Years ago I read Francis Fukuyama's 'The Origins of Political Order: From Pre-human Times to the French Revolution'. Recently I picked it up again and re-read the first chapter. While I'm not sure I'll read it again - too much to read already. I found the analysis of political evolution and political types well done. We often use labels rather than analysis which locks us into debating words rather than reality. Check it out in link below. Add suggestions too.
https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Origins_of_Political_Order/CvN0ihQi--wC
Components of political order: a basic list
State building
Rule of law
Accountable government
Principle of Succession
"Government, despite its many sins, remains the only institution that can make our freedom real." Gregory Downs
You really don't understand our Constitution, do you?
Quote from: Solar on July 30, 2022, 07:48:01 AMYou really don't understand our Constitution, do you?
Don't know, I guess it is easier for some to believe all governments are the same because we are all the same, therefor our constitution is no better than the caveman setting up a socialist system where the head monkey doles out the spoils. Thank God there are enough of us to see the brilliance our founding fathers had.
Think about it for a bit, our constitution came about late in recorded history. The men who wrote it learned from that history and especially England's rule. But it too needed work as slavery, war, and whatnot required addendums. A few interesting reads below.
Gordon S. Wood's book, 'The Creation of the American Republic, 1776-1787'
And Tony Judt's 'Ill Fares the Land'
"If there is any principle of the Constitution that more imperatively calls for attachment than any other it is the principle of free thought, not free thought for those who agree with us but freedom for the thought that we hate." Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr.
Quote from: midcan5 on August 02, 2022, 04:31:48 AMThink about it for a bit, our constitution came about late in recorded history. The men who wrote it learned from that history and especially England's rule. But it too needed work as slavery, war, and whatnot required addendums. A few interesting reads below.
Gordon S. Wood's book, 'The Creation of the American Republic, 1776-1787'
And Tony Judt's 'Ill Fares the Land'
"If there is any principle of the Constitution that more imperatively calls for attachment than any other it is the principle of free thought, not free thought for those who agree with us but freedom for the thought that we hate." Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr.
Nope!
The Constitution never needed amending, not once!
All amendments were political, and lazy politicians refused to follow the law, so they amended it
Take slavery for example, it's Right in the Constitution, "ALL Men Are Created Equal!", but the GOP wanted to make a point about freeing the slaves from the Dims, so they wrote an Amendment, a totally worthless amendment.
But they put it down for historians to make note, that it was the DNC who were against a free people.
Especially Black People!
Lefties always state that the Constitution is outdated. So, then they shouldn't expect the freedoms from it.
No 1st Amendment, no 2nd Amendment, no freedoms at all!
Just started this book and it is fascinating as it deals with the rise of authoritarianism in the world. Democracy is too hard for some.
"Twilight of Democracy tries to deconstruct the psychology and motivation of such people. For some it is the chance to be noticed; for others, it is revenge for slights. Applebaum moves on to Laura Ingraham, another former acquaintance, who has become host of a certain type of US political chat show. "She has, like so many others in the Fox universe, depicted illegal immigrants as thieves and murderers, despite overwhelming evidence that immigrants commit fewer crimes overall than native-born Americans."
'Twilight of Democracy' by Anne Applebaum
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2020/jul/09/twilight-of-democracy-by-anne-applebaum-review-when-politics-ends-friendships
Quote from: midcan5 on August 04, 2022, 05:57:46 AMJust started this book and it is fascinating as it deals with the rise of authoritarianism in the world. Democracy is too hard for some.
"Twilight of Democracy tries to deconstruct the psychology and motivation of such people. For some it is the chance to be noticed; for others, it is revenge for slights. Applebaum moves on to Laura Ingraham, another former acquaintance, who has become host of a certain type of US political chat show. "She has, like so many others in the Fox universe, depicted illegal immigrants as thieves and murderers, despite overwhelming evidence that immigrants commit fewer crimes overall than native-born Americans."
'Twilight of Democracy' by Anne Applebaum
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2020/jul/09/twilight-of-democracy-by-anne-applebaum-review-when-politics-ends-friendships
FUX Snooze, are you serious?
Quote from: midcan5 on August 04, 2022, 05:57:46 AMJust started this book and it is fascinating as it deals with the rise of authoritarianism in the world. Democracy is too hard for some.
"Twilight of Democracy tries to deconstruct the psychology and motivation of such people. For some it is the chance to be noticed; for others, it is revenge for slights. Applebaum moves on to Laura Ingraham, another former acquaintance, who has become host of a certain type of US political chat show. "She has, like so many others in the Fox universe, depicted illegal immigrants as thieves and murderers, despite overwhelming evidence that immigrants commit fewer crimes overall than native-born Americans."
'Twilight of Democracy' by Anne Applebaum
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2020/jul/09/twilight-of-democracy-by-anne-applebaum-review-when-politics-ends-friendships
What is your point?
I don't care about how many crimes they commit compared to citizens. If they were not here illegally they would not be committing any crimes here.
Quote from: supsalemgr on August 04, 2022, 07:47:18 AMWhat is your point?
I don't care about how many crimes they commit compared to citizens. If they were not here illegally they would not be committing any crimes here.
Yep.
I have no doubt that some of the people coming here are the salt of the earth. But open borders is a completely different story.
One other point is there is no definition of crime. Is it petty theft, or drug trafficking, child rape/slavery or gun running?
Most of which crosses the border or none would exist.
Shall we drag the commies from both party's into why the border remains open?
For him to claim a majority of crime is by American citizens. Lets see the evidence, I'm sure I can shred the shit out of it!
Quote from: supsalemgr on August 04, 2022, 07:47:18 AMWhat is your point?
I don't care about how many crimes they commit compared to citizens. If they were not here illegally they would not be committing any crimes here.
And, let's not forget that left-wing organizations and their people wouldn't discuss the truth about illegal aliens and their true impact on society. So, let's stop mentioning Fox News because they are not covering it up like the CNN, MSNBC, and their associated Marxist.
Quote from: midcan5 on August 04, 2022, 05:57:46 AMJust started this book and it is fascinating as it deals with the rise of authoritarianism in the world. Democracy is too hard for some.
"Twilight of Democracy tries to deconstruct the psychology and motivation of such people. For some it is the chance to be noticed; for others, it is revenge for slights. Applebaum moves on to Laura Ingraham, another former acquaintance, who has become host of a certain type of US political chat show. "She has, like so many others in the Fox universe, depicted illegal immigrants as thieves and murderers, despite overwhelming evidence that immigrants commit fewer crimes overall than native-born Americans."
'Twilight of Democracy' by Anne Applebaum
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2020/jul/09/twilight-of-democracy-by-anne-applebaum-review-when-politics-ends-friendships
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Hello all, nah doing well, hotter than hell here, hope you all are doing well too. But we are all children of immigrants. My mom's side fled Germany last century and dad's parents Ireland. Immigrants built this nation. And legal or not some people are criminal. I don't have a fix for human nature.
But back on topic. Came across this author reading 'Twilight of Democracy' by Anne Applebaum, see above. Authoritarians appeal to the weak who see evil around every corner. MAGA was just a cry for a past that never existed, if you looked at it closely you'd wonder at its appeal. It is nostalgia for an imaginary nirvana. Author below covers that topic: Nostalgia for an imaginary past.
"Democracy is in decline. Over half of the world's population now lives under some form of authoritarian rule. Wherever democracy deteriorates, so does support for transparency and accountability. Disinformation about current events thrives, as do versions of history that cover up authoritarian crimes."
https://lucid.substack.com/p/welcome-to-lucid
'Strongmen Mussolini to the Present' 'What modern authoritarian leaders have in common (and how they can be stopped).'
https://wwnorton.com/books/9781324001546
Quote from: midcan5 on August 08, 2022, 01:05:51 PMHello all, nah doing well, hotter than hell here, hope you all are doing well too. But we are all children of immigrants. My mom's side fled Germany last century and dad's parents Ireland. Immigrants built this nation. And legal or not some people are criminal. I don't have a fix for human nature.
But back on topic. Came across this author reading 'Twilight of Democracy' by Anne Applebaum, see above. Authoritarians appeal to the weak who see evil around every corner. MAGA was just a cry for a past that never existed, if you looked at it closely you'd wonder at its appeal. It is nostalgia for an imaginary nirvana. Author below covers that topic: Nostalgia for an imaginary past.
