Quote from: T Hunt on July 01, 2020, 10:40:17 AM
There was no switch in the parties.
Quote from: joesixpack on July 02, 2020, 05:39:19 PM
Just look at the way southern conservatives switched from voting Democrat to voting Republican.
Quote from: Dirtbomb on July 02, 2020, 05:44:47 PM
Joe, I'm not interested in your opinion. When you get some facts that you can reference try again. I don't believe anything you just posted not for a minute
I say yes it did.
By party switch, we're referring to who the voters choose.
The South, went from choosing Democrats, to choosing Republicans after 1960.
(https://www.270towin.com/historical_maps/1952_large.png)
(https://www.270towin.com/historical_maps/1964_large.png)
https://www.270towin.com/historical-presidential-elections/
Quote from: joesixpack on July 02, 2020, 06:02:35 PM
I say yes it did.
By party switch, we're referring to who the voters choose.
The South, went from choosing Democrats, to choosing Republicans after 1960.
(https://www.270towin.com/historical_maps/1952_large.png)
(https://www.270towin.com/historical_maps/1964_large.png)
https://www.270towin.com/historical-presidential-elections/
And the north went from choosing republicans to choosing democrats. So I guess all the people changed their beliefs at the same time.................Or, did the parties change. What is your point? Did the country ever have a party that was hell bent on destroying this country like the democrats are now? Are you trying to imply that since the old south voted democrat that they were all conservatives? Are you trying to say all southerns were "for" slavery? What has been stated on this forum is that the conservatives have not ever been in favor of slavery, not the old democrats or the old republicans.
One other little fact your maps do not show, the dems in the south, while not that conservative, were not near as liberal as the dems in the north, and were far more likely to vote with the republicans than the democrats.
Quote from: Possum on July 03, 2020, 04:31:43 AM
And the north went from choosing republicans to choosing democrats. So I guess all the people changed their beliefs at the same time.................Or, did the parties change. What is your point? Did the country ever have a party that was hell bent on destroying this country like the democrats are now? Are you trying to imply that since the old south voted democrat that they were all conservatives? Are you trying to say all southerns were "for" slavery? What has been stated on this forum is that the conservatives have not ever been in favor of slavery, not the old democrats or the old republicans.
One other little fact your maps do not show, the dems in the south, while not that conservative, were not near as liberal as the dems in the north, and were far more likely to vote with the republicans than the democrats.
\Wait'll he forced to post the 2020 map. Reagan Landslide all over again. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Quote from: joesixpack on July 02, 2020, 06:02:35 PM
I say yes it did.
By party switch, we're referring to who the voters choose.
The South, went from choosing Democrats, to choosing Republicans after 1960.
(https://www.270towin.com/historical_maps/1952_large.png)
(https://www.270towin.com/historical_maps/1964_large.png)
https://www.270towin.com/historical-presidential-elections/
I am one of those. Do you know why this happened?
Quote from: supsalemgr on July 03, 2020, 05:02:40 AM
I am one of those. Do you know why this happened?
What's your take on it?
Quote from: joesixpack on July 03, 2020, 05:07:14 PM
What's your take on it?
It is quite simple. The democrat party veered severely left after JFK. The great majority of folks in the South lean conservative. Former Gov. Zeb Miller of GA summed it up. He said, "The democrat party left me." Nixon was astute enough to see this and took advantage of what the democrats did.
Quote from: supsalemgr on July 04, 2020, 04:53:13 AM
It is quite simple. The democrat party veered severely left after JFK. The great majority of folks in the South lean conservative. Former Gov. Zeb Miller of GA summed it up. He said, "The democrat party left me." Nixon was astute enough to see this and took advantage of what the democrats did.
Goldwater was the one that first implemented the Southern Strategy.
He was a principled man, but southern racists saw in him an ally. Because he believed in State's Rights, they voted for him thinking he'd allow them to continue to discriminate against Blacks in the south.
In 1968 those southern racists supported George Wallace. They basically voted for whoever they thought would give them the leeway to mistreat Blacks.
And let me say, No, not everyone in the South was racist, and I don't think Goldwater was either.
Quote from: joesixpack on July 04, 2020, 04:26:41 PM
Goldwater was the one that first implemented the Southern Strategy.
He was a principled man, but southern racists saw in him an ally. Because he believed in State's Rights, they voted for him thinking he'd allow them to continue to discriminate against Blacks in the south.
