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I commented some time ago that I would not take the "covid 19 vaccine" regardless of what the Democrats do. They can violate the U.S. Constitution and "mandate" it all they want and I still won't take it. Well guess what? The first story which as usual the media scuttled, has come out.

A Pharmacist in Wis. admitted that he DELIBERATELY left the vaccine out overnight and compromised 500 doses or
$ 11,000.00 worth. The Pharmacist then put the vaccine back in the refrigerator the next morning so no one would know that the vaccine was no good. As I stated, the Left will do ANYTHING, harm anyone, kill anyone and do anything to "get" those who support President Trump.

If this is deliberately being avoided by the leftist media, what else are they not telling us? If the vaccine is compromised by the left, what are the long term consequences of those folks who took it? How many doses of the vaccine has been tampered with that the media is covering up for? What long term affects on their body will a tampered with vaccine have and how many years before the affects show themselves? If someone dies as a result of a tainted vaccine, how would the family prove that it was the tampering that caused health issues? Who pays and who is held accountable for health affects that surface years later?

This kind of horseplay, hatred and TDS is one of many reasons that I firmly believe that the election was stolen.

Quote from: RV on January 01, 2021, 08:47:41 AM
I commented some time ago that I would not take the "covid 19 vaccine" regardless of what the Democrats do. They can violate the U.S. Constitution and "mandate" it all they want and I still won't take it. Well guess what? The first story which as usual the media scuttled, has come out.

To be honest, I don't understand why there is such mistrust of this particular vaccine.

We were all vaccinated in childhood against many diseases. Most of us survived thanks to vaccinations.

If you, personally, are afraid of this vaccine, you have the opportunity to see how already vaccinated people will live and make your choice later.

And don't forget that the first smallpox vaccine was made from cow poop.

Quote from: Yuriy the Loader on January 09, 2021, 08:14:13 PM
To be honest, I don't understand why there is such mistrust of this particular vaccine.

We were all vaccinated in childhood against many diseases. Most of us survived thanks to vaccinations.

If you, personally, are afraid of this vaccine, you have the opportunity to see how already vaccinated people will live and make your choice later.

And don't forget that the first smallpox vaccine was made from cow poop.

I am not "afraid" of the vaccine. The numbers and statistics speak for themselves. If you want to take the vaccine be my guest but, I will not.

Quote from: RV on January 10, 2021, 09:22:41 AM
I am not "afraid" of the vaccine. The numbers and statistics speak for themselves. If you want to take the vaccine be my guest but, I will not.

Me either, and I don't do the seasonal flu vac either.

Quote from: RV on January 01, 2021, 08:47:41 AM
I commented some time ago that I would not take the "covid 19 vaccine" regardless of what the Democrats do. They can violate the U.S. Constitution and "mandate" it all they want and I still won't take it. Well guess what? The first story which as usual the media scuttled, has come out.

A Pharmacist in Wis. admitted that he DELIBERATELY left the vaccine out overnight and compromised 500 doses or
$ 11,000.00 worth. The Pharmacist then put the vaccine back in the refrigerator the next morning so no one would know that the vaccine was no good. As I stated, the Left will do ANYTHING, harm anyone, kill anyone and do anything to "get" those who support President Trump.

To the lefties on this forum: will you condemn compromising the vaccine?

Quote from: Solar on January 10, 2021, 09:40:01 AM
Me either, and I don't do the seasonal flu vac either.

In our company, the annual vaccination against the flu was mandatory, so I got sick twice a year, first from the vaccine, then from the flu.

Quote from: Yuriy the Loader on January 10, 2021, 09:59:23 AM
In our company, the annual vaccination against the flu was mandatory, so I got sick twice a year, first from the vaccine, then from the flu.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

That's why I quit getting it. It made me sicker than the actual flu.

Quote from: Solar on January 10, 2021, 10:07:35 AM
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

That's why I quit getting it. It made me sicker than the actual flu.

But I lost two good friends to the flu. If I had the opportunity to return to those days, I would try to vaccinate them.

Quote from: Yuriy the Loader on January 10, 2021, 10:29:53 AM
But I lost two good friends to the flu. If I had the opportunity to return to those days, I would try to vaccinate them.

So have I, and everyone of them were old with underlying conditions.