"Democracy is in decline. Over half of the world's population now lives under some form of authoritarian rule. Wherever democracy deteriorates, so does support for transparency and accountability. Disinformation about current events thrives, as do versions of history that cover up authoritarian crimes."
https://lucid.substack.com/p/welcome-to-lucid
'Strongmen Mussolini to the Present' 'What modern authoritarian leaders have in common (and how they can be stopped).'
https://wwnorton.com/books/9781324001546
What was the purpose of posting something about failed Democracy? We all know they fail, that's why our Founders chose a Republic!
Tell me Can, what do you suppose would happen to the world if the US was to collapse to the Liberal NWO?
Come on, honest answer...
Quote from: Solar on August 09, 2022, 08:03:23 AMWhat was the purpose of posting something about failed Democracy? We all know they fail, that's why our Founders chose a Republic!
Tell me Can, what do you suppose would happen to the world if the US was to collapse to the Liberal NWO?
Come on, honest answer...
The book is a fascinating read and I recommend it as it covers extreme right and left in other nations. It outlines the historic changes we all see, read it and challenge yourself.
As far as the NWO I am a total and complete skeptic when it comes to any conspiracy or conspiratorial thinking. I consider myself a realist. Change is right in front of us and if we take the time we can see the whys and wherefores. Again it is a topic I've investigated through the years. One is linked below.
'Republic of Lies: American Conspiracy Theorists and Their Surprising Rise to Power' by Anna Merlan
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/40046060-republic-of-lies
"Three can keep a secret, if two of them are dead." Benjamin Franklin
Quote from: midcan5 on August 10, 2022, 05:35:03 AMThe book is a fascinating read and I recommend it as it covers extreme right and left in other nations. It outlines the historic changes we all see, read it and challenge yourself.
As far as the NWO I am a total and complete skeptic when it comes to any conspiracy or conspiratorial thinking. I consider myself a realist. Change is right in front of us and if we take the time we can see the whys and wherefores. Again it is a topic I've investigated through the years. One is linked below.
'Republic of Lies: American Conspiracy Theorists and Their Surprising Rise to Power' by Anna Merlan
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/40046060-republic-of-lies
"Three can keep a secret, if two of them are dead." Benjamin Franklin
It's not conspiracy in the least.
Schwab and others of his ilk have stated in as much what they've been planning for decades/
Why have you refused to hear what they said?
They control the money, they've leveraged corporations to do as they demand or they won't be allowed to purchase raw materials.
How can you not know this? The entire world knows this is happening, yet you have somehow magically missed the biggest story in human history?
The AGW BS was a primer, "Green Energy" is a lie as they used it to kill our production, and you didn't see this?
OK, it's settled, you are either the Dumbest Fuck on the planet, or a paid troll.
Which is it?
Solar, I am not a conspiracy thinker but many are, my thinking is much so called conspiracy is right out in the open.
There is no specific evidence that the election was stolen. Arizona is an example after a serious recount. I'll reply to your D'Souza movie link after I check it out.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/09/28/fact-check-arizona-audit-affirms-biden-win-doesnt-prove-voter-fraud/5846640001/
Quote from: midcan5 on August 11, 2022, 01:23:25 PMSolar, I am not a conspiracy thinker but many are, my thinking is much so called conspiracy is right out in the open.
There is no specific evidence that the election was stolen. Arizona is an example after a serious recount. I'll reply to your D'Souza movie link after I check it out.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/09/28/fact-check-arizona-audit-affirms-biden-win-doesnt-prove-voter-fraud/5846640001/
You have to watch it in its entirety, or it won't make sense.
I addressed my thoughts on 2000 mules in thread on election. Back on books.
I am constantly giving books away and going through old reads, I recently picked up Corey Robin's 'The Reactionary Mind' and skimmed it, especially his conclusions. It made me think about today, it is roughly ten years old. While I consider myself a conservative liberal or visa versa, Robin's book made me ponder the times we live in that are so divisive.
'Who's correct about human nature, the left or the right?' This article is more than 11 years old' Ed Rooksby
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2010/nov/20/human-nature-politics-left-right
Human nature a complex topic.
Why do you always read leftist trash, in hopes of affirming your delusional beliefs that communism hasn't yet been applied properly?
Quote from: Solar on August 12, 2022, 03:29:51 PMWhy do you always read leftist trash, in hopes of affirming your delusional beliefs that communism hasn't yet been applied properly?
Because reading anything else would make him stop and think about his beliefs. And that, is against the leftist rules.
Quote from: Possum on August 12, 2022, 03:40:57 PMBecause reading anything else would make him stop and think about his beliefs. And that, is against the leftist rules.
How can one hate Freedom and liberty so much that they refuse to understand that is the US were to fall, all the corrupt communist elite will institute a Liberal NWO?
This would be a return to the church's Dark Ages.
Happy Saturday guys, I read a lot but I've lived a lot too. Those of us who served during Nam realize the complexity of media whether public or government, those times and the words of leaders should give anyone pause. Is today really that different. I don't consider the The Guardian liberal or conservative, I feel it is an source of info which allows us to judge. The trouble I have today with labels like con v lib is they place us in corners.
Quote from: midcan5 on August 13, 2022, 04:19:32 PMHappy Saturday guys, I read a lot but I've lived a lot too. Those of us who served during Nam realize the complexity of media whether public or government, those times and the words of leaders should give anyone pause. Is today really that different. I don't consider the The Guardian liberal or conservative, I feel it is an source of info which allows us to judge. The trouble I have today with labels like con v lib is they place us in corners.
Wrong! It literally come down Marxist vs Conservatives! If you're a leftist, you either openly or passively support the NWO. Conservatives are against govt expansion of any kind.
Think CCP Flu Hoax and 86,000 new IRS agents
Another book on our changing times. See last link.
"Democracy is in decline. Over half of the world's population now lives under some form of authoritarian rule. Wherever democracy deteriorates, so does support for transparency and accountability. Disinformation about current events thrives, as do versions of history that cover up authoritarian crimes."
https://lucid.substack.com/p/welcome-to-lucid
'Strongmen Mussolini to the Present' 'What modern authoritarian leaders have in common (and how they can be stopped).'
https://wwnorton.com/books/9781324001546
Ruth Ben-Ghiat: 'Any society can be susceptible to strongman figures if it's the right time.'
https://stockholmcf.org/ruth-ben-ghiat-any-society-can-be-susceptible-to-strongman-figures-if-its-the-right-time/
Now you know why we're a Republic and not a democracy. :biggrin:
Next up for me: 'Cultural Backlash: Trump, Brexit, and Authoritarian Populism' Pippa Norris
Culture often manages voting decisions, the changing image of America often creates a sense of loss rather than a positive of diversity.
For those who want to understand Trump's appeal check out this book.
'The Cult of Trump: A Leading Cult Expert Explains How the President Uses Mind Control' Steven Hassan
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/43261495-the-cult-of-trump
"A reader lives a thousand lives before he dies. The man who never reads lives only one." George R.R. Martin
Quote from: midcan5 on September 09, 2022, 04:52:48 AMNext up for me: 'Cultural Backlash: Trump, Brexit, and Authoritarian Populism' Pippa Norris
Culture often manages voting decisions, the changing image of America often creates a sense of loss rather than a positive of diversity.
For those who want to understand Trump's appeal check out this book.
'The Cult of Trump: A Leading Cult Expert Explains How the President Uses Mind Control' Steven Hassan
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/43261495-the-cult-of-trump
"A reader lives a thousand lives before he dies. The man who never reads lives only one." George R.R. Martin
You are a fascinating study all on your own. You are unable to recognize reality due to your own Dissociative disorder, that refuses you the ability to see things as they really are.
Trump is not a cult leader, Trump came into a movement that had started decades before his entry into politics.
TEA was the lit match that congealed a movement of a nation that had already started moving Right.
Trump came in and proved his worth to the Patriot who was already loosely organized. He galvanized a movement set on throwing out a corrupt Govt that had been taken over by leftists with a goal of bringing down the American way of life.
Trump is the catalyst that gave forward momentum to a movement already formed.
Proof that Trump doesn't control the people, is his failed endorsement of Oz, the base wants nothing to do with an Establishment hack like Oz.
He's running against a full blown Marxist who just suffered a brain debilitating stroke, so bad that he comes off as bad as Biden in his speeches.
But check out the polling, people refuse to back Oz, we'd rather let the likes of a freak Fetterman in congress than another traitor to the cause.
I usually don't give much credence to polling, but regardless, this is telling.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2022/senate/pa/pennsylvania_senate_oz_vs_fetterman-7695.html
So no, what you claim is simple projection, trump does not control the movement, he is just our voice.
