Quote from: Solar on June 01, 2015, 01:35:06 PM
"It's a good one! Never heard before. Will be on my list right after  "Moon landing was filmed in Hollywood"
Don't tell me you're one of those rubes that think the moon landing was faked, are you?

Quote from: kroz on May 30, 2015, 04:12:54 AM
milos, consider the fact that you may have been subjected to a form of revisionist history.

Dinesh D'Souza made a movie about Obama a few years back and he went to Kenya and spoke with Kenyans about their colonialist roots.  Obama's own brother admitted that if Kenya had not gotten their independence from the British Empire they would be much better off today.  Once the British left, Kenya's economy ceased to grow in the way it did under British control.  He said that their lives were much better under colonialism.  He felt like Kenyan would have become as Singapore if they had not gotten their independence, which stagnated their economic growth.

I have lived many years in Asia and can tell you that Singaporeans..... although they love their independence... are keenly aware that it is the British that made their lives so much better than their neighbors.  Singapore is a prosperous jewel in the midst of poverty stricken Nations around them.  They realize they owe it all to the UK.  They were not enslaved or ravaged by the UK.  They were treated just like the British citizens they were deemed to be.

Even India was improved vastly during their British occupation.  They did nothing to hurt the people.  They raised those people our of horrible conditions and made it a civilized Nation.

So milo, I believe you have a warped knowledge of much of history.  Have you actually traveled to the former colonies of Asia and Africa?  What is the source of your knowledge?  Books and teachers?

Some of the colonies lived better, some lived worse. Look at the Irish, for example, they were the victims of British genocide, almost vanished from the face of the Earth. Or the Boer Wars in South Africa, when the British invented concentration camps for Boers. European colonialism is somewhat controversial subject. What would you reply, if someone comes to you, and asks you to obey his rule, in exchange for more wealth? Would you obey to him, or would you rather keep your freedom? It was the situation in colonies. Those who obeyed lived better, those who didn't want to obey were murdered. I was pointing out the difference between the British imperialism and the American spirit of freedom, that they are completely opposite to each other, and could never go together. I mean, what would George Washington say, if he saw United States were aligning to the British Empire? Like: "What was I fighting for?" I believe British royalty never really gave their power to the parliament, and that they still rule behind the scenes. I mean, if you kept one quarter of the world in your hands, would you give it up just like that?

Quote from: kalash on June 01, 2015, 01:26:55 PM
It's a good one! Never heard before. Will be on my list right after  "Moon landing was filmed in Hollywood" 

You see, when you come here with hostile attitude, your sarcasm will always be misunderstood. I wish Russians were more friendly and opened towards the world, that way the world would understand you better. There are many controversies about Tito, some claim that he died in 1913, some that he died during the Spanish Civil War, but the fact is that he was replaced by a double. After WWII, Tito visited his house of birth only once, and his mother, when she saw him, said: "This is not my son." Real Tito was a Croat, but his double was never able to speak Croatian (or Serbo-Croatian) properly without strong accent. It is also a fact that the Comintern have sentenced Tito to death in 1938.

Quote from: Solar on June 01, 2015, 01:35:06 PM
Don't tell me you're one of those rubes that think the moon landing was faked, are you?

Let me be that rube instead. Because, I believe the Moon landing was true, but the live TV transmission of the landing was fake. Because, the landing could have gone wrong at any point. Could you ever imagine NASA would allow it's possible failure being transmitted live to the world audience? So I do believe there was a Moon landing, but the footage of the landing was staged.