If the CDC's own figures are to be believed, over the prior 15 flu seasons, the flu vaccine only reached the low bar of being 40% effective nine times. It's been as low as a jaw-dropping 10% – meaning 9 out of 10 people who got vaccinated that year got zero protection from the flu – but never gone above 60%.

https://redstate.com/michael_thau/2020/10/16/flu-vaccine-fail-cdc-effectiveness-stats-are-scandalous-as-low-as-5-n262617

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/vaccines-work/vaccineeffect.htm

Quote from: Solar on January 10, 2021, 10:54:22 AM
So have I, and everyone of them were old with underlying conditions.

Unlucky, but my friends were 26 years old (1982) and the other 42 years old (1989).

But there were never any epidemics in the USSR. Because all TV and radio and newspapers belonged to the government.

In the 60s in Uzbekistan an entire city went underground (earthquake), we only learned about this in the early 90s.

I'm young, so by the time these rollouts come to me, there will have been additional research done on it from those who took it first. I'll more then likely base my decision off that.

Over the past 150 years, since then, when people generally understood the mechanisms of the spread of viral and bacterial (do not confuse!) Diseases, no one has ever managed to create an artificial epidemic, let alone a pandemic. (According to WHO statistics, it is now considered an epidemic if more than 1% of the population is sick or infected, and if more than 5%, then it is already a pandemic).

In the 40s, the Japanese tried to cause an epidemic of smallpox in their camps for Chinese prisoners, but were able to infect fewer than 2 thousand prisoners.

The experiments on the organization of the epidemic, which were carried out by the German Nazis in their camps for the extermination of prisoners and Jews, came to approximately the same result.

And those types of influenza that pass in waves from Southeast and East Asia (the first wave was registered in 1917-1918) are not (according to scientists virologists and biologists of a more general profile) artificial formations, but result from the movement of a significant viral load from animals, traditional carriers, to human organisms.

Those who are older remember the epidemics of the 60s, then the 70s, 80s and so on. The deadliest wave was Influenza of 1917-1918, when 8-10 million people worldwide died from a single virus strain.

The current epidemic, so far, is not comparable to the epidemic 100 years ago, which, however, does not prevent it from becoming more deadly in the future.

And to refuse vaccination, if such a vaccine already exists and there is an opportunity to use it, I think it is wrong.

Although I am not a doctor and cannot make recommendations.

Any vaccine has some side effects. There are categories of people (up to 5%) for whom the vaccine does not work, and there are categories of people (less than 1%) who simply die from vaccination. But 95% of people still become protected from viral infection.

And this is very important because the viral load in society is significantly reduced.

Many people believe stories from the Internet or from friends that universal vaccination can lead to some kind of "chipping of the brain of the vaccinated."

We should not believe this, since there are no such biological technologies.

Not yet, at least.

Quote from: Yuriy the Loader on January 11, 2021, 05:13:35 AM
Over the past 150 years, since then, when people generally understood the mechanisms of the spread of viral and bacterial (do not confuse!) Diseases, no one has ever managed to create an artificial epidemic, let alone a pandemic. (According to WHO statistics, it is now considered an epidemic if more than 1% of the population is sick or infected, and if more than 5%, then it is already a pandemic).

In the 40s, the Japanese tried to cause an epidemic of smallpox in their camps for Chinese prisoners, but were able to infect fewer than 2 thousand prisoners.

The experiments on the organization of the epidemic, which were carried out by the German Nazis in their camps for the extermination of prisoners and Jews, came to approximately the same result.

And those types of influenza that pass in waves from Southeast and East Asia (the first wave was registered in 1917-1918) are not (according to scientists virologists and biologists of a more general profile) artificial formations, but result from the movement of a significant viral load from animals, traditional carriers, to human organisms.

Those who are older remember the epidemics of the 60s, then the 70s, 80s and so on. The deadliest wave was Influenza of 1917-1918, when 8-10 million people worldwide died from a single virus strain.

The current epidemic, so far, is not comparable to the epidemic 100 years ago, which, however, does not prevent it from becoming more deadly in the future.

And to refuse vaccination, if such a vaccine already exists and there is an opportunity to use it, I think it is wrong.

Although I am not a doctor and cannot make recommendations.

Any vaccine has some side effects. There are categories of people (up to 5%) for whom the vaccine does not work, and there are categories of people (less than 1%) who simply die from vaccination. But 95% of people still become protected from viral infection.

And this is very important because the viral load in society is significantly reduced.