Quote"Government, despite its many sins, remains the only institution that can make our freedom real." Gregory Downs
Actually the government has never made our freedoms real. It has always been We The People who have done that.
Quote from: midcan5 on August 10, 2022, 05:35:03 AMThe book is a fascinating read and I recommend it as it covers extreme right and left in other nations. It outlines the historic changes we all see, read it and challenge yourself.
As far as the NWO I am a total and complete skeptic when it comes to any conspiracy or conspiratorial thinking. I consider myself a realist. Change is right in front of us and if we take the time we can see the whys and wherefores. Again it is a topic I've investigated through the years. One is linked below.
'Republic of Lies: American Conspiracy Theorists and Their Surprising Rise to Power' by Anna Merlan
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/40046060-republic-of-lies
"Three can keep a secret, if two of them are dead." Benjamin Franklin
Oh no, its an admitted fact. They are quite open about it, admitting they are after a NWO. Just look, they admit it on camera for us all to see.
Conspiracy theorists will deny the existence of the NWO. Rational people accept the facts.
https://nypost.com/2022/07/01/biden-adviser-liberal-world-order-demands-enduring-high-gas-prices/ (https://nypost.com/2022/07/01/biden-adviser-liberal-world-order-demands-enduring-high-gas-prices/)
Quote from: midcan5 on August 11, 2022, 01:23:25 PMSolar, I am not a conspiracy thinker but many are, my thinking is much so called conspiracy is right out in the open.
There is no specific evidence that the election was stolen. Arizona is an example after a serious recount. I'll reply to your D'Souza movie link after I check it out.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/09/28/fact-check-arizona-audit-affirms-biden-win-doesnt-prove-voter-fraud/5846640001/
Again, why is it you can only use radical left wing sources like USA today?
https://thefederalist.com/2020/12/03/usa-todays-fact-checks-are-actually-corrupt-partisan-spin/ (https://thefederalist.com/2020/12/03/usa-todays-fact-checks-are-actually-corrupt-partisan-spin/)
In reality, the AZ audits found more ILLEGAL ballots for biden. You can look at the results yourself instead of having a source tell you about them...
https://thefederalist.com/2021/09/27/arizona-2020-vote-audit-finds-potentially-election-shifting-numbers-of-illegal-ballots/ (https://thefederalist.com/2021/09/27/arizona-2020-vote-audit-finds-potentially-election-shifting-numbers-of-illegal-ballots/)
https://teaparty.org/decertify-now-arizona-audit-finds-trump-won-state-by-large-margin-470012/ (https://teaparty.org/decertify-now-arizona-audit-finds-trump-won-state-by-large-margin-470012/)
Sorry to destroy your argument so badly, but you have to do better on a site like this. :ttoung:
Quote from: Solar on September 09, 2022, 05:21:08 AMYou are a fascinating study all on your own. You are unable to recognize reality due to your own Dissociative disorder, that refuses you the ability to see things as they really are.
Trump is not a cult leader, Trump came into a movement that had started decades before his entry into politics.
TEA was the lit match that congealed a movement of a nation that had already started moving Right.
Trump came in and proved his worth to the Patriot who was already loosely organized. He galvanized a movement set on throwing out a corrupt Govt that had been taken over by leftists with a goal of bringing down the American way of life.
Trump is the catalyst that gave forward momentum to a movement already formed.
Proof that Trump doesn't control the people, is his failed endorsement of Oz, the base wants nothing to do with an Establishment hack like Oz.
He's running against a full blown Marxist who just suffered a brain debilitating stroke, so bad that he comes off as bad as Biden in his speeches.
But check out the polling, people refuse to back Oz, we'd rather let the likes of a freak Fetterman in congress than another traitor to the cause.
I usually don't give much credence to polling, but regardless, this is telling.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2022/senate/pa/pennsylvania_senate_oz_vs_fetterman-7695.html
So no, what you claim is simple projection, trump does not control the movement, he is just our voice.
I love how the more he posts the more he exposes the left. He is doing the opposite of what his handlers want him to be doing :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
My handlers? LOL She's watching TV at the moment, loves the home remolding shows and the married at first site stuff. They strike me as loony people looking for love or at least financial security. Having rebuilt our last home, the home fixups can be interesting but been there done that.
Trump was here in PA endorsing Oz. Did you guys miss that. Fetterman is fascinating, kinda out there but tough and I think a better pick than Oz.
My latest book just arrived. 'Cultural Backlash: Trump, Brexit, and Authoritarian Populism' by Pippa Norris.
btw Steven Hassan book on Trump and cults is well done, read it as he covers lots more than Trump, he was a Moonie cult member. A handler would have a hard time with me as you guys do, I am not a joiner nor a follower, maybe it is being first born who knows. My DI recognized that as he gave me a extra week in basic. lol
"A reader lives a thousand lives before he dies. The man who never reads lives only one." George R.R. Martin
Quote from: midcan5 on September 10, 2022, 03:16:22 PMMy handlers? LOL She's watching TV at the moment, loves the home remolding shows and the married at first site stuff. They strike me as loony people looking for love or at least financial security. Having rebuilt our last home, the home fixups can be interesting but been there done that.
Trump was here in PA endorsing Oz. Did you guys miss that. Fetterman is fascinating, kinda out there but tough and I think a better pick than Oz.
My latest book just arrived. 'Cultural Backlash: Trump, Brexit, and Authoritarian Populism' by Pippa Norris.
btw Steven Hassan book on Trump and cults is well done, read it as he covers lots more than Trump, he was a Moonie cult member. A handler would have a hard time with me as you guys do, I am not a joiner nor a follower, maybe it is being first born who knows. My DI recognized that as he gave me a extra week in basic. lol
"A reader lives a thousand lives before he dies. The man who never reads lives only one." George R.R. Martin
Oh my, you conveniently missed my post on that. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Solar on September 09, 2022, 05:21:08 AMYou are a fascinating study all on your own. You are unable to recognize reality due to your own Dissociative disorder, that refuses you the ability to see things as they really are.
Trump is not a cult leader, Trump came into a movement that had started decades before his entry into politics.
TEA was the lit match that congealed a movement of a nation that had already started moving Right.
Trump came in and proved his worth to the Patriot who was already loosely organized. He galvanized a movement set on throwing out a corrupt Govt that had been taken over by leftists with a goal of bringing down the American way of life.
Trump is the catalyst that gave forward momentum to a movement already formed.
Proof that Trump doesn't control the people, is his failed endorsement of Oz, the base wants nothing to do with an Establishment hack like Oz.
He's running against a full blown Marxist who just suffered a brain debilitating stroke, so bad that he comes off as bad as Biden in his speeches.
But check out the polling, people refuse to back Oz, we'd rather let the likes of a freak Fetterman in congress than another traitor to the cause.
I usually don't give much credence to polling, but regardless, this is telling.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2022/senate/pa/pennsylvania_senate_oz_vs_fetterman-7695.html
So no, what you claim is simple projection, trump does not control the movement, he is just our voice.
Midcan has not replied to a single person in this thread.
Quote from: taxed on September 10, 2022, 05:52:07 PMMidcan has not replied to a single person in this thread.
Talk about feelings and stop hitting him with facts. He is not interested in facts, solutions, or causes. He is into what someone who has written a book "feels". He loves "opinions" that go against the grain, is it because he is an ex
sausage hippie? Don't know, but that's where I would put my money.
Quote from: taxed on September 10, 2022, 05:52:07 PMMidcan has not replied to a single person in this thread.
He can't debate. Even if he could, he is WRONG on everything, all libs are!
And yeah, we can debate that as well. :biggrin:
Quote from: taxed on September 10, 2022, 05:52:07 PMMidcan has not replied to a single person in this thread.
Maybe he needs pictures?? :coff
Here's a video site he might appreciate.
https://www.theepochtimes.com/c-constitution-alive
Quote from: taxed on September 10, 2022, 05:52:07 PMMidcan has not replied to a single person in this thread.
If my earlier post doesn't help perhaps this will?
Quote from: Rob Natelson, Epoch TimesHow to Understand the Constitution
Rob Natelson
June 23, 2022
Many people characterize the U.S. Constitution as vague or filled with broad generalities. Others identify it as the source of our basic rights.
It's neither of those things.
Key to understanding the Constitution is to know that it's a very well-drafted, fairly precise document granting fiduciary powers, and that it follows 18th-century customs for such documents. It was designed to put into practice the broad principles of the Declaration of Independence to the extent politically feasible.