In 1968 those southern racists supported George Wallace. They basically voted for whoever they thought would give them the leeway to mistreat Blacks.
And let me say, No, not everyone in the South was racist, and I don't think Goldwater was either.
So, believing in our constitutional States rights is now raciest too?
Quote from: Possum on July 05, 2020, 03:43:30 AM
So, believing in our constitutional States rights is now raciest too?
Why would you ask such a thing?
Quote from: joesixpack on July 04, 2020, 04:26:41 PM
Goldwater was the one that first implemented the Southern Strategy.
He was a principled man, but southern racists saw in him an ally. Because he believed in State's Rights, they voted for him thinking he'd allow them to continue to discriminate against Blacks in the south.
In 1968 those southern racists supported George Wallace. They basically voted for whoever they thought would give them the leeway to mistreat Blacks.
And let me say, No, not everyone in the South was racist, and I don't think Goldwater was either.
Now, I'm going to post some actual truths for you and see if you can grasp the reality, that what the left claimed, was a lie and a rewrite of history.
https://www.facebook.com/prageru/videos/1048554852210535/
Quote from: Solar on July 05, 2020, 06:22:04 AM
Now, I'm going to post some actual truths for you and see if you can grasp the reality, that what the left claimed, was a lie and a rewrite of history.
https://www.facebook.com/prageru/videos/1048554852210535/
That video didn't disprove anything I've said.
Quote from: joesixpack on July 05, 2020, 06:29:38 AM
That video didn't disprove anything I've said.
Other than the fact there was no such critter as the Southern Strategy!
It was a myth created by the left, they needed an excuse as to why the South was slowly moving away from their racist past.
And don't lie, you didn't watch the video because you're afraid of being proven wrong.
The only racists out there has always been Dims, own it! Now, watch the damn video and quit living in the dark!
Quote from: Solar on July 05, 2020, 06:33:35 AM
Other than the fact there was no such critter as the Southern Strategy!
It was a myth created by the left, they needed an excuse as to why the South was slowly moving away from their racist past.
And don't lie, you didn't watch the video because you're afraid of being proven wrong.
The only racists out there has always been Dims, own it! Now, watch the damn video and quit living in the dark!
I've seen that video a number of times and it doesn't disprove or refute what I've been saying. Maybe
you can.
I wouldn't say that the South was moving away from its racist past when they switched from voting Democrat, because of the CRA, to voting for George Wallace.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6C-kBVggFrs
Quote from: joesixpack on July 05, 2020, 06:52:11 AM
I've seen that video a number of times and it doesn't disprove or refute what I've been saying. Maybe you can.
I wouldn't say that the South was moving away from its racist past when they switched from voting Democrat, because of the CRA, to voting for George Wallace.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6C-kBVggFrs
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
You're such a rube! Wallace was a Dim, you racist fool!!
Own it lib, the left has always been the party of racists and still is to this very day!!!
Quote from: Solar on July 05, 2020, 07:04:36 AM
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
You're such a rube! Wallace was a Dim, you racist fool!!
Own it lib, the left has always been the party of racists and still is to this very day!!!
Yes, and like supsalemgr, the Dems left him. The same way that Reagan felt left by the party, and Zeb Miller.
That's why he ran for President against the Dems and
won the South in the American Independent Party.
Quote from: joesixpack on July 05, 2020, 07:17:33 AM
Yes, and like supsalemgr, the Dems left him. The same way that Reagan felt left by the party, and Zeb Miller.
That's why he ran for President against the Dems and won the South in the American Independent Party.
Own it Joe, you thought Wallace was a Pub. :lol: :lol: :lol:
Quote from: Solar on July 05, 2020, 07:28:04 AM
Own it Joe, you thought Wallace was a Pub. :lol: :lol: :lol:
Nope. He ran against Nixon, and beat him in the South too. Like I said, they basically voted for whoever they thought would give them the leeway to mistreat Blacks.
Quote from: joesixpack on July 05, 2020, 07:35:38 AM
Nope. He ran against Nixon, and beat him in the South too. Like I said, they basically voted for whoever they thought would give them the leeway to mistreat Blacks.
What? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Quote from: joesixpack on July 05, 2020, 05:26:08 AM
Why would you ask such a thing?
Again, here is what YOU said
"southern racists saw in him an ally.
Because he believed in State's Rights, they voted for him thinking he'd allow them to
continue to discriminate against Blacks in the south."