Many people believe stories from the Internet or from friends that universal vaccination can lead to some kind of "chipping of the brain of the vaccinated."

We should not believe this, since there are no such biological technologies.

Not yet, at least.

Why do you willingly buy the lie that this so called "Vaccine" is safe?

Quote from: Solar on January 11, 2021, 05:41:39 AM
Why do you willingly buy the lie that this so called "Vaccine" is safe?

Actually, I wrote that no vaccine is safe. That there is always a risk of an atypical reaction of the body. The great Soviet rocket designer Korolev died during an operation from an atypical reaction of his body to Ledocaine, and he was only 64 years old.

But what I wrote, you, unfortunately, did not understand.

If there are many vaccinated, then the viral load will decrease and even old skeptics like you will survive.

Quote from: Yuriy the Loader on January 11, 2021, 06:04:29 AM
Actually, I wrote that no vaccine is safe. That there is always a risk of an atypical reaction of the body. The great Soviet rocket designer Korolev died during an operation from an atypical reaction of his body to Ledocaine, and he was only 64 years old.

But what I wrote, you, unfortunately, did not understand.

If there are many vaccinated, then the viral load will decrease and even old skeptics like you will survive.

So if "no vaccine is safe" then why take an unsafe vaccine? The statistics tells us that the Wuhan virus is survivable in 99% of the cases and one may not even have symptoms or know that they have it. Seems like walking out in front of a bus because a bicycle is on the sidewalk.

I have an innate immunity to smallpox. But many millions of Europeans died of smallpox.

Are you against being vaccinated at all?

Quote from: Yuriy the Loader on January 11, 2021, 06:32:50 AM
I have an innate immunity to smallpox. But many millions of Europeans died of smallpox.

Are you against being vaccinated at all?

I guess that depends on what "at all" means. To be completely honest, when I was a child and had no say, my parents had me receive vaccinations as the doctor told them to. As an adult and able to make my own decisions, yes, I am against being vaccinated "at all". There is far too much evidence that the vaccinations contain things and are made with stuff that absolutely should not be put into the human body. As I said several posts ago, my doctor may be honest but, God only knows about the people who developed and touched the vaccines prior to that.

Quote from: Yuriy the Loader on January 11, 2021, 06:04:29 AM
Actually, I wrote that no vaccine is safe. That there is always a risk of an atypical reaction of the body. The great Soviet rocket designer Korolev died during an operation from an atypical reaction of his body to Ledocaine, and he was only 64 years old.

But what I wrote, you, unfortunately, did not understand.

If there are many vaccinated, then the viral load will decrease and even old skeptics like you will survive.

I believe in my immune system. If this thing is as pervasive as you claim it is, why did China just allow all of Wuhan to celebrate in the streets?
You must look beyond govt propaganda. Surely you recognize that?

Quote from: RV on January 11, 2021, 06:40:09 AM
I guess that depends on what "at all" means. To be completely honest, when I was a child and had no say, my parents had me receive vaccinations as the doctor told them to. As an adult and able to make my own decisions, yes, I am against being vaccinated "at all". There is far too much evidence that the vaccinations contain things and are made with stuff that absolutely should not be put into the human body. As I said several posts ago, my doctor may be honest but, God only knows about the people who developed and touched the vaccines prior to that.

I knew people who were afraid to take NaCl into their bodies!

But a tetanus shot, I would still recommend you.

Quote from: Yuriy the Loader on January 11, 2021, 06:48:01 AM
I knew people who were afraid to take NaCl into their bodies!

But a tetanus shot, I would still recommend you.

We're in an entirely new world since the days of the polio vaccine, history proves out drug companies are not in the business of saving lives.
Just live your life and quit believing all the propaganda! Surely you, more than anyone should be aware of this?

Quote from: Solar on January 11, 2021, 06:50:40 AM
We're in an entirely new world since the days of the polio vaccine, history proves out drug companies are not in the business of saving lives.
Just live your life and quit believing all the propaganda! Surely you, more than anyone should be aware of this?

I know what I know and I know that my knowledge is not based on deep study of the subject.

Moreover, biology, which studies life at the cellular and smaller levels, is unusually complex and multi-order.

But! I am interested in the subject and listen to popular lectures by active scientists.

I also understand that acting scientists are just today's level of science and tomorrow, everything can turn upside down.

Quote from: Yuriy the Loader on January 11, 2021, 07:02:26 AM
I know what I know and I know that my knowledge is not based on deep study of the subject.