Grants of Powers
Much of the Constitution is made up of lists of powers granted by the people to persons and groups. Other components are analogous to terms you might find in complex 18th-century documents creating fiduciary relationships—statutes conferring authority, instruments creating trusts or agency relationships, and charters erecting corporations.
The first thing most people notice when they pick up the Constitution is its majestic preamble. It explains why "We the People" do "ordain and establish this Constitution." Preambles were common in 18th-century legal instruments. Preambles did not have the force of law. They were for background information only. Preambles remain common in legal documents today. We often call them "whereas clauses."
Any power-granting document must explain who is receiving authority and the conditions under which they may exercise it. Hence, the Constitution outlines the structure of the new federal government: Congress, the president, and the courts.
https://www.theepochtimes.com/how-to-understand-the-constitution_4500151.html?utm_source=ai&utm_medium=search
Quote from: midcan5 on September 10, 2022, 03:16:22 PMMy handlers? LOL She's watching TV at the moment, loves the home remolding shows and the married at first site stuff. They strike me as loony people looking for love or at least financial security. Having rebuilt our last home, the home fixups can be interesting but been there done that.
Trump was here in PA endorsing Oz. Did you guys miss that. Fetterman is fascinating, kinda out there but tough and I think a better pick than Oz.
My latest book just arrived. 'Cultural Backlash: Trump, Brexit, and Authoritarian Populism' by Pippa Norris.
btw Steven Hassan book on Trump and cults is well done, read it as he covers lots more than Trump, he was a Moonie cult member. A handler would have a hard time with me as you guys do, I am not a joiner nor a follower, maybe it is being first born who knows. My DI recognized that as he gave me a extra week in basic. lol
"A reader lives a thousand lives before he dies. The man who never reads lives only one." George R.R. Martin
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: as if you arent one of the lefts digital antifa trolls
Tell me, do they just keep you out of prison, or do they actually get you more drugs or young boys to keep you in line?
Quote from: Solar on September 10, 2022, 07:52:06 PMHe can't debate. Even if he could, he is WRONG on everything, all libs are!
And yeah, we can debate that as well. :biggrin:
He's allergic to the Constitution.
Quote from: taxed on September 12, 2022, 02:44:29 AMHe's allergic to the Constitution.
How sad.
Maybe he should move to a different continent? :stomp
Quote from: taxed on September 12, 2022, 02:44:29 AMHe's allergic to the Constitution.
They claim to support it while they push to have it scrapped.
LOL You guys are tough. I read everything in threads I start, but some comments are too far out there even for this so called leftist. Trolls fascinate me as I did a thread on Russian trolls during the election. I forget if it was Facebook or Twitter who listed them. There were lots. But I had fun with my imaginary Russian troll.
http://midcan5.blogspot.com/2019/05/russian-troll-talks.html
Many of the sites you all mention are not reliable in my humble opinion. I often wonder if some are part of RT?
Back to thread topic, check out PDFs online.
'Cultural Backlash: Trump, Brexit and Authoritarian-Populism'
Chapter 1 'Understanding populism'
https://www.dropbox.com/s/hl7bg2up2baygmq/Chapter%201%20sgl.pdf
Quote from: midcan5 on September 14, 2022, 05:31:00 AM... I read everything in threads I start, ...
Please feel free to read through some of this: https://www.theepochtimes.com/c-constitutional-rights
Quote from: midcan5 on September 14, 2022, 05:31:00 AMLOL You guys are tough. I read everything in threads I start, but some comments are too far out there even for this so called leftist. Trolls fascinate me as I did a thread on Russian trolls during the election. I forget if it was Facebook or Twitter who listed them. There were lots. But I had fun with my imaginary Russian troll.
http://midcan5.blogspot.com/2019/05/russian-troll-talks.html
Many of the sites you all mention are not reliable in my humble opinion. I often wonder if some are part of RT?
Back to thread topic, check out PDFs online.
'Cultural Backlash: Trump, Brexit and Authoritarian-Populism'
Chapter 1 'Understanding populism'
https://www.dropbox.com/s/hl7bg2up2baygmq/Chapter%201%20sgl.pdf
RT isn't what you think it is. I actually had the majority of my posts scrubbed from their site for being pro Putin.
Quote from: midcan5 on September 14, 2022, 05:31:00 AMLOL You guys are tough. I read everything in threads I start, but some comments are too far out there even for this so called leftist. Trolls fascinate me as I did a thread on Russian trolls during the election. I forget if it was Facebook or Twitter who listed them. There were lots. But I had fun with my imaginary Russian troll.
http://midcan5.blogspot.com/2019/05/russian-troll-talks.html
Many of the sites you all mention are not reliable in my humble opinion. I often wonder if some are part of RT?
Back to thread topic, check out PDFs online.
'Cultural Backlash: Trump, Brexit and Authoritarian-Populism'
Chapter 1 'Understanding populism'
https://www.dropbox.com/s/hl7bg2up2baygmq/Chapter%201%20sgl.pdf
See, ad hominems are all you have as a means to deflect. Apparently you think any facts going against your narrative are too out there to respond too :lol: :lol: :lol:
I reviewed the pieces, many are simply opinion pieces, you know what the Sergeant said about opinions.
Check piece below on misinformation from your source as a counter argument.
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-epoch-times/
"The inability or unwillingness of citizens to differentiate between fake and authentic news is undermining a fundamental assumption of democracy: the informed voter." Richard Edelman
RT Solar, Reply concerning RT. I consider it unreliable and mostly propaganda.
https://www.thefactual.com/blog/is-rt-a-reliable-news-source/
Quote from: midcan5 on September 15, 2022, 06:41:15 AMI reviewed the pieces, many are simply opinion pieces, you know what the Sergeant said about opinions.
You Rube, all news is based in opinion!!! ALLLLL!
QuoteCheck piece below on misinformation from your source as a counter argument.
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-epoch-times/
"The inability or unwillingness of citizens to differentiate between fake and authentic news is undermining a fundamental assumption of democracy: the informed voter." Richard Edelman
So Soros tells you and you believe it? Why in the fuck would you take the word of a Communist Hell bent on our destruction, over that of an American who runs the risk of losing everything??
We need to start removing his links. If he won't discuss, his links don't get posted.
Quote from: taxed on September 15, 2022, 06:52:29 AMWe need to start removing his links. If he won't discuss, his links don't get posted.
Agree! I'm serious about this being part bot. He posts link to books no one gives a shit about, as if he's really read them all because no one has that much free time in their lives to read all those he posted links to.
The other is his bland responses, the very thing I'd expect from a computer reply, and merge that with some troll sitting at a pooter collecting a check for posts it makes, and you have the perfect marriage.
Quote from: midcan5 on September 15, 2022, 06:41:15 AMI reviewed the pieces, many are simply opinion pieces, you know what the Sergeant said about opinions.
But so far everything you have posted we have counter posted proof of their left wing bias. Everything youve posted so far has been opinions, just like below. This is why the left cant convince people to vote for them.
QuoteCheck piece below on misinformation from your source as a counter argument.
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-epoch-times/
"The inability or unwillingness of citizens to differentiate between fake and authentic news is undermining a fundamental assumption of democracy: the informed voter." Richard Edelman
RT Solar, Reply concerning RT. I consider it unreliable and mostly propaganda.
https://www.thefactual.com/blog/is-rt-a-reliable-news-source/
Most Americans consider the news to be unreliable and mostly propaganda, yet you keep using it....
Quote from: Solar on September 15, 2022, 06:59:14 AMAgree! I'm serious about this being part bot. He posts link to books no one gives a shit about, as if he's really read them all because no one has that much free time in their lives to read all those he posted links to.
The other is his bland responses, the very thing I'd expect from a computer reply, and merge that with some troll sitting at a pooter collecting a check for posts it makes, and you have the perfect marriage.
Its almost like he just wants to push his ideas without having to back them up with facts or evidence.
Quote from: T Hunt on September 15, 2022, 09:05:05 AMIts almost like he just wants to push his ideas without having to back them up with facts or evidence.
Exactly the same M.O. as every other liberal/democrat/socalist/"self claimed independent" I know.
Quote from: T Hunt on September 15, 2022, 09:05:05 AMIts almost like he just wants to push his ideas without having to back them up with facts or evidence.
In other words, a liberal. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Shooting the messenger is as old as history. Sorry that my links and books challenge you, actually I'm not sorry as truth can be tough and either you face it or you deny it, that does not change it. I need examples to challenge, the links etc are points in my argument.
