Years ago I read Francis Fukuyama's 'The Origins of Political Order: From Pre-human Times to the French Revolution'. Recently I picked it up again and re-read the first chapter. While I'm not sure I'll read it again - too much to read already.  I found the analysis of political evolution and political types well done. We often use labels rather than analysis which locks us into debating words rather than reality. Check it out in link below. Add suggestions too.

https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Origins_of_Political_Order/CvN0ihQi--wC

Components of political order:  a basic list

State building
Rule of law
Accountable government
Principle of Succession


"Government, despite its many sins, remains the only institution that can make our freedom real." Gregory Downs

You really don't understand our Constitution, do you?

Quote from: Solar on July 30, 2022, 07:48:01 AMYou really don't understand our Constitution, do you?

Don't know, I guess it is easier for some to believe all governments are the same because we are all the same, therefor our constitution is no better than the caveman setting up a socialist system where the head monkey doles out the spoils. Thank God there are enough of us to see the brilliance our founding fathers had. 

Think about it for a bit, our constitution came about late in recorded history. The men who wrote it learned from that history and especially England's rule. But it too needed work as slavery, war, and whatnot required addendums. A few interesting reads below.

Gordon S. Wood's book, 'The Creation of the American Republic, 1776-1787'

And Tony Judt's 'Ill Fares the Land'


"If there is any principle of the Constitution that more imperatively calls for attachment than any other it is the principle of free thought, not free thought for those who agree with us but freedom for the thought that we hate." Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr.

Quote from: midcan5 on August 02, 2022, 04:31:48 AMThink about it for a bit, our constitution came about late in recorded history. The men who wrote it learned from that history and especially England's rule. But it too needed work as slavery, war, and whatnot required addendums. A few interesting reads below.

Gordon S. Wood's book, 'The Creation of the American Republic, 1776-1787'

And Tony Judt's 'Ill Fares the Land'


"If there is any principle of the Constitution that more imperatively calls for attachment than any other it is the principle of free thought, not free thought for those who agree with us but freedom for the thought that we hate." Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr.

Nope!
The Constitution never needed amending, not once!
All amendments were political, and lazy politicians refused to follow the law, so they amended it
Take slavery for example, it's Right in the Constitution, "ALL Men Are Created Equal!", but the GOP wanted to make a point about freeing the slaves  from the Dims, so they wrote an Amendment, a totally worthless amendment.
But they put it down for historians to make note, that it was the DNC who were against a free people.
Especially Black People!

Lefties always state that the Constitution is outdated. So, then they shouldn't expect the freedoms from it.

No 1st Amendment, no 2nd Amendment, no freedoms at all!

Just started this book and it is fascinating as it deals with the rise of authoritarianism in the world. Democracy is too hard for some.

"Twilight of Democracy tries to deconstruct the psychology and motivation of such people. For some it is the chance to be noticed; for others, it is revenge for slights. Applebaum moves on to Laura Ingraham, another former acquaintance, who has become host of a certain type of US political chat show. "She has, like so many others in the Fox universe, depicted illegal immigrants as thieves and murderers, despite overwhelming evidence that immigrants commit fewer crimes overall than native-born Americans."

'Twilight of Democracy' by Anne Applebaum

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2020/jul/09/twilight-of-democracy-by-anne-applebaum-review-when-politics-ends-friendships

Quote from: midcan5 on August 04, 2022, 05:57:46 AMJust started this book and it is fascinating as it deals with the rise of authoritarianism in the world. Democracy is too hard for some.

"Twilight of Democracy tries to deconstruct the psychology and motivation of such people. For some it is the chance to be noticed; for others, it is revenge for slights. Applebaum moves on to Laura Ingraham, another former acquaintance, who has become host of a certain type of US political chat show. "She has, like so many others in the Fox universe, depicted illegal immigrants as thieves and murderers, despite overwhelming evidence that immigrants commit fewer crimes overall than native-born Americans."

'Twilight of Democracy' by Anne Applebaum

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2020/jul/09/twilight-of-democracy-by-anne-applebaum-review-when-politics-ends-friendships

FUX Snooze, are you serious?

Quote from: midcan5 on August 04, 2022, 05:57:46 AMJust started this book and it is fascinating as it deals with the rise of authoritarianism in the world. Democracy is too hard for some.

"Twilight of Democracy tries to deconstruct the psychology and motivation of such people. For some it is the chance to be noticed; for others, it is revenge for slights. Applebaum moves on to Laura Ingraham, another former acquaintance, who has become host of a certain type of US political chat show. "She has, like so many others in the Fox universe, depicted illegal immigrants as thieves and murderers, despite overwhelming evidence that immigrants commit fewer crimes overall than native-born Americans."

'Twilight of Democracy' by Anne Applebaum

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2020/jul/09/twilight-of-democracy-by-anne-applebaum-review-when-politics-ends-friendships

What is your point?

I don't care about how many crimes they commit compared to citizens. If they were not here illegally they would not be committing any crimes here.