Quote from: milos on June 01, 2015, 11:27:38 PM
Some of the colonies lived better, some lived worse. Look at the Irish, for example, they were the victims of British genocide, almost vanished from the face of the Earth. Or the Boer Wars in South Africa, when the British invented concentration camps for Boers. European colonialism is somewhat controversial subject. What would you reply, if someone comes to you, and asks you to obey his rule, in exchange for more wealth? Would you obey to him, or would you rather keep your freedom? It was the situation in colonies. Those who obeyed lived better, those who didn't want to obey were murdered. I was pointing out the difference between the British imperialism and the American spirit of freedom, that they are completely opposite to each other, and could never go together. I mean, what would George Washington say, if he saw United States were aligning to the British Empire? Like: "What was I fighting for?" I believe British royalty never really gave their power to the parliament, and that they still rule behind the scenes. I mean, if you kept one quarter of the world in your hands, would you give it up just like that?

milo, the British royal family knew they had to relinquish power or go the way of the tsars!

Times change!  The world evolves and nothing is static.  Yes, they willingly gave up their real power because they were able to keep all the glamor and prestige.  They got to keep all the fanfare and drop all the work!!

Also, you fail to realize that the measuring rod you use today to measure the behavior of the colonial British Empire did not exist at that time.  Violence was a way of life EVERYWHERE.  There was no peaceful paradise where the royal crown went in and devastated.  That is a fantasy.  And that is where revisionist history comes into play.

If you want to create a boogieman, it is not difficult today because the youthful minds are vulnerable.  They are too far removed from any form of extended true hardships.  They do not comprehend the true nature of life prior to their existence and certainly do not understand why previous generations did not think/see the world the way they do.  The information era has changed so many things throughout the world...... and it has not ALL been for the good. 

Today's generation cannot perceive of the way most of the world once lived.... born and died in a world five miles wide...... never knowing what existed beyond the close periphery of their world..... no time for anything beyond growing crops or working a job and raising a family.  The basic essentials of life required all of their time.... not much leisure. 

Today's younger generation does not have much time for work amidst all of their leisure.

.........

and the moon landing was a LIVE event on TV which most of us on this forum watched.....  once again you are thinking in today's mindset.

Quote from: kroz on June 02, 2015, 04:19:17 AM
If you want to create a boogieman, it is not difficult today because the youthful minds are vulnerable.  They are too far removed from any form of extended true hardships.  They do not comprehend the true nature of life prior to their existence and certainly do not understand why previous generations did not think/see the world the way they do.  The information era has changed so many things throughout the world...... and it has not ALL been for the good. 
Today's generation cannot perceive of the way most of the world once lived.... born and died in a world five miles wide......

I think the true nature of Milo is gradually being drawn out into the open, as the layers peel away. At first,  thought this was going to be a contributor with special knowledge and insight into Balkan affairs, someone with something worthwhile to teach. Granted, I go in with skepticism about Central Europeans due to the fact that they just happened to come along and take active positions in the American labor movement at the same time international communism was making its successful move, 1914.  That having been said and set aside, I think I may have had expectations of Milo unlikely to be met.

I suspect what we are seeing here in another disgruntled intellectual, who, if you stick with him and follow his reasoning long enough, leads right down the road to bitterness and opposition to the established western European culture that not only led Europe out of the Dark Ages and into Enlightenment, but also created America and everything she has come to mean.

Once young minds buy into that boogieman notion, there is no turning back.  The influences will proceed to have a field day with them.  What immediately comes to mind is the example just seen on a recent post, here. The young black man proclaiming to the Freedom Watch reporter, "We don't hate you. Y'all are the Devil."

Quote from: milos on June 01, 2015, 11:27:38 PM
Some of the colonies lived better, some lived worse. Look at the Irish, for example, they were the victims of British genocide, almost vanished from the face of the Earth. Or the Boer Wars in South Africa, when the British invented concentration camps for Boers. European colonialism is somewhat controversial subject. What would you reply, if someone comes to you, and asks you to obey his rule, in exchange for more wealth? Would you obey to him, or would you rather keep your freedom? It was the situation in colonies. Those who obeyed lived better, those who didn't want to obey were murdered. I was pointing out the difference between the British imperialism and the American spirit of freedom, that they are completely opposite to each other, and could never go together. I mean, what would George Washington say, if he saw United States were aligning to the British Empire? Like: "What was I fighting for?" I believe British royalty never really gave their power to the parliament, and that they still rule behind the scenes. I mean, if you kept one quarter of the world in your hands, would you give it up just like that?