Yes, some news is unreliable, Fox OAN and Newsmax are opinion rather than news. Watch them and critique them and what you find is they are anti-Biden and anti-lots more but not fair or balanced. Much of MSNBC and CNN is opinion too but more balanced and fair in my opinion.
Challenge me where I am wrong. I'm waiting.
OP I wrote last year.
http://midcan5.blogspot.com/2021/12/are-newsmax-oann-and-fox-media-threats.html
Quote from: midcan5 on September 16, 2022, 06:16:43 AMShooting the messenger is as old as history. Sorry that my links and books challenge you, actually I'm not sorry as truth can be tough and either you face it or you deny it, that does not change it. I need examples to challenge, the links etc are points in my argument.
Yes, some news is unreliable, Fox OAN and Newsmax are opinion rather than news. Watch them and critique them and what you find is they are anti-Biden and anti-lots more but not fair or balanced. Much of MSNBC and CNN is opinion too but more balanced and fair in my opinion.
Challenge me where I am wrong. I'm waiting.
OP I wrote last year.
http://midcan5.blogspot.com/2021/12/are-newsmax-oann-and-fox-media-threats.htm
If you hadn't noticed, most here don't quote FUX or Snoozemax, people here actually know what is going on in the world, andf OANN blows the shit out of the LSM and their lies!
OANN isn't afraid to tell the truth, you could learn a lot if you ignored the hyperbole and paid attention to just the facts they tout.
As to your claim about books? Not a one is topical as the lefts assault on our system of govt.
Try reading Orwell, he literally posted a map for our future, a future we're living in currently.
And no, you're nowhere near a messenger, you're even a lousy propagandist ay best!
https://www.wsj.com/articles/BL-WHB-1322
Quote from: midcan5 on September 16, 2022, 06:16:43 AMShooting the messenger is as old as history. Sorry that my links and books challenge you, actually I'm not sorry as truth can be tough and either you face it or you deny it, that does not change it. I need examples to challenge, the links etc are points in my argument.
Yes, some news is unreliable, Fox OAN and Newsmax are opinion rather than news. Watch them and critique them and what you find is they are anti-Biden and anti-lots more but not fair or balanced. Much of MSNBC and CNN is opinion too but more balanced and fair in my opinion.
Challenge me where I am wrong. I'm waiting.
OP I wrote last year.
http://midcan5.blogspot.com/2021/12/are-newsmax-oann-and-fox-media-threats.html
You challenge no one. Maybe some straw men in your mind. You are nothing more than the liberal talking points. Cnn and msnbc are balanced? To suggest that is to show you are delusional. You accuse fox is anti-Biden, so tell us, where are Biden's actions we should all be proud of??
Quote from: midcan5 on September 16, 2022, 06:16:43 AMShooting the messenger is as old as history. Sorry that my links and books challenge you, actually I'm not sorry as truth can be tough and either you face it or you deny it, that does not change it. I need examples to challenge, the links etc are points in my argument.
Yes, some news is unreliable, Fox OAN and Newsmax are opinion rather than news. Watch them and critique them and what you find is they are anti-Biden and anti-lots more but not fair or balanced. Much of MSNBC and CNN is opinion too but more balanced and fair in my opinion.
Challenge me where I am wrong. I'm waiting.
OP I wrote last year.
http://midcan5.blogspot.com/2021/12/are-newsmax-oann-and-fox-media-threats.html
Who are you responding too? Are you unable to use the quote function?
Quote from: Possum on September 16, 2022, 11:24:46 AMYou challenge no one. Maybe some straw men in your mind. You are nothing more than the liberal talking points. Cnn and msnbc are balanced? To suggest that is to show you are delusional. You accuse fox is anti-Biden, so tell us, where are Biden's actions we should all be proud of??
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Now his, "go to" AI, just got stumped. Don't expect an answer, but I think we need to press this question, indefinitely. :lol: :lol: :lol:
Quote from: Solar on September 16, 2022, 12:42:19 PM:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Now his, "go to" AI, just got stumped. Don't expect an answer, but I think we need to press this question, indefinitely. :lol: :lol: :lol:
:lol: I guess MSNBC and CNN proved how "balanced" they were by covering the russian hoax lie non stop. :lol: :lol: Got to be a bot, no person can claim what he does.
Quote from: Possum on September 16, 2022, 01:07:46 PM:lol: I guess MSNBC and CNN proved how "balanced" they were by covering the russian hoax lie non stop. :lol: :lol: Got to be a bot, no person can claim what he does.
I swear, he's a class study in "liberal Sheepdom". How can anyone look at leftist news, and still claim they're somehow balanced?
His excuse that Right media is solely opinion based is freakin hilarious, when placed against the lying leftist media.
In the 60s media simply omitted truths, but now, they outright lie with impunity. yet we're biased? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Quote from: Solar on September 16, 2022, 01:22:39 PMI swear, he's a class study in "liberal Sheepdom". How can anyone look at leftist news, and still claim they're somehow balanced?
His excuse that Right media is solely opinion based is freakin hilarious, when placed against the lying leftist media.
In the 60s media simply omitted truths, but now, they outright lie with impunity. yet we're biased? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
:thumbup: Let's see, Russian hoax, covered. Fake story about Trump's taxes, covered. Fake story about Trump trying to interfere with Ukraine, covered. Biden's handling of the border,,,,,,,crickets, hunter's laptop,,,,,,,,, crickets, Biden's disaster of foreign policy,,,,,,,,,,crickets
Even Midcan should be able to see the trend here.
Quote from: Possum on September 16, 2022, 03:09:06 PM:thumbup: Let's see, Russian hoax, covered. Fake story about Trump's taxes, covered. Fake story about Trump trying to interfere with Ukraine, covered. Biden's handling of the border,,,,,,,crickets, hunter's laptop,,,,,,,,, crickets, Biden's disaster of foreign policy,,,,,,,,,,crickets
Even Midcan should be able to see the trend here.
Well there you have it, it's All Trump's Fault... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Fuckin amazing, and libs still can't seem to make the connection that the left is fuckin EVIL! :glare:
We are getting off topic here. This was about books and reading. All topics have been covered, but you'll need to read and stop relying on crickets. After this post I will stick to reading, create a thread if you feel some issue hasn't been answered.
Pres Biden inherited the border issues, Trump never got Mexico to pay for the wall nor did he have a reliable solution. He had four years and accomplished nada - the issue is complex as dictators in South America are creating unlivable countries. It is the same as our immigrant grandparents who came from Europe etc to find a better life. If the Republican alt-right destroys America's republic will Canada be next. lol
Hunter Biden is a private citizen if he did wrong that is on him but nothing specific so far except constant mentions from you guys. I don't recall mention of Trump and associates regarding Ukraine being mentioned, nor do I hear of Russia and Saudi support for Trump and family. Next you'll mention Soros, another favorite bogeyman of the alt-right. Soros Has accomplished lots. Seems you guys only see in one direction. Glasses maybe?
Below are reliable sources and links concerning the topics mentioned, read them and learn. Or do as Trump does so well, hide behind excuses, walls, and lawyers.
'Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections'
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_interference_in_the_2016_United_States_elections
Russian Interference In 2016 U.S. Elections
https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/cyber/russian-interference-in-2016-u-s-elections
You think Trump didn't know? "The former chief financial officer of Donald Trump's family business will receive a five-month sentence after he pleaded guilty to tax fraud charges stemming from a case involving the company's business dealings."
https://www.nbcnews.com/business/taxes/tax-evasion-fraud-explainer-alan-weisselberg-trump-organization-rcna43804
'Trump Organization Is Charged With Running 15-Year Employee Tax Scheme'
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/01/nyregion/allen-weisselberg-charged-trump-organization.html
'Trump–Ukraine scandal'
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump%E2%80%93Ukraine_scandal
"A request by U.S. President Donald Trump to Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy to investigate Joe Biden and his son sparked the scandal."
'More Than Just Russia — There'S A Strong Case For The Trump Team Colluding With Saudi Arabia, Israel, And The Uae'
https://theintercept.com/2018/06/10/more-than-just-russia-theres-a-strong-case-for-the-trump-team-colluding-with-saudi-arabia-israel-and-the-uae/
George Soros
https://www.opensocietyfoundations.org/george-soros
PS I give Trump credit he learned well from his dad in terms of criminal behavior, always remain in the background. Others in his administration took the fall and he pardoned several. He'd love to be president again as he'd do the same.
https://www.wnycstudios.org/podcasts/takeaway/segments/trump-father-funneled-millions-tax-evasion-fraud
Quote from: midcan5 on September 17, 2022, 05:14:57 AMWe are getting off topic here. This was about books and reading. All topics have been covered, but you'll need to read and stop relying on crickets. After this post I will stick to reading, create a thread if you feel some issue hasn't been answered.