Moreover, biology, which studies life at the cellular and smaller levels, is unusually complex and multi-order.

But! I am interested in the subject and listen to popular lectures by active scientists.

I also understand that acting scientists are just today's level of science and tomorrow, everything can turn upside down.

Try another approach, listen to the scientists who are calling out this scam, or how Bill Gates, a leader in the belief of eugenics, the shrinking of the worlds population, owns the patent on the virus itself.
Yes, he funded the Wuhan lab that released the virus. No Fuckin way am I taking something that may have a hidden timebomb in it.

Quote from: Solar on January 11, 2021, 07:27:04 AM
Try another approach, listen to the scientists who are calling out this scam, or how Bill Gates, a leader in the belief of eugenics, the shrinking of the worlds population, owns the patent on the virus itself.
Yes, he funded the Wuhan lab that released the virus. No Fuckin way am I taking something that may have a hidden timebomb in it.

In circles close to the computer business, there is a firm opinion that the only thing that Bill Gates has successfully accomplished in life is he stole  "Operating System" (OS) from Steve Wozniak, slightly worsened it and successfully sold it under the name "Windows".

It is unlikely that he could invent and manufacture microchips that are successfully implanted into the brains of people and begin to control them.

And why?

People are already well managed. And no chips needed. And without brains ... :biggrin:

Quote from: Solar on January 11, 2021, 07:27:04 AM
No Fuckin way am I taking something that may have a hidden timebomb in it.

Tell me honestly, how much NaCl did you consume today?

Quote from: Yuriy the Loader on January 11, 2021, 10:52:49 AM
Tell me honestly, how much NaCl did you consume today?

About 0.6% of the amount of DHMO that I've consumed.
Are you implying that something the body needs is more poisonous than injecting a foreign agent into the body? :rolleyes:

Quote from: Yuriy the Loader on January 11, 2021, 06:48:01 AM
I knew people who were afraid to take NaCl into their bodies!

But a tetanus shot, I would still recommend you.

I have seen people in the news and on television do all sorts of things. Just because someone is "afraid" to do something does not mean that I should be afraid. Just because someone else does something stupid is not reason for me to do it.

There are still people who believe the earth is flat. There are people who believe all sorts of things. There are people who are afraid of all sorts of things as well. To be a rational, thinking, human being requires that I look at facts rather than emotion. Taking a vaccine that is suspect just because I am told to do so makes no sense whatsoever. The fact that the statistics all show that vaccines are suspect makes the decision quite easy.

Quote from: RV on January 11, 2021, 06:40:34 PM
I have seen people in the news and on television do all sorts of things. Just because someone is "afraid" to do something does not mean that I should be afraid. Just because someone else does something stupid is not reason for me to do it.

There are still people who believe the earth is flat. There are people who believe all sorts of things. There are people who are afraid of all sorts of things as well. To be a rational, thinking, human being requires that I look at facts rather than emotion. Taking a vaccine that is suspect just because I am told to do so makes no sense whatsoever. The fact that the statistics all show that vaccines are suspect makes the decision quite easy.

And you know, I agree with you! It was vaccines and antibiotics that caused us to overpopulate the planet!

Get rid of vaccines and antibiotics, and the population of the Earth will again return to a reasonable one billion. As before the First World War. When no effective drugs had been invented yet.

Women gave birth to 10 children in order for one to grow up to fertile age and begin to reproduce itself. A limb fracture meant the amputation of that limb. Doctors infected women in labor with all sorts of infections from the morgue, where they studied how the bodies of the dead work.

8 - 10 million deaths from the Spanish flu, an excellent harvest of small balls, similar to a ship's mine.

Quote from: Yuriy the Loader on January 11, 2021, 10:47:26 AM
In circles close to the computer business, there is a firm opinion that the only thing that Bill Gates has successfully accomplished in life is he stole  "Operating System" (OS) from Steve Wozniak, slightly worsened it and successfully sold it under the name "Windows".

It is unlikely that he could invent and manufacture microchips that are successfully implanted into the brains of people and begin to control them.

And why?

People are already well managed. And no chips needed. And without brains ... :biggrin:

I agree with you that Bill Gates is not a microbiologist and cannot manufacture vaccines or any other medical product. He CAN however be like George Soros and provide millions of dollars for the sole purpose of enslaving the public and furthering his agenda.