In other words, there would be no discrimination if it were not for State's Rights.
Quote from: Possum on July 05, 2020, 04:26:33 PM
Again, here is what YOU said
"southern racists saw in him an ally. Because he believed in State's Rights, they voted for him thinking he'd allow them to continue to discriminate against Blacks in the south."
In other words, there would be no discrimination if it were not for State's Rights.
That doesn't mean that believing in States' Rights is racist.
It was used by racists as a reason to discriminate and mistreat Blacks.
You can be pro States Rights and Anti-Slavery.
Unfortunately, those that were southern racists used the mantra of States rights as an excuse to segregate, disenfranchise, and mistreat Blacks in the South.
Quote from: joesixpack on July 05, 2020, 07:35:38 AM
Nope. He ran against Nixon, and beat him in the South too. Like I said, they basically voted for whoever they thought would give them the leeway to mistreat Blacks.
OK, and who voted for him? DIMS!!! You know, the racists party?
Quote from: joesixpack on July 05, 2020, 04:33:55 PM
That doesn't mean that believing in States' Rights is racist.
It was used by racists as a reason to discriminate and mistreat Blacks.
You can be pro States Rights and Anti-Slavery.
Unfortunately, those that were southern racists used the mantra of States rights as an excuse to segregate, disenfranchise, and mistreat Blacks in the South.
You're the one who wrote it.
Quote from: Possum on July 05, 2020, 05:13:16 PM
You're the one who wrote it.
And you're the one who misunderstood it. I hope it's clear now. I don't mind explaining my points if they're misunderstood.
Quote from: Solar on July 05, 2020, 05:00:32 PM
OK, and who voted for him? DIMS!!! You know, the racists party?
And they've been voting Republican ever since (with 1 exception)...that's funny.
Quote from: joesixpack on July 05, 2020, 05:33:31 PM
And they've been voting Republican ever since (with 1 exception)...that's funny.
That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever!
On a side note, check out the video in Dirt's thread. I know you see Black people as inferior, but try and struggle through it.
http://conservativepoliticalforum.com/political-discussion-and-debate/why-is-the-left-so-scared/
Quote from: Solar on July 05, 2020, 05:37:20 PM
That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever!
On a side note, check out the video in Dirt's thread. I know you see Black people as inferior, but try and struggle through it.
http://conservativepoliticalforum.com/political-discussion-and-debate/why-is-the-left-so-scared/
Look at the election maps.
I speak to, hang out with, and debate with Black people in real life.
What's special about the one in the video? I can't even debate him cause I don't know the guy :laugh:
Quote from: joesixpack on July 02, 2020, 06:02:35 PM
I say yes it did.
By party switch, we're referring to who the voters choose.
The South, went from choosing Democrats, to choosing Republicans after 1960.
(https://www.270towin.com/historical_maps/1952_large.png)
(https://www.270towin.com/historical_maps/1964_large.png)
https://www.270towin.com/historical-presidential-elections/
That is not a party switch Joe. A party switch by definition is when a person quits the party they're in and joins a different party.
In the 2016 election there were many Democrats that voted for Donald Trump oh, there were also many Republicans that voted for Hillary Clinton. That is not a party switch. What you are referring to is voting across party lines. So try again to prove your party switch
Quote from: Dirtbomb on July 23, 2020, 07:02:22 AM
That is not a party switch Joe. A party switch by definition is when a person quits the party they're in and joins a different party.
In the 2016 election there were many Democrats that voted for Donald Trump oh, there were also many Republicans that voted for Hillary Clinton. That is not a party switch. What you are referring to is voting across party lines. So try again to prove your party switch
By party switch, we're referring to who the voters choose.
Quote from: joesixpack on July 23, 2020, 09:42:28 AM
By party switch, we're referring to who the voters choose.
If the parties switched like you say it did, and who's to doubt you, you have nailed it every time, :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: When did the republican party do all the looting and burning, and rioting etc? When has the republican party ever stood for the socialist? When did the republican party stand for tearing down this country? or taking a knee? or any of the other B.S. that is now the democrat platform? One thing your charts do not show you, for years the democratic party was split in southern democrats and northern democrats, the southern were not true conservatives but the northern were a lot more liberal, so liberal in fact that in several votes the southern would side with the republicans to stop the northern B.S.
Your charts are just for looking at, they do not tell you anything.