Quote from: supsalemgr on August 04, 2022, 07:47:18 AMWhat is your point?

I don't care about how many crimes they commit compared to citizens. If they were not here illegally they would not be committing any crimes here.

Yep.
I have no doubt that some of the people coming here are the salt of the earth. But open borders is a completely different story.
One other point is there is no definition of crime. Is it petty theft, or drug trafficking, child rape/slavery or gun running?
Most of which crosses the border or none would exist.

Shall we drag the commies from both party's into why the border remains open?

For him to claim a majority of crime is by American citizens. Lets see the evidence, I'm sure I can shred the shit out of it!

Quote from: supsalemgr on August 04, 2022, 07:47:18 AMWhat is your point?

I don't care about how many crimes they commit compared to citizens. If they were not here illegally they would not be committing any crimes here.

And, let's not forget that left-wing organizations and their people wouldn't discuss the truth about illegal aliens and their true impact on society. So, let's stop mentioning Fox News because they are not covering it up like the CNN, MSNBC, and their associated Marxist.

Quote from: midcan5 on August 04, 2022, 05:57:46 AMJust started this book and it is fascinating as it deals with the rise of authoritarianism in the world. Democracy is too hard for some.

"Twilight of Democracy tries to deconstruct the psychology and motivation of such people. For some it is the chance to be noticed; for others, it is revenge for slights. Applebaum moves on to Laura Ingraham, another former acquaintance, who has become host of a certain type of US political chat show. "She has, like so many others in the Fox universe, depicted illegal immigrants as thieves and murderers, despite overwhelming evidence that immigrants commit fewer crimes overall than native-born Americans."

'Twilight of Democracy' by Anne Applebaum

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2020/jul/09/twilight-of-democracy-by-anne-applebaum-review-when-politics-ends-friendships

Hello all,  nah doing well, hotter than hell here, hope you all are doing well too. But we are all children of immigrants. My mom's side fled Germany last century and dad's parents Ireland. Immigrants built this nation. And legal or not some people are criminal. I don't have a fix for human nature.

But back on topic. Came across this author reading 'Twilight of Democracy' by Anne Applebaum, see above.  Authoritarians appeal to the weak who see evil around every corner.  MAGA was just a cry for a past that never existed, if you looked at it closely you'd wonder at its appeal. It is nostalgia for an imaginary nirvana. Author below covers that topic: Nostalgia for an imaginary past. 

"Democracy is in decline. Over half of the world's population now lives under some form of authoritarian rule. Wherever democracy deteriorates, so does support for transparency and accountability. Disinformation about current events thrives, as do versions of history that cover up authoritarian crimes."

https://lucid.substack.com/p/welcome-to-lucid

'Strongmen Mussolini to the Present' 'What modern authoritarian leaders have in common (and how they can be stopped).'

https://wwnorton.com/books/9781324001546

Quote from: midcan5 on August 08, 2022, 01:05:51 PMHello all,  nah doing well, hotter than hell here, hope you all are doing well too. But we are all children of immigrants. My mom's side fled Germany last century and dad's parents Ireland. Immigrants built this nation. And legal or not some people are criminal. I don't have a fix for human nature.

But back on topic. Came across this author reading 'Twilight of Democracy' by Anne Applebaum, see above.  Authoritarians appeal to the weak who see evil around every corner.  MAGA was just a cry for a past that never existed, if you looked at it closely you'd wonder at its appeal. It is nostalgia for an imaginary nirvana. Author below covers that topic: Nostalgia for an imaginary past. 

"Democracy is in decline. Over half of the world's population now lives under some form of authoritarian rule. Wherever democracy deteriorates, so does support for transparency and accountability. Disinformation about current events thrives, as do versions of history that cover up authoritarian crimes."

https://lucid.substack.com/p/welcome-to-lucid

'Strongmen Mussolini to the Present' 'What modern authoritarian leaders have in common (and how they can be stopped).'

https://wwnorton.com/books/9781324001546

What was the purpose of posting something about failed Democracy? We all know they fail, that's why our Founders chose a Republic!

Tell me Can, what do you suppose would happen to the world if the US was to collapse to the Liberal NWO?
Come on, honest answer...

Quote from: Solar on August 09, 2022, 08:03:23 AMWhat was the purpose of posting something about failed Democracy? We all know they fail, that's why our Founders chose a Republic!

Tell me Can, what do you suppose would happen to the world if the US was to collapse to the Liberal NWO?
Come on, honest answer...

The book is a fascinating read and I recommend it as it covers extreme right and left in other nations. It outlines the historic changes we all see, read it and challenge yourself.

As far as the NWO I am a total and complete skeptic when it comes to any conspiracy or conspiratorial thinking. I consider myself a realist. Change is right in front of us and if we take the time we can see the whys and wherefores. Again it is a topic I've investigated through the years. One is linked below.

'Republic of Lies: American Conspiracy Theorists and Their Surprising Rise to Power' by Anna Merlan

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/40046060-republic-of-lies


"Three can keep a secret, if two of them are dead." Benjamin Franklin