You see, when you come here with hostile attitude, your sarcasm will always be misunderstood. I wish Russians were more friendly and opened towards the world, that way the world would understand you better. There are many controversies about Tito, some claim that he died in 1913, some that he died during the Spanish Civil War, but the fact is that he was replaced by a double. After WWII, Tito visited his house of birth only once, and his mother, when she saw him, said: "This is not my son." Real Tito was a Croat, but his double was never able to speak Croatian (or Serbo-Croatian) properly without strong accent. It is also a fact that the Comintern have sentenced Tito to death in 1938.

Let me be that rube instead. Because, I believe the Moon landing was true, but the live TV transmission of the landing was fake. Because, the landing could have gone wrong at any point. Could you ever imagine NASA would allow it's possible failure being transmitted live to the world audience? So I do believe there was a Moon landing, but the footage of the landing was staged.

Nope, I remember it like it was yesterday, I also remember the claim that when the camera was turned on, that it was inadvertently turned on pointing at the sun which resulted in burning it's sensitive circuitry.
That part was a lie, there was nothing wrong with the camera, other than the govt wanting to keep the first images blurred from our enemies.
You have to keep in mind, we all knew the time frame from launch to landing, had they attempted to delay it, the world would have called them on it and you'd have seen proof of a faked landing.

No Milos, most of us on this forum remember that day in 1969 like it just happened, because it made that huge of an impact in our lives.
You have to see it from our perspective, before we landed on the moon, all of humanity, since the beginning of time used to look up and wonder in awe as to what was up there.

That all changed over night, and man would never look at the Heavens the same again.
No, we were extremely focused on the mission and a detail like a delayed release would have been the lead on the news.

We are also back to that argument about the flag waving straight out as if flapping in the wind. That, and the multiple shadows cast by the lights the astronauts turned on when they filmed the event. The top of the flag remained straight because the pole was built with a hinged horizontal rod so that the flag could be displayed for the camera and the American people.  It's all here:
https://youtu.be/yhab86KoVjU

Again, I am not going to attach much credibility to anything Milo has to say, though I am perfectly at ease with his first amendment right. Too, we just have to ask why it is that Americans are so eager to believe that everything their government tells them is a lie. Honestly, it has gone over the top. I still maintain that law enforcement must continue to move in on Washington officials at every opportunity. Maybe, if Hillary gets in there, sad prospect, it will touch off a national reform movement against lying politicians. If Cruz gets in, best hope, we could have the same result, Cruz being, first and foremost, an anti communist  law man.

In the meanwhile, I am far from content to soak up revisionist history from anyone who has the slightest hint of being in the business of discouraging Americans and spreading disparaging comments about our great nation.
Forget it.

People still believe we didn't go to the Moon?  There is zero doubt we went.

Quote from: taxed on June 02, 2015, 09:58:19 AM
People still believe we didn't go to the Moon?  There is zero doubt we went.

Some people are predisposed to disbelief of anything American.  We can thank the left wing faculties for that, captivating young minds and bodies with cynicism.  Incidentally, we have to be careful not to err on the side of caution. Anyone who gives patriot radio a listen will concur -- a little bit goes a long way.

I can't find it, but I believe there is a studio shot that Sam released that caused a lot of this. Look, everyone knows that MacArthur came ashore twice, Once for real, and one for the cameras. If he were to do that today, he would be accused by the left of fakery. It is ridiculous; but then, so are the peaceniks, comfortable in their living rooms.

Quote from: red_dirt on June 02, 2015, 10:14:16 AM
Some people are predisposed to disbelief of anything American.  We can thank the left wing faculties for that, captivating young minds and bodies with cynicism.  Incidentally, we have to be careful not to err on the side of caution. Anyone who gives patriot radio a listen will concur -- a little bit goes a long way.

