Soviet heritage in Ukraine, because they never wanted Soviet Union to break up in the first place. Regarding political and economic situation, there are those thugs called the oligarchs, who used breaking up of Soviet Union to get rich by connections with corrupted politicians. It is just the matter who will bribe those corrupted politicians and oligarchs more successfully, Russia or EU/NATO. And then you have a classic confrontation of power between Russia and NATO, who shall control the territory. And ordinary people suffer and get killed because of high politics, as it usually happens. My solution to the problem would be a neutral status of Ukraine between Russia and NATO.
Quote from: milos on June 11, 2015, 12:20:10 AM
Those people are obviously liberals and Obama supporters. I suppose Mark Dice was trying to expose they would sign anything for Obama. If he wore an Obama t-shirt, and was asking people to support American union with Russia, those same people would probably sign that, too.
Libertarians, on the other side, believe in personal responsibility and non-aggression, and they would surely think more before signing anything for anyone.
The problem with you communists is that you believe all Americans are liberals. And the problem with Americans is they believe all Russians are communists.
I am aware of what Vladimir Putin is doing, he is trying to establish new Russian patriotism basing it on the Soviet heritage and victory in WWII. While I understand his patriotic intentions are good, I must disagree with his methods. I mean, how could any Russian follow Lenin, who was the worst anti-Russian of all times? That is just insane. Why don't you just drop Lenin and bolshevism, and return to traditional Russia?
The situation in Ukraine is plain simple. You have ethnic Ukrainians in the north-west, and ethnic Russians in the south-east. Ukrainians are mostly pro-EU liberals, who want to end any Russian influence in Ukraine and join EU. Russians, on the other side, want more Russian influence in Ukraine, or to join Russia, and they protect all of the Soviet heritage in Ukraine, because they never wanted Soviet Union to break up in the first place. Regarding political and economic situation, there are those thugs called the oligarchs, who used breaking up of Soviet Union to get rich by connections with corrupted politicians. It is just the matter who will bribe those corrupted politicians and oligarchs more successfully, Russia or EU/NATO. And then you have a classic confrontation of power between Russia and NATO, who shall control the territory. And ordinary people suffer and get killed because of high politics, as it usually happens. My solution to the problem would be a neutral status of Ukraine between Russia and NATO.
In this country, Mexico once laid claim to Texas. We fought them for it, and now it's part of the U.S. and the people of Texas are citizens of the U.S. and follow U.S. laws.
The U.S. wouldn't let Mexico come back in and try to reclaim Texas.
Quote from: Dori on June 11, 2015, 06:05:29 AM
In this country, Mexico once laid claim to Texas. We fought them for it, and now it's part of the U.S. and the people of Texas are citizens of the U.S. and follow U.S. laws.
The U.S. wouldn't let Mexico come back in and try to reclaim Texas.
Excellent point, Dori!
And we actually gave a large chunk of Mexico back to them after the war.
Mexicans now wish we had not done that!!! :ohmy:
Quote from: milos on June 11, 2015, 12:20:10 AM
The situation in Ukraine is plain simple. You have ethnic Ukrainians in the north-west, and ethnic Russians in the south-east. Ukrainians are mostly pro-EU liberals, who want to end any Russian influence in Ukraine and join EU. Russians, on the other side, want more Russian influence in Ukraine, or to join Russia, and they protect all of the Soviet heritage in Ukraine, because they never wanted Soviet Union to break up in the first place. Regarding political and economic situation, there are those thugs called the oligarchs, who used breaking up of Soviet Union to get rich by connections with corrupted politicians. It is just the matter who will bribe those corrupted politicians and oligarchs more successfully, Russia or EU/NATO. And then you have a classic confrontation of power between Russia and NATO, who shall control the territory. And ordinary people suffer and get killed because of high politics, as it usually happens. My solution to the problem would be a neutral status of Ukraine between Russia and NATO.
That's the clearest statement of purpose out of you since the thread began, Milos. You have much to contribute, once you come off the lecturing us on everything you perceive to be wrong with us. We call that being a Bohunk. It's nothing new. Simple is sometimes better.
Quote from: Dori on June 11, 2015, 06:05:29 AM
In this country, Mexico once laid claim to Texas. We fought them for it, and now it's part of the U.S. and the people of Texas are citizens of the U.S. and follow U.S. laws.
The U.S. wouldn't let Mexico come back in and try to reclaim Texas.