Pres Biden inherited the border issues, Trump never got Mexico to pay for the wall nor did he have a reliable solution. He had four years and accomplished nada - the issue is complex as dictators in South America are creating unlivable countries. It is the same as our immigrant grandparents who came from Europe etc to find a better life. If the Republican alt-right destroys America's republic will Canada be next. lol
Hunter Biden is a private citizen if he did wrong that is on him but nothing specific so far except constant mentions from you guys. I don't recall mention of Trump and associates regarding Ukraine being mentioned, nor do I hear of Russia and Saudi support for Trump and family. Next you'll mention Soros, another favorite bogeyman of the alt-right. Soros Has accomplished lots. Seems you guys only see in one direction. Glasses maybe?
Below are reliable sources and links concerning the topics mentioned, read them and learn. Or do as Trump does so well, hide behind excuses, walls, and lawyers.
'Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections'
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_interference_in_the_2016_United_States_elections
Russian Interference In 2016 U.S. Elections
https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/cyber/russian-interference-in-2016-u-s-elections
You think Trump didn't know? "The former chief financial officer of Donald Trump's family business will receive a five-month sentence after he pleaded guilty to tax fraud charges stemming from a case involving the company's business dealings."
https://www.nbcnews.com/business/taxes/tax-evasion-fraud-explainer-alan-weisselberg-trump-organization-rcna43804
'Trump Organization Is Charged With Running 15-Year Employee Tax Scheme'
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/01/nyregion/allen-weisselberg-charged-trump-organization.html
'Trump–Ukraine scandal'
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump%E2%80%93Ukraine_scandal
"A request by U.S. President Donald Trump to Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy to investigate Joe Biden and his son sparked the scandal."
'More Than Just Russia — There'S A Strong Case For The Trump Team Colluding With Saudi Arabia, Israel, And The Uae'
https://theintercept.com/2018/06/10/more-than-just-russia-theres-a-strong-case-for-the-trump-team-colluding-with-saudi-arabia-israel-and-the-uae/
George Soros
https://www.opensocietyfoundations.org/george-soros
PS I give Trump credit he learned well from his dad in terms of criminal behavior, always remain in the background. Others in his administration took the fall and he pardoned several. He'd love to be president again as he'd do the same.
https://www.wnycstudios.org/podcasts/takeaway/segments/trump-father-funneled-millions-tax-evasion-fraud
Sorry, what you are calling reliable sources are nothing more than a platform to get the liberal view out there. NONE of them reported on the Hunter laptop story before the election or since, and that was about as easy to get the facts on as anything out there. ALL of them reported the Russian hoax nightly for YEARS, even after it soon became apparent it was all fake. Biden threatened Ukraine with cutting off $ if they did not call off the investigation into his son, they did not report that, all of them did report the fake story that Trump was trying to influence them when we all heard the phone call telling otherwise. Sorry, your sources are as fake as the stories they push.
Quote from: midcan5 on September 17, 2022, 05:14:57 AMWe are getting off topic here. This was about books and reading. All topics have been covered, but you'll need to read and stop relying on crickets. After this post I will stick to reading, create a thread if you feel some issue hasn't been answered.
Pres Biden inherited the border issues, Trump never got Mexico to pay for the wall nor did he have a reliable solution. He had four years and accomplished nada - the issue is complex as dictators in South America are creating unlivable countries. It is the same as our immigrant grandparents who came from Europe etc to find a better life. If the Republican alt-right destroys America's republic will Canada be next. lol
Hunter Biden is a private citizen if he did wrong that is on him but nothing specific so far except constant mentions from you guys. I don't recall mention of Trump and associates regarding Ukraine being mentioned, nor do I hear of Russia and Saudi support for Trump and family. Next you'll mention Soros, another favorite bogeyman of the alt-right. Soros Has accomplished lots. Seems you guys only see in one direction. Glasses maybe?
Below are reliable sources and links concerning the topics mentioned, read them and learn. Or do as Trump does so well, hide behind excuses, walls, and lawyers.
'Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections'
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_interference_in_the_2016_United_States_elections
Russian Interference In 2016 U.S. Elections
https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/cyber/russian-interference-in-2016-u-s-elections
You think Trump didn't know? "The former chief financial officer of Donald Trump's family business will receive a five-month sentence after he pleaded guilty to tax fraud charges stemming from a case involving the company's business dealings."
https://www.nbcnews.com/business/taxes/tax-evasion-fraud-explainer-alan-weisselberg-trump-organization-rcna43804
'Trump Organization Is Charged With Running 15-Year Employee Tax Scheme'
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/01/nyregion/allen-weisselberg-charged-trump-organization.html
'Trump–Ukraine scandal'
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump%E2%80%93Ukraine_scandal
"A request by U.S. President Donald Trump to Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy to investigate Joe Biden and his son sparked the scandal."
'More Than Just Russia — There'S A Strong Case For The Trump Team Colluding With Saudi Arabia, Israel, And The Uae'
https://theintercept.com/2018/06/10/more-than-just-russia-theres-a-strong-case-for-the-trump-team-colluding-with-saudi-arabia-israel-and-the-uae/
George Soros
https://www.opensocietyfoundations.org/george-soros
PS I give Trump credit he learned well from his dad in terms of criminal behavior, always remain in the background. Others in his administration took the fall and he pardoned several. He'd love to be president again as he'd do the same.
https://www.wnycstudios.org/podcasts/takeaway/segments/trump-father-funneled-millions-tax-evasion-fraud
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Quote from: Possum on September 17, 2022, 05:26:38 AMSorry, what you are calling reliable sources are nothing more than a platform to get the liberal view out there. NONE of them reported on the Hunter laptop story before the election or since, and that was about as easy to get the facts on as anything out there. ALL of them reported the Russian hoax nightly for YEARS, even after it soon became apparent it was all fake. Biden threatened Ukraine with cutting off $ if they did not call off the investigation into his son, they did not report that, all of them did report the fake story that Trump was trying to influence them when we all heard the phone call telling otherwise. Sorry, your sources are as fake as the stories they push.
Well this explains why he parrots fake news so much :lol: thats all he ever looks at
On Topic:
For the interested reader a subject many find fascinating but complicated. How do we know. Hochschild covers the pollution and destruction in Louisiana and the various reactions of the people who live there. The other books cover purposeful ignorance. Check them out.
'Strangers in Their Own Land' Arlie Russell Hochschild - excellent and well done
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/28695425-strangers-in-their-own-land
"Merchants of Doubt: How a Handful of Scientists Obscured the Truth on Issues from Tobacco Smoke to Global Warming" by Naomi Oreskes, Erik M. M. Conway
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/18949756-summary-of-merchants-of-doubt
"Agnotology: The Making and Unmaking of Ignorance' by Robert Proctor (Editor) , Londa Schiebinger (Editor)
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/2748888-agnotology
"New knowledge is the most valuable commodity on earth. The more truth we have to work with, the richer we become." Kurt Vonnegut
Quote from: midcan5 on September 17, 2022, 04:10:25 PMOn Topic:
For the interested reader a subject many find fascinating but complicated. How do we know. Hochschild covers the pollution and destruction in Louisiana and the various reactions of the people who live there. The other books cover purposeful ignorance. Check them out.
'Strangers in Their Own Land' Arlie Russell Hochschild - excellent and well done
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/28695425-strangers-in-their-own-land
"Merchants of Doubt: How a Handful of Scientists Obscured the Truth on Issues from Tobacco Smoke to Global Warming" by Naomi Oreskes, Erik M. M. Conway
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/18949756-summary-of-merchants-of-doubt
"Agnotology: The Making and Unmaking of Ignorance' by Robert Proctor (Editor) , Londa Schiebinger (Editor)
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/2748888-agnotology
"New knowledge is the most valuable commodity on earth. The more truth we have to work with, the richer we become." Kurt Vonnegut
To whom are you replying? No one knows if you dont use the quote function correctly...
Quote from: T Hunt on September 17, 2022, 08:31:07 PMTo whom are you replying? No one knows if you dont use the quote function correctly...
I think he gets a kick back for selling books no one wants to read.
This is why I suspect bot/human. The AI reads what he's posting, reads our replies and suggests leftist authors the world ignores.
Smart people know history, Marxists attempt rewrites.