I can't find it, but I believe there is a studio shot that Sam released that caused a lot of this. Look, everyone knows that MacArthur came ashore twice, Once for real, and one for the cameras. If he were to do that today, he would be accused by the left of fakery. It is ridiculous; but then, so are the peaceniks, comfortable in their living rooms.

Not to mention satellite evidence.


Besides, we know quite well if there was evidence to the contrary, the Russians would have exposed it long ago.
http://www.space.com/12796-photos-apollo-moon-landing-sites-lro.html

Quote from: red_dirt on June 02, 2015, 10:14:16 AM

I can't find it, but I believe there is a studio shot that Sam released that caused a lot of this.

I was inside an old Hughes aircraft hangar where they filmed part of a science fiction movie.  I want to say a Star Wars movie, but can't remember for sure. 

I once escaped a war between Turkey and Greece over the Turkish invasion of Cyprus.  An international group chartered a bus in Istanbul and traveled through Bulgaria and on to what was then Belgrade, Yugoslavia.  It was an interesting experience and I saw that, at that time, farmers in Yugoslavia were plowing their fields with horses or some kind of Ox. We were also accosted by Gypsies demanding cigarettes. I was amazed that they were so backward.  I doubt that those were the good old days.

When one looks at former British colonies, it is undeniable that most were better off under British rule. Since independence and the division of India, that worked out well, didn't it?  Hell holes.  Ditto former British colonies in Africa.  The Middle East?  Oh yeah.  Peace and prosperity. 

History is written according to one's point of view.

Quote from: Charliemyboy on June 02, 2015, 11:38:42 AM
I once escaped a war between Turkey and Greece over the Turkish invasion of Cyprus.

I was in Greece during that time and got caught up in a huge demonstration against Henry Kissinger with regard to the Greek/Cypriot dispute. 

Before I knew it there were flood lights turned on and TV cameras rolling.  There were all kinds of posters being held up by the demonstrators all around me.  Then the doors of a government office opened and a lot of politicians came out to the crowd.  I was totally surrounded by the mob.... unexpectedly!!   

Quote from: red_dirt on June 02, 2015, 04:55:39 AM
I think the true nature of Milo is gradually being drawn out into the open, as the layers peel away. At first,  thought this was going to be a contributor with special knowledge and insight into Balkan affairs, someone with something worthwhile to teach. Granted, I go in with skepticism about Central Europeans due to the fact that they just happened to come along and take active positions in the American labor movement at the same time international communism was making its successful move, 1914.  That having been said and set aside, I think I may have had expectations of Milo unlikely to be met.

I suspect what we are seeing here in another disgruntled intellectual, who, if you stick with him and follow his reasoning long enough, leads right down the road to bitterness and opposition to the established western European culture that not only led Europe out of the Dark Ages and into Enlightenment, but also created America and everything she has come to mean.

Once young minds buy into that boogieman notion, there is no turning back.  The influences will proceed to have a field day with them.  What immediately comes to mind is the example just seen on a recent post, here. The young black man proclaiming to the Freedom Watch reporter, "We don't hate you. Y'all are the Devil."

Why do you think I don't know the Balkan affairs? Maybe I am not well informed about America, but I surely know the Balkans. I don't see myself as an intellectual, lol, and I am not one. But I surely want to learn things, and have inquiring mind. That is why I am here. So, please don't be offended if I misunderstand America or the Western culture. But you have to bear in mind that modern Serbia has been developing towards capitalism and European culture since the uprising against the Turks in 1804. We had a man named Dositej Obradović, who first went to a monastery and became a monk, but then he got disappointed into the Church, he left the monastery to travel across Europe and learn. He was a member of the Enlightenment movement, he was an advisor to Serbian leader Karađorđe, and the first Serbian minister of education in 1811. And then we had communism imposed to us in 1944, by that same Western civilization we believed in. So I must assume there is something wrong with the modern Western civilization.