Quote from: Possum on July 23, 2020, 12:54:05 PM
If the parties switched like you say it did, and who's to doubt you, you have nailed it every time, :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: When did the republican party do all the looting and burning, and rioting etc? When has the republican party ever stood for the socialist? When did the republican party stand for tearing down this country? or taking a knee? or any of the other B.S. that is now the democrat platform? One thing your charts do not show you, for years the democratic party was split in southern democrats and northern democrats, the southern were not true conservatives but the northern were a lot more liberal, so liberal in fact that in several votes the southern would side with the republicans to stop the northern B.S.
Your charts are just for looking at, they do not tell you anything.
A lot of unrelated questions...but thank you for acknowledging that the Democrats were split between the "liberal"-North and "conservative"-South.
Those Southern Democrats voters, or Dixiecrats as they were called, were the ones that started voting Republican. That's the Party Switch I'm referring to.
Quote from: joesixpack on July 23, 2020, 03:17:57 PM
A lot of unrelated questions...but thank you for acknowledging that the Democrats were split between the "liberal"-North and "conservative"-South.
Those Southern Democrats voters, or Dixiecrats as they were called, were the ones that started voting Republican. That's the Party Switch I'm referring to.
Well, then you are wrong in your assumption. Here is what I wrote, "the southern were not true conservatives" see the difference in what you assumed? Go back and reread what I wrote, you got the whole post wrong. And can you answer the questions?
When has the republican party ever stood for the socialist? When did the republican party stand for tearing down this country? or taking a knee? or any of the other B.S. that is now the democrat platform?
Let's see if this helps, the democrats by their move to the left is the reason the south started voting for the republicans. John Tower who started out as a democrat switched to republican and won a senate seat in '61. The reason he switched parties was the democrats no longer held to his values, he was elected by people who felt the same way.
Quote from: Possum on July 23, 2020, 03:41:17 PM
Well, then you are wrong in your assumption. Here is what I wrote, "the southern were not true conservatives" see the difference in what you assumed? Go back and reread what I wrote, you got the whole post wrong. And can you answer the questions?
When has the republican party ever stood for the socialist? When did the republican party stand for tearing down this country? or taking a knee? or any of the other B.S. that is now the democrat platform?
Let's see if this helps, the democrats by their move to the left is the reason the south started voting for the republicans. John Tower who started out as a democrat switched to republican and won a senate seat in '61. The reason he switched parties was the democrats no longer held to his values, he was elected by people who felt the same way.
You can label the voters however you'd like. But the fact remains, those (historically racist) Dixiecrat/Southern Democrat voters vote for Republicans now. That's the switch.
But for the sake of argument, maybe I can follow your logic if you explain what a Conservative is by your definition?
Quote from: joesixpack on July 23, 2020, 03:53:40 PM
You can label the voters however you'd like. But the fact remains, those (historically racist) Dixiecrat/Southern Democrat voters vote for Republicans now. That's the switch.
But for the sake of argument, maybe I can follow your logic if you explain what a Conservative is by your definition?
I'm sure he'll agree with this.
What Is Conservatism?
This is a question that eludes many people, including conservatives. It is often incorrectly described as an ideology. It is not an ideology, which is an adherence to a rigid set of beliefs regardless of human experience. An ideology must ignore conservative principals.
Conservatism is a way of life. A conservative treats others with respect, and will never infringe upon one's life, liberty, or property.
An exemplary conservative does not exist. Conservatism is not shipped with an instruction manual. It consists of natural law, God's law, i.e, "do unto others", and common sense.
Conservatism is the absence of government control over the individual. The individual decides how he defines the states' power in protecting his liberties. Every human being has God given inalienable rights.
Conservative principals have been honed by years of human experience, based on reason, history, thinking, reading, observation, and traditions.
The conservative believes in the social contract that binds a healthy and working harmonic society, even something as innocuous as accepting which side of the road to drive on. We embrace change, but slow, adaptive change, as opposed to the cultural disruptions anti-conservatism demands. We favor the preservation of established customs, as values agreed upon edicts a binding society.
Free market principals are sacred to conservatives, where voluntary agreement or exchange occurs between parties without government intrusion. A free market is the foundation of a free, peaceful society.
The doctrine of the equality of mankind and the desirability of political and economic and social equality helps define the conservative. A conservative believes in egalitarianism where color or race plays no part in a conservative's life. There is no such thing as "special rights", as such a failing would result in someone else's liberties being trampled.