Quote from: Yuriy the Loader on January 11, 2021, 06:54:33 PM
And you know, I agree with you! It was vaccines and antibiotics that caused us to overpopulate the planet!

Get rid of vaccines and antibiotics, and the population of the Earth will again return to a reasonable one billion. As before the First World War. When no effective drugs had been invented yet.

Women gave birth to 10 children in order for one to grow up to fertile age and begin to reproduce itself. A limb fracture meant the amputation of that limb. Doctors infected women in labor with all sorts of infections from the morgue, where they studied how the bodies of the dead work.

8 - 10 million deaths from the Spanish flu, an excellent harvest of small balls, similar to a ship's mine.

So, am I getting this correct? You advocate for unsanitary conditions for the sole purpose of causing as many deaths as possible so that "the population of the Earth will again return to a reasonable one billion"? Because that is what you said. So you justify the murder of innocents to fulfill your ideal population? And by the way, where can I find that your number is the right number? Didn't God say "go forth and multiply"? So you think that you know better than God?

Who makes the call of who lives or dies? Are you willing to be the first to abandon sanitary conditions? What about what God the Creator said about life?

Quote from: RV on January 12, 2021, 06:10:21 AM
So, am I getting this correct? You advocate for unsanitary conditions for the sole purpose of causing as many deaths as possible so that "the population of the Earth will again return to a reasonable one billion"? Because that is what you said. So you justify the murder of innocents to fulfill your ideal population? And by the way, where can I find that your number is the right number? Didn't God say "go forth and multiply"? So you think that you know better than God?

Who makes the call of who lives or dies? Are you willing to be the first to abandon sanitary conditions? What about what God the Creator said about life?

Let's first find out which god you mean.

If you are a Jew, a Muslim or a Christian, you mean one God, although the Christians have a God somehow upset.

If you are a Hindu or a synthaist, then you have a lot of gods and what they just didn't say in a long history.

If you are a Buddhist, then you have no god at all, because Buddha is not a god but a teacher.

And yes, the current 8 billion of the world's population was made possible only by vaccinations, antibiotics and GMO products. If these three components did not exist, people would die faster than they were born.

I don't know what the Creator said. Moreover, I don't know if the Creator could speak at all. And if he could, then for 13.8 billion years, his words did not reach us.

True, His laws came down, which he laid in our Universe, and these laws are valid for the entire Universe from the beginning of time, and until now, at least.

And it does not say anywhere that you do not need to be vaccinated against the virus. You made it up yourself. I don't know why or why ..

Quote from: RV on January 12, 2021, 06:05:12 AM
I agree with you that Bill Gates is not a microbiologist and cannot manufacture vaccines or any other medical product. He CAN however be like George Soros and provide millions of dollars for the sole purpose of enslaving the public and furthering his agenda.

Yes, the power of money is great.

But are we on the side of Capitalism in the United States?

Or are you still leaning towards the socialist idea and want to take money from these two scoundrels and thieves?

Quote from: Yuriy the Loader on January 12, 2021, 08:18:09 AM
Let's first find out which god you mean.

There is only one God. You may think that there are many but, you are mistaken.

Quote from: Yuriy the Loader on January 12, 2021, 08:18:09 AM
If you are a Jew, a Muslim or a Christian, you mean one God, although the Christians have a God somehow upset.

God is never surprised or "upset". He knows far more than we will ever know. God is far more knowledgable, far more powerful, far more righteous and far more omniscient than we could ever be.

Quote from: Yuriy the Loader on January 12, 2021, 08:18:09 AM
If you are a Hindu or a synthaist, then you have a lot of gods and what they just didn't say in a long history.

While man may invent many "gods", there is only one God who is in all, through all and the creator of all. God sent His ONLY Son to redeem us and make us blameless. Sadly there are human beings who choose punishment rather than life and they will receive what they have chosen.

Quote from: Yuriy the Loader on January 12, 2021, 08:18:09 AM
If you are a Buddhist, then you have no god at all, because Buddha is not a god but a teacher.

Buddha was a human being like everyone of us and he was not "deity", not God's Son and cannot "save" us from anything.

Quote from: Yuriy the Loader on January 12, 2021, 08:18:09 AM
And yes, the current 8 billion of the world's population was made possible only by vaccinations, antibiotics and GMO products. If these three components did not exist, people would die faster than they were born.

Well that is your opinion anyway.