I want to notice historic patterns, and to draw parallels. And if I learn British Empire had intentionally starved Irish to death, and Bolsheviks had intentionally starved Russians to death, and the British ambassador to Russia supported the Bolsheviks, I have to notice a pattern, and to draw a parallel, not caring if ones were capitalists and the others were communists. Or another example, how could British government accuse Hitler of being a monster for wanting to conquer the world and for creating concentration camps, when, at the same time, British were conquering the world for centuries, and have invented and held concentration camps already. Hitler and Stalin have just improved British inventions. I am trying to use the common sense.

Quote from: milos on May 25, 2015, 05:20:47 AM
Hi! I see many trolls on this forum lately, who spill commie propaganda, and each one of them has "I love Conservative Political Forum!" as a personal text, like it is some code for them to recognize each other. I mean, I am not here that often, and I am not from the USA, but they annoy me so much, and what annoys me the most is I see the same commies here on Serbian forums, too, with the same commie propaganda, like they are spreading from one world commie center. I see the forum administration being tolerant towards them, and even answering on their topics. They have done so much damage here in Serbia, even poisoned nationalistic movements, so much that all political forces here are more or less commie now. I was a victim of their commie propaganda for a very long time, believing they were actually patriots. They are those who blame capitalism and USA for everything evil in the world and in our country, even though they have no clue what capitalism is, and what USA is, or at least what it's meant to be. I had a luck to encounter with Ron Paul's texts and videos on internet, and he opened my eyes on true America. (Although we may disagree on that. ) He made me start thinking and researching, and I begun recognizing stupid commie propaganda had poisoned me, too. And what amazes me the most, when I promote capitalism and personal freedom here in my country, everyone on the left and on the right, commies, national-socialists, Christian nationalists, all of them who are every day enemies to each other, will join together to attack me and support each other against me. One call me "a filthy capitalist who wants to get rich on poor people and let them die", others call me "a liberal who wants to destroy their national identity". While I myself am trying to promote traditional, national, Christian values. It is just that I stand for personal freedom which marks me as their enemy. It is so strange, because one could think most people would like personal freedom. But no, most people like totalitarism, they like someone else thinks instead of them, and makes decisions in their lives instead of them. I believe the 21st century will be marked as a century of war for personal freedom. Yet, most people will choose totalitarism, as they are being frightened of personal freedom by stupid commie propaganda.

In the old days of propaganda, they had the "Fifth Column" of subversives turning out for demonstrations and whipping up as much dissention as the could and speading their vile filth in the media of the time: newspapers and other publications...The modern era of internet and 24 hour cable "news" has given rise to a whole network of "Fifth Columnists" spreading the same old party line throughout their echo chamber. 

The old COMINTERN (Communist Party International) went to hole a long time ago.  They never really went away; they just stopped being so obviously connected to one another, since subterfuge is far more productive means to achieve their desired  political ends!

Long ago, it was reported that Obama has a team of young leftist bloggers operating right out of the Whitehouse! 

Quote from: milos on June 05, 2015, 12:54:11 AM
Or another example, how could British government accuse Hitler of being a monster for wanting to conquer the world and for creating concentration camps, when, at the same time, British were conquering the world for centuries, and have invented and held concentration camps already. Hitler and Stalin have just improved British inventions. I am trying to use the common sense.

Are you quite sure you are not thinking of the Ottomans? The British, the Norwegians, the Italians, Germans, Spanish, and French, they were the ones with the ocean going fleets and international communications. What came to be known as the British Empire actually started out as small plantations in far flung tropical islands in the Caribbean and South Pacific.  European influence spread with technology that the world welcomed. I doubt the world has ever seen such improvements in the human condition than over the time period when European culture and language spread out all over the world.

Coincident with those modern developments was the sweeping acceptance of the Protestant Reformation -- God as the authority, not the institutions of man. Freedom. You must have heard. Jesus as the saving grace, not some infant.

Some hold that the root and source of all problems today is the Counter Reformation, or, the unceasing quest to restore global authority to its sixth century root.

http://www.ianpaisley.org/article.asp?artkey=jesuits (http://www.ianpaisley.org/article.asp?artkey=jesuits)