Conservatism is not a political party, and especially not defined as a modern day Republican.
Another route we might consider for examples of conservatism, such as life lessons, is "lead by example", or be the best you can be in a particular job in life. Even with the most menial of jobs, always be the best, because for one, you never knows who's watching, and there is more than a 50/50 chance it will open the next door in your life.
If for nothing else, personal integrity (honesty), satisfaction in knowing you did your best. This is what allows a conservative to always take the high road over that of the unprincipled liberal.
Quote from: joesixpack on July 23, 2020, 03:53:40 PM
You can label the voters however you'd like. But the fact remains, those (historically racist) Dixiecrat/Southern Democrat voters vote for Republicans now. That's the switch.
But for the sake of argument, maybe I can follow your logic if you explain what a Conservative is by your definition?
Then why are the democrats still raciest?
Quote from: Solar on July 23, 2020, 03:56:38 PM
I'm sure he'll agree with this.
What Is Conservatism?
This is a question that eludes many people, including conservatives. It is often incorrectly described as an ideology. It is not an ideology, which is an adherence to a rigid set of beliefs regardless of human experience. An ideology must ignore conservative principals.
Conservatism is a way of life. A conservative treats others with respect, and will never infringe upon one's life, liberty, or property.
An exemplary conservative does not exist. Conservatism is not shipped with an instruction manual. It consists of natural law, God's law, i.e, "do unto others", and common sense.
Conservatism is the absence of government control over the individual. The individual decides how he defines the states' power in protecting his liberties. Every human being has God given inalienable rights.
Conservative principals have been honed by years of human experience, based on reason, history, thinking, reading, observation, and traditions.
The conservative believes in the social contract that binds a healthy and working harmonic society, even something as innocuous as accepting which side of the road to drive on. We embrace change, but slow, adaptive change, as opposed to the cultural disruptions anti-conservatism demands. We favor the preservation of established customs, as values agreed upon edicts a binding society.
Free market principals are sacred to conservatives, where voluntary agreement or exchange occurs between parties without government intrusion. A free market is the foundation of a free, peaceful society.
The doctrine of the equality of mankind and the desirability of political and economic and social equality helps define the conservative. A conservative believes in egalitarianism where color or race plays no part in a conservative's life. There is no such thing as "special rights", as such a failing would result in someone else's liberties being trampled.
Conservatism is not a political party, and especially not defined as a modern day Republican.
Another route we might consider for examples of conservatism, such as life lessons, is "lead by example", or be the best you can be in a particular job in life. Even with the most menial of jobs, always be the best, because for one, you never knows who's watching, and there is more than a 50/50 chance it will open the next door in your life.
If for nothing else, personal integrity (honesty), satisfaction in knowing you did your best. This is what allows a conservative to always take the high road over that of the unprincipled liberal.
I think Possum will find that those Dixiecrats adhered to these principles:
Conservatism is the absence of government control over the individual. The individual decides how he defines the states' power in protecting his liberties. Every human being has God given inalienable rights.
The conservative believes in the social contract that binds a healthy and working harmonic society, even something as innocuous as accepting which side of the road to drive on. We embrace change, but slow, adaptive change, as opposed to the cultural disruptions anti-conservatism demands. We favor the preservation of established customs, as values agreed upon edicts a binding society.
Free market principals are sacred to conservatives, where voluntary agreement or exchange occurs between parties without government intrusion. A free market is the foundation of a free, peaceful society.Those folks vote Republican now, Possum.
Thanks for the post, Solar. Good to understand where you're coming from.
Quote from: joesixpack on July 23, 2020, 04:31:40 PM
I think Possum will find that those Dixiecrats adhered to these principles:
Conservatism is the absence of government control over the individual. The individual decides how he defines the states' power in protecting his liberties. Every human being has God given inalienable rights.
The conservative believes in the social contract that binds a healthy and working harmonic society, even something as innocuous as accepting which side of the road to drive on. We embrace change, but slow, adaptive change, as opposed to the cultural disruptions anti-conservatism demands. We favor the preservation of established customs, as values agreed upon edicts a binding society.
Free market principals are sacred to conservatives, where voluntary agreement or exchange occurs between parties without government intrusion. A free market is the foundation of a free, peaceful society.
Those folks vote Republican now, Possum.
Thanks for the post, Solar. Good to understand where you're coming from.