Quote from: Yuriy the Loader on January 12, 2021, 08:18:09 AM
I don't know what the Creator said.
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No, I bet you don't. The people who claim that the Constitution is "obsolete" and want a lawless Communist society probably have no clue what it says either yet, they still advocate as if they do.

Quote from: Yuriy the Loader on January 12, 2021, 08:18:09 AM
Moreover, I don't know if the Creator could speak at all. And if he could, then for 13.8 billion years, his words did not reach us.

The Bible says that we were made in His image so, that would mean that He CAN. It's not that "God's words did not reach us", it's that men loved money, wealth, fame, fortune and thus ignored God and His word. Many today still ignore or deny Him just as they did 2,000 years ago. Take the election for example. Only someone who is a lover of self and their own self interests would vote more than once, throw ballots for an opposing candidate away or rig a machine to switch votes to the candidate they wanted.

Quote from: Yuriy the Loader on January 12, 2021, 08:18:09 AM
True, His laws came down, which he laid in our Universe, and these laws are valid for the entire Universe from the beginning of time, and until now, at least.

First off, we are flawed humans so, no one can follow the law completely. None of us are sinless, spotless, perfect nor righteous next to God. That is why He gave us Jesus, to reconcile man to his Creator.

Quote from: Yuriy the Loader on January 12, 2021, 08:18:09 AM
And it does not say anywhere that you do not need to be vaccinated against the virus. You made it up yourself. I don't know why or why ..

No, there is no place in the Bible where it says that one should be vaccinated. The Bible doesn't use the words "rapture", "Bible" or "Internet" either. Actually there are many words not used in the Bible yet many proclaim that they are taboo, wrong or otherwise atrocious. The Bible does say in many places that we are to trust God and obey His word if we love Him.

The Bible says one thing, the Torah is a little different, the Koran is quite the third. The Book of Changes is the fourth, Mahabharata is the fifth, the Book of the Dead is generally the sixth.

But they all insist that it is they who bring us the light of true knowledge.

In my seventh opinion, you are all wrong.

It is for this reason that the US Bill of Rights argues that all opinions are important, that all opinions are needed.

The Founding Fathers were wise, and this was the basis for their fundamental decision, to separate religion from the state. Although it is written on our coat of arms that "We believe in God," it does not say which one, so that citizens do not gnaw each other's throats.

Quote from: Yuriy the Loader on January 12, 2021, 10:18:44 AM
The Bible says one thing, the Torah is a little different, the Koran is quite the third. The Book of Changes is the fourth, Mahabharata is the fifth, the Book of the Dead is generally the sixth.

But they all insist that it is they who bring us the light of true knowledge.

In my seventh opinion, you are all wrong.

It is for this reason that the US Bill of Rights argues that all opinions are important, that all opinions are needed.

The Founding Fathers were wise, and this was the basis for their fundamental decision, to separate religion from the state. Although it is written on our coat of arms that "We believe in God," it does not say which one, so that citizens do not gnaw each other's throats.

If it were "just my opinion" then I would understand. Unfortunately it is not "my opinion". It isn't "my word" nor "my truth" either. It is THE truth. You are free to take it or leave it. I am not now nor will I ever be responsible for your decision. When you face God Almighty, I hope that this conversation comes back to you because, God WILL remind you of it whether you do or not. It is His word, His judgement and His decision based upon whether you accepted or rejected His Son.

Jews have fun like that too. They know that this man, the son of God, must soon return to Earth.

(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRIMyvrAmsRL0w0Ld1fqalxh1WotKZLZp4bQw&usqp=CAU) :biggrin:

Wife and I have had first Pfizer, next week second.  A little tired and headache-y but overall fine. Lots of friends and family have had it too, but many others are reluctant as some here are. I think given the number of people who have had it and are fine, why not get it? I commented in link below too.

http://conservativepoliticalforum.com/healthy-living/do-not-vaccinate!!!/?action=post;quote=455044;last_msg=455089

Quote from: Yuriy the Loader on January 12, 2021, 08:18:09 AM
Let's first find out which god you mean.

If you are a Jew, a Muslim or a Christian, you mean one God, although the Christians have a God somehow upset.

If you are a Hindu or a synthaist, then you have a lot of gods and what they just didn't say in a long history.

If you are a Buddhist, then you have no god at all, because Buddha is not a god but a teacher.