"One must be careful of books, and what is inside them, for words have the power to change us." Cassandra Clare
I was thinking about histories that can challenge your mind on topics you think you understand. A few below, pick one, read it and let us know what you think.
'Injustices: The Supreme Court's History of Comforting the Comfortable and Afflicting the Afflicted' Ian Millhiser
'White Trash: The 400-Year Untold History of Class in America' by Nancy Rosenberg
'Dog Whistle Politics: How Coded Racial Appeals Have Reinvented Racism and Wrecked the Middle Class' by Ian Haney Lopez
https://history.wisc.edu/publications/white-trash-the-400-year-untold-history-of-class-in-america/
'White Trash will change the way we think about our past and present.'
T. J. Stiles, Pulitzer Prize-winning author of Custer's Trials
Quote from: midcan5 on September 19, 2022, 05:48:43 AM"One must be careful of books, and what is inside them, for words have the power to change us." Cassandra Clare
I was thinking about histories that can challenge your mind on topics you think you understand. A few below, pick one, read it and let us know what you think.
'Injustices: The Supreme Court's History of Comforting the Comfortable and Afflicting the Afflicted' Ian Millhiser
'White Trash: The 400-Year Untold History of Class in America' by Nancy Rosenberg
'Dog Whistle Politics: How Coded Racial Appeals Have Reinvented Racism and Wrecked the Middle Class' by Ian Haney Lopez
https://history.wisc.edu/publications/white-trash-the-400-year-untold-history-of-class-in-america/
'White Trash will change the way we think about our past and present.'
T. J. Stiles, Pulitzer Prize-winning author of Custer's Trial
Then there are the gullible who purposely ignore history entirely, going to great lengths to bring about the evils of Fascism and Communism.
Solar...
One other thing? STOP Quadruple Spacing Between Your Bull Shit, You Fuck It up For those Replying!!!
Your points aren't so important that they deserve to standout.
Quote from: midcan5 on September 19, 2022, 05:48:43 AM"One must be careful of books, and what is inside them, for words have the power to change us." Cassandra Clare
I was thinking about histories that can challenge your mind on topics you think you understand. A few below, pick one, read it and let us know what you think.
'Injustices: The Supreme Court's History of Comforting the Comfortable and Afflicting the Afflicted' Ian Millhiser
'White Trash: The 400-Year Untold History of Class in America' by Nancy Rosenberg
'Dog Whistle Politics: How Coded Racial Appeals Have Reinvented Racism and Wrecked the Middle Class' by Ian Haney Lopez
https://history.wisc.edu/publications/white-trash-the-400-year-untold-history-of-class-in-america/
'White Trash will change the way we think about our past and present.'
T. J. Stiles, Pulitzer Prize-winning author of Custer's Trials
Again, nobody knows who you are talking too or to what you are replying.
Is the quote function beyond your thinking capacity or something? Why are you so incompetent that you cant figure it out? If you cant figure out a simple quote function then that speaks poorly of your opinion on other things like politics....
Quote from: T Hunt on September 20, 2022, 11:45:41 AMAgain, nobody knows who you are talking too or to what you are replying.
Is the quote function beyond your thinking capacity or something? Why are you so incompetent that you cant figure it out? If you cant figure out a simple quote function then that speaks poorly of your opinion on other things like politics....
Yup, I wasn't here a day and got called on the carpet for not quoting. Middi must be a ton of fun to avoid the threat I got for not using the quote function. :bigl :bigl :bigl
This thread is informational, if someone has a question, ask. Knowledge comes in many forms: life, friends, school, argument, debate, but most of all by reading historians, social critics, and various news commentators.
"In order to properly understand the big picture, everyone should fear becoming mentally clouded and obsessed with one small section of truth." Xunzi
You used the words "knowledge" and "school" in the same sentence? Since lefties infiltrated colleges on down to grade schools, people are coming out dumber. So, your "friends" are dumb as well.
It depends on the "news" and "commentators"/"social critics" you are talking about. Some have facts, some are are telling lies. News isn't any better. That's why some things are being over-reported, some things are under reported, and certain things are not reported. Remember Charlottesville? Couldn't stop hearing about it. Remember blacks committing any kind of repeated local crime? (knockout game, racist attacks on Asians)? Silence.
You mention "historians". Everything is being erased. Statues taken down. Street signs taken down. Editing the Constitution.
"Argument" and "debate"? Lefties just argue and insult and create a scene. Debate is good. TV debate gets you no-where. It's one segment of two parties arguing, insulting with a biased host.
If you want to debate, start by continuing one of your discussions on this forum. Flinging something and never responding to others posts ain't gonna cut it.
Quote from: Snuffy on September 20, 2022, 02:20:24 PMYup, I wasn't here a day and got called on the carpet for not quoting. Middi must be a ton of fun to avoid the threat I got for not using the quote function. :bigl :bigl :bigl
Consider it a compliment that you got called out. It means you can learn and adapt, a distinctly conservative ability.
Midcain is like a special child. Hes not capable of learning to use quote. I just like pointing that out :biggrin:
Quote from: midcan5 on September 22, 2022, 09:12:43 AMThis thread is informational, if someone has a question, ask. Knowledge comes in many forms: life, friends, school, argument, debate, but most of all by reading historians, social critics, and various news commentators.
"In order to properly understand the big picture, everyone should fear becoming mentally clouded and obsessed with one small section of truth." Xunzi
Still, no quote function.... :bigl
Quote from: midcan5 on September 22, 2022, 09:12:43 AMThis thread is informational, if someone has a question, ask. Knowledge comes in many forms: life, friends, school, argument, debate, but most of all by reading historians, social critics, and various news commentators.
"In order to properly understand the big picture, everyone should fear becoming mentally clouded and obsessed with one small section of truth." Xunzi
#73 was a reply to you, so acknowledge you at least read it!
I'll Repeat: "Stop quadruple spacing"!!!
Quote from: Solar on September 19, 2022, 06:00:46 AMThen there are the gullible who purposely ignore history entirely, going to great lengths to bring about the evils of Fascism and Communism.
Solar...
One other thing? STOP Quadruple Spacing Between Your Bull Shit, You Fuck It up For those Replying!!!
Sorry about the spacing.
Your points aren't so important that they deserve to standout.
Not sure what I posted above that you censored? Solar, you have to recognize the fact I think for myself and of course use sources, history, and critical writing. I am not a follower, never was, never will be. If I give an excellent book or books suggestions, censoring deprives other readers online here the opportunity to learn. As I noted I have been online since before the internet grew to what it is today, even helped build and implement it at a major corporation. I have to add more books to my blog. Google me, I'm sure I popup everywhere. Knowledge is a hard thing to stop in America, we aren't China or Russia or North Korean yet. Have a nice day.
https://thepoliticalforums.com/threads/108118-Information-Sources
http://thepoliticalforums.com/threads/68441-Reader-Beware
https://www.usmessageboard.com/threads/reading-that-opens-the-mind-books.85148/
https://www.justplainpolitics.com/showthread.php?108172-Reading-that-challenges
Quote from: midcan5 on October 13, 2022, 04:27:50 PMNot sure what I posted above that you censored? Solar, you have to recognize the fact I think for myself and of course use sources, history, and critical writing. I am not a follower, never was, never will be. If I give an excellent book or books suggestions, censoring deprives other readers online here the opportunity to learn. As I noted I have been online since before the internet grew to what it is today, even helped build and implement it at a major corporation. I have to add more books to my blog. Google me, I'm sure I popup everywhere. Knowledge is a hard thing to stop in America, we aren't China or Russia or North Korean yet. Have a nice day.
https://thepoliticalforums.com/threads/108118-Information-Sources
http://thepoliticalforums.com/threads/68441-Reader-Beware
https://www.usmessageboard.com/threads/reading-that-opens-the-mind-books.85148/
https://www.justplainpolitics.com/showthread.php?108172-Reading-that-challenges
Wow, and yet you can not answer a small question:MIDCAN5
For a guy that claims to have no idea why people are saying you DO NOT DEBATE, here is the
forth fifth posting of a question I would like to know your opinion on.
Quote from: Possum on September 18, 2022, 07:49:59 PM
Come on Midcan5, where are your answers? Need more "statistics" to help you form an opinion?
https://www.worldtribune.com/list-of-those-dying-suddenly-and-unexpectedly-continues-to-grow/
https://www.theepochtimes.com/fibrous-clots-foreign-matter-in-blood-after-covid-jabs-is-there-a-way-to-detox_4738079.html?utm_source=partner&utm_campaign=TheLibertyDaily
Can you not remember the question?