Joe, after the war, the south voted for the democrats because of reconstruction and continued to. There was an old saying that a yellow dog could get elected before a republican. It explains why johnson could get elected in Texas. That changed in 61. Now answer my question, You said the democrats were raciest, if the parties shifted, why are the democrats still the raciest?
Quote from: Solar on July 23, 2020, 03:56:38 PM
I'm sure he'll agree with this.
What Is Conservatism?
This is a question that eludes many people, including conservatives. It is often incorrectly described as an ideology. It is not an ideology, which is an adherence to a rigid set of beliefs regardless of human experience. An ideology must ignore conservative principals.
Conservatism is a way of life. A conservative treats others with respect, and will never infringe upon one's life, liberty, or property.
An exemplary conservative does not exist. Conservatism is not shipped with an instruction manual. It consists of natural law, God's law, i.e, "do unto others", and common sense.
Conservatism is the absence of government control over the individual. The individual decides how he defines the states' power in protecting his liberties. Every human being has God given inalienable rights.
Conservative principals have been honed by years of human experience, based on reason, history, thinking, reading, observation, and traditions.
The conservative believes in the social contract that binds a healthy and working harmonic society, even something as innocuous as accepting which side of the road to drive on. We embrace change, but slow, adaptive change, as opposed to the cultural disruptions anti-conservatism demands. We favor the preservation of established customs, as values agreed upon edicts a binding society.
Free market principals are sacred to conservatives, where voluntary agreement or exchange occurs between parties without government intrusion. A free market is the foundation of a free, peaceful society.
The doctrine of the equality of mankind and the desirability of political and economic and social equality helps define the conservative. A conservative believes in egalitarianism where color or race plays no part in a conservative's life. There is no such thing as "special rights", as such a failing would result in someone else's liberties being trampled.
Conservatism is not a political party, and especially not defined as a modern day Republican.
Another route we might consider for examples of conservatism, such as life lessons, is "lead by example", or be the best you can be in a particular job in life. Even with the most menial of jobs, always be the best, because for one, you never knows who's watching, and there is more than a 50/50 chance it will open the next door in your life.
If for nothing else, personal integrity (honesty), satisfaction in knowing you did your best. This is what allows a conservative to always take the high road over that of the unprincipled liberal.
Fantastic answer.
Quote from: joesixpack on July 23, 2020, 04:31:40 PM
I think Possum will find that those Dixiecrats adhered to these principles:
Conservatism is the absence of government control over the individual. The individual decides how he defines the states' power in protecting his liberties. Every human being has God given inalienable rights.
The conservative believes in the social contract that binds a healthy and working harmonic society, even something as innocuous as accepting which side of the road to drive on. We embrace change, but slow, adaptive change, as opposed to the cultural disruptions anti-conservatism demands. We favor the preservation of established customs, as values agreed upon edicts a binding society.
Free market principals are sacred to conservatives, where voluntary agreement or exchange occurs between parties without government intrusion. A free market is the foundation of a free, peaceful society.
Those folks vote Republican now, Possum.
Thanks for the post, Solar. Good to understand where you're coming from.
See, that's the thing, one doesn't suddenly change values, and that's the point about Conservatism and liberalism, they are polar opposites today.
I doubt the Dims of the day suddenly gained moral values.
So the question is, why do you support the DNC? Have you no values?
Quote from: Possum on July 23, 2020, 04:50:24 PM
Fantastic answer.
Thanks, I thought it aligned with your beliefs. :cool:
Quote from: Solar on July 23, 2020, 06:12:39 PM
See, that's the thing, one doesn't suddenly change values, and that's the point about Conservatism and liberalism, they are polar opposites today.
I doubt the Dims of the day suddenly gained moral values.
So the question is, why do you support the DNC? Have you no values?
The Dixiecrats didn't have to change their values in order to align with the Republican party. Possum said that the northern-Democrats were so liberal, the Dixiecrats and their voters sided with Republicans.
Reagan said that the he didn't leave the Dems, the Dems left him.
So, my point is, that the values that changed were that of the Democratic Party. The Dixiecrats and their voters did not change their values. On that, we agree. And they didn't have to. The Republican Party aligned with their values well enough for them to join that party.
And if you look at a map of the House vote to remove the Confederate statues:
(https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/116-2020/h156/map)
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/116-2020/h156
Those same Dixiecrats, who are now Republicans, are the 'No" votes. Just like they voted "No" on most anything related to Civil Rights.