And yes, the current 8 billion of the world's population was made possible only by vaccinations, antibiotics and GMO products. If these three components did not exist, people would die faster than they were born.

I don't know what the Creator said. Moreover, I don't know if the Creator could speak at all. And if he could, then for 13.8 billion years, his words did not reach us.

True, His laws came down, which he laid in our Universe, and these laws are valid for the entire Universe from the beginning of time, and until now, at least.

And it does not say anywhere that you do not need to be vaccinated against the virus. You made it up yourself. I don't know why or why ..

Since there is only one God, one Son, one Holy Spirit & one word, it really doesn't matter to me how many gods are claimed, created nor fabricated by human "religions". Yes, there are many "religions" and many people who claim many things but, they do not line up with scripture. So while you may be confused and befuddled by "religion" when your life is over, you will face THE God and He will determine your fate, NOT religion, not gods, nor what other "religions" claim.

Quote from: midcan5 on March 26, 2021, 02:33:25 PM
Wife and I have had first Pfizer, next week second.  A little tired and headache-y but overall fine. Lots of friends and family have had it too, but many others are reluctant as some here are. I think given the number of people who have had it and are fine, why not get it? I commented in link below too.

http://conservativepoliticalforum.com/healthy-living/do-not-vaccinate!!!/?action=post;quote=455044;last_msg=455089

It may be claimed that everyone is "fine" but, what about a year from now? Two years from now? Five years from now? What recourse is offered if and when the recipients aren't "fine"? Who can be held accountable if and when the recipients aren't fine? Would anyone even know if the "vaccine" altered their DNA? Where was the "vaccine" prior to being at the injection location? Was the "vaccine" left out without refrigeration somewhere along the way? Was a choice given prior to injection, on which "vaccine" the recipient wanted?

My wife and I are not going to put something into our bodies that may have been tampered with, where no accountability exists, where information isn't even given before hand on which "vaccine" we want and where no recourse exists should the "vaccine" not work, cause some ailment, cause death, cause harm or create some sort of medical condition that was not there previously. Given the fact that lies were told routinely about President Trump, the media parroted and expounded on those lies and that the liberals are intent on getting even with Trump supporters, tampering with the "vaccine" would not surprise me in the least.

Quote from: Yuriy the Loader on January 10, 2021, 09:59:23 AM
In our company, the annual vaccination against the flu was mandatory, so I got sick twice a year, first from the vaccine, then from the flu.

It was supposedly mandantiry in the Air Force too but I told them they could go to hell and I wasn't taking any more friggin flu shots. Given the choice of dealing with congress they backed down and I haven't had a flu shot since 1970.

Our second vaccine this week.  Many in family and friends have had both already.  Everyone is doing well.  Be safe get vaccinated.  For old timers like us, Jonas Salk was a hero.  Polio is gone and worldwide lots of the diseases of the past are gone or limited.

https://www.historyofvaccines.org/timeline/all

https://www.healthaffairs.org/doi/10.1377/hlthaff.24.3.611

Quote from: midcan5 on March 29, 2021, 04:52:05 AM
Our second vaccine this week.  Many in family and friends have had both already.  Everyone is doing well.  Be safe get vaccinated.  For old timers like us, Jonas Salk was a hero.  Polio is gone and worldwide lots of the diseases of the past are gone or limited.

https://www.historyofvaccines.org/timeline/all

https://www.healthaffairs.org/doi/10.1377/hlthaff.24.3.611

Yep, the effects may not surface for years as my previous post pointed out.

Quote from: midcan5 on March 29, 2021, 04:52:05 AM
Our second vaccine this week.  Many in family and friends have had both already.  Everyone is doing well.  Be safe get vaccinated.  For old timers like us, Jonas Salk was a hero.  Polio is gone and worldwide lots of the diseases of the past are gone or limited.

https://www.historyofvaccines.org/timeline/all

https://www.healthaffairs.org/doi/10.1377/hlthaff.24.3.611

Quit lying! It is not a vaccine!

Quote from: dickfoster on March 26, 2021, 03:30:22 PM
It was supposedly mandantiry in the Air Force too but I told them they could go to hell and I wasn't taking any more friggin flu shots. Given the choice of dealing with congress they backed down and I haven't had a flu shot since 1970.

Good for you! Thank you for your service. It must have taken a great deal of courage, knowledge and commitment to refuse the Air Force's "mandate" but, I for one am glad that you did!