"Here, "Have you ever thought that if the statistics, as you call them, also known as death and injuries, ARE pointing to and are associated with the vaccine, that maybe a stop should be put on the vaccines and more research should be done"??? Even for a guy that just likes to just post crap and run, this question should be easy for you to answer, I mean if you have a backbone. Yes, we know, nobody you know has suffered any effects from getting the vaccine, but people are dying and the only thing they have in common is the vaccine. So, should the jabs stop until more research is done on the vaccine???
Not a hard question, even for you.
If you can not debate on a debate forum, why are you here?
Quote from: midcan5 on October 13, 2022, 04:27:50 PMNot sure what I posted above that you censored? Solar, you have to recognize the fact I think for myself and of course use sources, history, and critical writing. I am not a follower, never was, never will be. If I give an excellent book or books suggestions, censoring deprives other readers online here the opportunity to learn. As I noted I have been online since before the internet grew to what it is today, even helped build and implement it at a major corporation. I have to add more books to my blog. Google me, I'm sure I popup everywhere. Knowledge is a hard thing to stop in America, we aren't China or Russia or North Korean yet. Have a nice day.
I didn't censor shit, I refuse to quote your bull shit!
All you ever post are marxist Opinion Pieces!
Why is it you never challenge yourself? You only post crap that affirms your commie beliefs, why is that?
And non one gives a fuck about your blogs, as represented by those commenting on your bullshit, one even got it right when he called you a commie fag.
When I asked you to stop hitting the enter key, I wasn't talking about spacing. I'll show you what you do, and it fucks up everyones reply!
This is where your quote winds up, but no one sees it until they hit post, then have to redo it because their reply was within your post!
Now do you fuckin Get It! Quit spacing out your posts, this is due to your bot fucking up when you post!
Clean up your posts, and quit posting opinion pieces they don't mean anything! And as I stated earlier, if you don't start actually debating instead of posting links, there's no reason to keep you, you bring Zero to the forum!
Quote from: Snuffy on September 20, 2022, 02:20:24 PMYup, I wasn't here a day and got called on the carpet for not quoting. Middi must be a ton of fun to avoid the threat I got for not using the quote function. :bigl :bigl :bigl
We all had some learning to do when we first arrived here. :blush:
But when they are clearly cultists sent by the left we dont want to let them say they got kicked off the site due to a breech of decorum.
We want them to get themselves kicked off because they inevitably start slinging around siliceous accusations without evidence or facts and refuse to retract their fake news claims, thus proving their cult status for all to see.
Midcain is nearing this point now, about ready for harvest, having ripened recently after having been planted here some time ago by his handlers.
But they almost all follow the same predictable pattern with some slight variations.
EVERY. SINGLE. TIME.
Quote from: midcan5 on October 13, 2022, 04:27:50 PMNot sure what I posted above that you censored? Solar, you have to recognize the fact I think for myself and of course use sources, history, and critical writing. I am not a follower, never was, never will be.
https://thepoliticalforums.com/threads/108118-Information-Sources
http://thepoliticalforums.com/threads/68441-Reader-Beware
https://www.usmessageboard.com/threads/reading-that-opens-the-mind-books.85148/
https://www.justplainpolitics.com/showthread.php?108172-Reading-that-challenges
You gave us a list of your trusted sources and exposed yourself already...
NYT
WSJ
WP
BBC
Economist
New Yorker
Wire Services: The Associated Press, Reuters, Bloomberg News
Foreign Affairs
The Atlantic
Politico
Everyone on that list pushed the debunked russiagate hoax and the covid hoax and the ukrainegate hoax and are paying millions in legal fees for lying about Sandmann, Smollett, and Rittenhouse.
Yes we know you trust only left wing sources and avoid right wing and centrist sources, thus confirming your bias and prejudice.
How can you seriously expect anyone to take you seriously anymore?
You guys are too funny. I started this thread as a source of information on books about history and politics worth reading and all I get are ad hominem replies. To be a serious thinker and person you need to challenge yourself and maybe, just maybe, you will question your earlier assumptions. See the piece below for instance.
https://www.americanprogressaction.org/article/russiagate-depth-collusion/
PS And criticizing the source is not a valid reply unless you can demonstrate clearly the error.
Quote from: midcan5 on October 14, 2022, 05:55:03 AMYou guys are too funny. I started this thread as a source of information on books about history and politics worth reading and all I get are ad hominem replies. To be a serious thinker and person you need to challenge yourself and maybe, just maybe, you will question your earlier assumptions. See the piece below for instance.
https://www.americanprogressaction.org/article/russiagate-depth-collusion/
PS And criticizing the source is not a valid reply unless you can demonstrate clearly the error.
Oh, like when you claimed our links were unsafe? Back at you troll!
Quote from: midcan5 on October 14, 2022, 05:55:03 AMYou guys are too funny. I started this thread as a source of information on books about history and politics worth reading and all I get are ad hominem replies. To be a serious thinker and person you need to challenge yourself and maybe, just maybe, you will question your earlier assumptions. See the piece below for instance.
PS And criticizing the source is not a valid reply unless you can demonstrate clearly the error.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
So
THIS is an ad hominem rely?
Quote"Everyone on that list pushed the debunked russiagate hoax and the covid hoax and the ukrainegate hoax and are paying millions in legal fees for lying about Sandmann, Smollett, and Rittenhouse.
Yes we know you trust only left wing sources and avoid right wing and centrist sources, thus confirming your bias and prejudice."
Sorry buddy, thats
logical reasoning with
historical examples of why YOUR SOURCES are ALL radical left. The exact OPPOSITE of an ad hominem attack.
So it is proven that you are lying by calling that an ad hominem. If you dont retract that then you are a proven liar as well. Thanks for exposing yourself. :lol: :lol: :lol:
Russia was in the news again today. Durham lost another case. Info above for the interested. Post 87.
Not sure if I posted a reference to this book before, but given today the inability of so many to accept among other things Biden's win, thought it relevant.
'Soft Facts' page 119 'This Is Not Propaganda'
"...Facts seem to have lost their power. There is nothing new about politicians lying, but what seems novel is their acting as if they don't care whether what they say is true or false.
When Vladimir Putin went on international television during his army's annexation of Crimea, and asserted, with a smirk, that there are no Russian soldiers in Crimea when everyone knew there were, and then just as casually later admitted that they had been there, and even publicly awarded medals to the soldiers whom he had earlier said hadn't been there, he wasn't so much lying in the sense of trying to replace one reality with another as saying that facts don't matter. Similarly, Donald J. Trump is famous for having no discernible notion of what is true and factual. Yet this has not in any way been a barrier to his success. According to the fact-checking agency Politifact, 76 percent of his checked statements in the 2016 presidential election were rated "mostly false" or downright untrue, compared to 27 percent for his rival. He still won.'
Why has this happened? Is technology to blame? The media? And what are the consequences in a world where the powerful are no longer afraid of facts? Does that mean one can commit crimes in full view of all? And then just shrug them off?"
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/41717504-this-is-not-propaganda
Quote from: midcan5 on October 19, 2022, 05:42:16 AMNot sure if I posted a reference to this book before, but given today the inability of so many to accept among other things Biden's win, thought it relevant.
'Soft Facts' page 119 'This Is Not Propaganda'
"...Facts seem to have lost their power. There is nothing new about politicians lying, but what seems novel is their acting as if they don't care whether what they say is true or false.
When Vladimir Putin went on international television during his army's annexation of Crimea, and asserted, with a smirk, that there are no Russian soldiers in Crimea when everyone knew there were, and then just as casually later admitted that they had been there, and even publicly awarded medals to the soldiers whom he had earlier said hadn't been there, he wasn't so much lying in the sense of trying to replace one reality with another as saying that facts don't matter. Similarly, Donald J. Trump is famous for having no discernible notion of what is true and factual. Yet this has not in any way been a barrier to his success. According to the fact-checking agency Politifact, 76 percent of his checked statements in the 2016 presidential election were rated "mostly false" or downright untrue, compared to 27 percent for his rival. He still won.'
Why has this happened? Is technology to blame? The media? And what are the consequences in a world where the powerful are no longer afraid of facts? Does that mean one can commit crimes in full view of all? And then just shrug them off?"
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/41717504-this-is-not-propaganda
Which political party pushed the Russian hoax for four years? Did politifact ever search for truth in that?
Wish you luck in your next job, too bad you did not learn anything here.