It's still them. And they're Republicans now unfortunately.
Quote from: Possum on July 23, 2020, 04:47:44 PM
Joe, after the war, the south voted for the democrats because of reconstruction and continued to. There was an old saying that a yellow dog could get elected before a republican. It explains why johnson could get elected in Texas. That changed in 61. Now answer my question, You said the democrats were raciest, if the parties shifted, why are the democrats still the raciest?
Am I reading your response correctly? It appears that we agree on the Party Switch...let me know if I'm not misunderstanding you...
Quote from: joesixpack on July 23, 2020, 06:55:30 PM
The Dixiecrats didn't have to change their values in order to align with the Republican party. Possum said that the northern-Democrats were so liberal, the Dixiecrats and their voters sided with Republicans.
Reagan said that the he didn't leave the Dems, the Dems left him.
So, my point is, that the values that changed were that of the Democratic Party. The Dixiecrats and their voters did not change their values. On that, we agree. And they didn't have to. The Republican Party aligned with their values well enough for them to join that party.
And if you look at a map of the House vote to remove the Confederate statues:
(https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/116-2020/h156/map)
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/116-2020/h156
Those same Dixiecrats, who are now Republicans, are the 'No" votes. Just like they voted "No" on most anything related to Civil Rights.
It's still them. And they're Republicans now unfortunately.
Gee Joe, how many decades have passed since? :rolleyes:
Quote from: joesixpack on July 23, 2020, 06:55:43 PM
Am I reading your response correctly? It appears that we agree on the Party Switch...let me know if I'm not misunderstanding you...
Joe, there are still democrats in the south, many of them. They are the ones who believe in racism, destroying, tearing down statues, against the church, etc. Your argument seems to believe that everyone just went republican. Now, ask yourself, what happened to the republicans in the north? Where are they? Who is doing the looting? Look at all the gun violence in the democrat run places, is that caused by republicans.
Quote from: Possum on July 24, 2020, 03:38:15 AM
Joe, there are still democrats in the south, many of them. They are the ones who believe in racism, destroying, tearing down statues, against the church, etc. Your argument seems to believe that everyone just went republican. Now, ask yourself, what happened to the republicans in the north? Where are they? Who is doing the looting? Look at all the gun violence in the democrat run places, is that caused by republicans.
I find it fascinating he admitted the DNC is not only racist at heart, but the party Hell bent on destroying this Nation. :lol:
Quote from: Solar on July 24, 2020, 04:44:53 AM
I find it fascinating he admitted the DNC is not only racist at heart, but the party Hell bent on destroying this Nation. :lol:
It is a damn shame they do not teach history anymore. Or how to think for one's self.
The mayor of Portland marching with the protesters, siding with them as they destroyed, and the whole time the protesters were telling him to f--k off. This is your democratic party. Antifa has and will not stop with just tearing down the confederate statues, they want to tear down Columbus, Washington, Jefferson, etc, they want to destroy this country and punks who back them are too stupid to see it. Joe's whole point was to "prove" the republicans are raciest, when all he had to do was oopen his damn eyes and see where all the hatred is occurring. Nobody is tearing down anything because they love this country!!
Quote from: Possum on July 24, 2020, 05:04:43 AM
It is a damn shame they do not teach history anymore. Or how to think for one's self.
The mayor of Portland marching with the protesters, siding with them as they destroyed, and the whole time the protesters were telling him to f--k off. This is your democratic party. Antifa has and will not stop with just tearing down the confederate statues, they want to tear down Columbus, Washington, Jefferson, etc, they want to destroy this country and punks who back them are too stupid to see it. Joe's whole point was to "prove" the republicans are raciest, when all he had to do was oopen his damn eyes and see where all the hatred is occurring. Nobody is tearing down anything because they love this country!!
Check it out. Joe trying to explain how this isn't a leftist DNC problem. :lol: :lol: :lol:
https://dailycaller.com/2020/07/23/harris-faulkner-challenges-marie-harf-name-republican-led-city-violence/
Quote from: Possum on July 24, 2020, 03:38:15 AM
Joe, there are still democrats in the south, many of them. They are the ones who believe in racism, destroying, tearing down statues, against the church, etc. Your argument seems to believe that everyone just went republican. Now, ask yourself, what happened to the republicans in the north? Where are they? Who is doing the looting? Look at all the gun violence in the democrat run places, is that caused by republicans.