O.K. Let's imagine situation when in Washington, as a result of the armed coup power was captured by militant nazis, who proclaimed their hatred to mexicans. And if parts of Taxes heavily populated by spanish speaking people, would decide to secede, would you consider this measure as having some justification?
Quote from: kalash on June 11, 2015, 03:15:41 PM
O.K. Let's imagine situation when in Washington, as a result of the armed coup power was captured by militant nazis, who proclaimed they hatred to mexicans. And if parts of Taxes heavily populated by spanish speaking people, would decide to secede, would you consider this measure as having some justification?
No, because it has to be ratified by roughly two thirds of the states.
Besides, Mexico had only been a country 30 years prior to Texas taking statehood, so in truth, Mexico has no legal claim to Texas.
Quote from: Solar on June 11, 2015, 03:23:34 PM
No, because it has to be ratified by roughly two thirds of the states.
Really? After nazi revolt and illegal seizure of power you still talking about "two thirds of the states"? Nice
Quote from: kalash on June 11, 2015, 03:36:24 PM
Really? After nazi revolt and illegal seizure of power you still talking about "two thirds of the states"? Nice
Ummm, We still have a Constitution, so as long as that's in place, your comment is pure nonsense.
Quote from: Solar on June 11, 2015, 04:40:39 PM
Ummm, We still have a Constitution, so as long as that's in place, your comment is pure nonsense.
As long as I remember I wrote about hypothetical situation: "O.K. Let's imagine situation when in Washington, as a result of the armed coup power was captured by militant nazis". In this case you wouldn't have constitution. (That's what happened in Ukraine).
Quote from: kalash on June 11, 2015, 04:45:34 PM
As long as I remember I wrote about hypothetical situation: "O.K. Let's imagine situation when in Washington, as a result of the armed coup power was captured by militant nazis". In this case you wouldn't have constitution. (That's what happened in Ukraine).
Let's imagine a situation where Vladimir Putin joins a nunnery and repents his commie sins. In that case Russia wouldn't have a czar.
That happens sooner than Nazis seizing American government.
Quote from: quiller on June 11, 2015, 04:49:10 PM
Let's imagine a situation where Vladimir Putin joins a nunnery and repents his commie sins. In that case Russia wouldn't have a czar.
That happens sooner than Nazis seizing American government.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Yep, when pigs fly. He fails to recognize we're not a Democracy, rather a Republic.
Quote from: Solar on June 11, 2015, 05:16:12 PM
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Yep, when pigs fly. He fails to recognize we're not a Democracy, rather a Republic.
Supposedly he as an 80% approval rate in his country.
Not quite as good as Kim Jong-un's or the Castro brothers.
Quote from: Dori on June 11, 2015, 05:29:33 PM
Supposedly he as an 80% approval rate in his country.
Not quite as good as Kim Jong-un's or the Castro brothers.
I have no doubt, considering he has the country in a lather over potential war and pounding the drum of Nationalism..
He has to keep their minds off the faltering economy, one based on energy exports, especially now, that the price of oil is killing OPED economies because we are now a bigger energy producer than Russia.
Hell, they had a huge storm cloud over Ukraine and people thought Russia attacked them with a nuke.
http://chronicle.su/2015/02/08/nuclear-bomb-detonated-in-ukraine-nuclear-blast-detected/
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Quote from: milos on May 25, 2015, 05:20:47 AM
Hi! I see many trolls on this forum lately, who spill commie propaganda, and each one of them has "I love Conservative Political Forum!" as a personal text, like it is some code for them to recognize each other.
That phrase is a default tag inserted by this forum's software creators, and it may be changed by the user in their control panel.
If you think it's code for anything, you are dead wrong, period, end of statement.
Quote from: quiller on June 11, 2015, 04:49:10 PM
Let's imagine a situation where Vladimir Putin joins a nunnery and repents his commie sins. In that case Russia wouldn't have a czar.
That happens sooner than Nazis seizing American government.
http://dailycaller.com/2015/09/11/almost-a-third-of-americans-could-imagine-supporting-a-military-coup-in-the-us/ :smile:
Quote from: kalash on September 13, 2015, 01:58:26 AM
http://dailycaller.com/2015/09/11/almost-a-third-of-americans-could-imagine-supporting-a-military-coup-in-the-us/ :smile:
If you're trying to foment treason, foreign poster, you address the wrong American.