My argument is and has been that those Southern Democrats/Dixiecrat voters are now Republicans and GOP voters.
It appears that we agreed on that. That was the Party Switch. Agree or disagree?
Quote from: joesixpack on July 23, 2020, 09:42:28 AM
By party switch, we're referring to who the voters choose.
Then call it by its correct name. It is not a party switch because they did not switch parties get it, got it, good.
Quote from: joesixpack on July 23, 2020, 03:17:57 PM
A lot of unrelated questions...but thank you for acknowledging that the Democrats were split between the "liberal"-North and "conservative"-South.
Those Southern Democrats voters, or Dixiecrats as they were called, were the ones that started voting Republican. That's the Party Switch I'm referring to.
For the third time Joe it's not a party switch unless the voter switches parties try to pay attention because I'm getting tired of reminding you.
As far as the Dixiecrats are concerned there was one dixiecrat that left the Democratic Party and became a Republican the rest continued to live and they died as Democrats. If you do not believe that look it up because you definitely got this one wrong.
Quote from: joesixpack on July 23, 2020, 03:53:40 PM
You can label the voters however you'd like. But the fact remains, those (historically racist) Dixiecrat/Southern Democrat voters vote for Republicans now. That's the switch.
But for the sake of argument, maybe I can follow your logic if you explain what a Conservative is by your definition?
News flash, to vote across party lines does not mean a switch in party affiliation. Simply by voting for a Republican when you happen to be registered as a Democrat does not automatically make you a Republican. As far as the Dixiecrats changing parties, only one did Strom Thurmond. If there were any other of the Dixiecrats that changed parties I would like for you to post their names. I'm not going to do your research but you made the claim that the dixiecrat Democrat switched parties and became Republicans when in fact only one did so either prove what you're saying or drop it. I will give you a starting point. In the 1948 Democrat Convention 22 members of the Mississippi delegation and 13 members of the Alabama delegation walked out of the convention and along with Strom Thurmond and others formed the dixiecrat party. Historically those are your Dixiecrats. Now other than Strom Thurmond name the other ones that became Republicans or shut the hell up about it. In 1960 Strom Thurmond voted for Richard Nixon while still a Democrat, that doesn't mean he switched parties, that didn't happen until 1964. The other option is to remain ignorant so you don't have to know the truth.
http://movies2.nytimes.com/library/politics/camp/480715convention-dem-ra.html
https://www.abbevilleinstitute.org/blog/strom-thurmond-the-dixiecrats-and-southern-identity/
Now either prove with names and dates the Dixiecrats that became Republicans or remain an ignorant troll and liar. I care not but I will point it out every time I see it
Quote from: joesixpack on July 24, 2020, 06:33:07 AM
My argument is and has been that those Southern Democrats/Dixiecrat voters are now Republicans and GOP voters.
It appears that we agreed on that. That was the Party Switch. Agree or disagree?
Totally disagree. There are still democrats in the south, they did not disappear, if there was a switch, it was the northern republicans who joined the democrats and formed the socialist party that we now call the democrats. Now answer my question, if you claim the democrats were the raciest party, why are they still raciest?
Quote from: joesixpack on July 24, 2020, 06:33:07 AM
My argument is and has been that those Southern Democrats/Dixiecrat voters are now Republicans and GOP voters.
It appears that we agreed on that. That was the Party Switch. Agree or disagree?
I call bullshit............!
Joe, you and every other democrat want so badly to run from the truth that the democrat party is the party of racism. Your impossible dream is to make a lie truth....it's not going to happen Joe.
The same way you tried to pin racist George Wallace as a republican in this thread is the same way the democrats tried to claim Abe Lincoln was a democrat and Obama was a conservative. You guys want the switch so bad you will lie through your teeth to get it.
Now Joe, here's the solution, like a junkie, the first step is admitting he has a drug problem. With that being said Joe, the only way the democrat party can reconcile it's pass is to admit they have a problem with racism. The sad and funny part at the same time is the democrats are trying to place their sins of racism on the republicans...like you are trying to do in this thread.
The liberal media is trying the same bullshit you are trying to pull here Joe.
Read and weep....The democrat's impossible dream is to make a lie truth.
Please explain the liberal media's actions below.
http://conservativepoliticalforum.com/political-discussion-and-debate/democrats-impossible-dream-is-to-make-a-lie-truth/msg410113/#msg410113