Quote from: tac on September 29, 2015, 05:30:46 PM

If you had voted for Obozo, he'd we'd be paying your bills. 

Never forget who is paying the bills

Quote from: Billy's bayonet on September 29, 2015, 04:37:43 PM

Proof??????....something to do with an 18 Trillion dollar credit card bill and 96 Million Americans out of work.

So prove how 'spending your way out of debt' is going to become a reality.

What the fuck are you talking about? I never said anything about spending the way out of debt. In fact, my argument is the exact opposite. That spending needs to be reduced so the deficit can be eliminated. Try reading the thread from the start. Not once did I advocate for an increase in spending. I specifically said that all these pols want to cut taxes a lot, but cut spending less if at all. That is the entire purpose of the thread.

Quote from: taxed on September 29, 2015, 04:39:08 PM
I'm just asking you simple questions.  Yes or no: are poor people hurt by rich people saving money?  You can post smilies all you want, but everyone sees you can't answer this question.

It doesn't hurt poor people if rich save money.  Do you agree or disagree?

I will answer your question when you provide links proving the conclusions reached in the IMF study are false. I asked for proof that the IMF study is false long before you asked me if rich people spending money hurt or helped the poor.

Quote from: Solar on September 29, 2015, 05:00:04 PM

According to him, you are greedy for not paying more in taxes.

Another lie. Not once did I call for taxes to be raised. You continue to lie about what claims I've made.

Quote from: The Fiscal Conservative on September 29, 2015, 06:42:37 PM
What the fuck are you talking about? I never said anything about spending the way out of debt. In fact, my argument is the exact opposite. That spending needs to be reduced so the deficit can be eliminated. Try reading the thread from the start. Not once did I advocate for an increase in spending. I specifically said that all these pols want to cut taxes a lot, but cut spending less if at all. That is the entire purpose of the thread.

Liar! Not one time did you advocate spending cuts, until I broached the issue.
Your whole premise has been about taxes and that the evil rich aren't paying enough.

Quote from: The Fiscal Conservative on September 29, 2015, 06:44:53 PM
Another lie. Not once did I call for taxes to be raised. You continue to lie about what claims I've made.

Not a lie when one can easily deduce form your bull shit that the problem is not enough taxes beinng paid, and never once did you mention cutting spending.
What do you take us for, idiots like you?

Quote from: Solar on September 29, 2015, 07:14:12 PM
Liar! Not one time did you advocate spending cuts, until I broached the issue.
Your whole premise has been about taxes and that the evil rich aren't paying enough.

This is what I said in the first post in the entire thread:

QuoteThe problem is they all want to slash taxes, but they aren't willing to slash spending. Or at least not near as much as they slash taxes. This of course leads to a rising deficit. The more the deficit rises, the faster the debt rises. The higher the debt, the more way have to pay in interest on the debt. This is basic Economics.

And no, not once did I say that the "evil rich aren't paying enough". If I did make such a claim, either quote me, or tell me the post number where I made this claim.

Quote from: Solar on September 29, 2015, 07:16:30 PM
Not a lie when one can easily deduce form your bull shit that the problem is not enough taxes beinng paid, and never once did you mention cutting spending.
What do you take us for, idiots like you?

Read the first post in the thread, idiot. I said that the problem is that all these Republicans want to slash taxes, but don't want to slash spending. That was the entire basis of the thread. Lower taxes + same spending = higher deficit.

Christ almighty. Can you even read?

And not once have I called for taxes to be raised. Again, if I did say taxes should be raised, quote me, or tell me the post numbers. That's a lie.

Quote from: The Fiscal Conservative on September 29, 2015, 07:30:10 PM
Read the first post in the thread, idiot. I said that the problem is that all these Republicans want to slash taxes, but don't want to slash spending. That was the entire basis of the thread. Lower taxes + same spending = higher deficit.

Christ almighty. Can you even read?

And not once have I called for taxes to be raised. Again, if I did say taxes should be raised, quote me, or tell me the post numbers. That's a lie.

But threw a fit when I suggested that lowering them spurs on economic growth.
Which is when you tossed out your little Trickle down BS claiming cutting taxes doesn't create growth.
Son, you can't have it both ways.

Quote from: Solar on September 29, 2015, 07:36:39 PM
But threw a fit when I suggested that lowering them spurs on economic growth.
Which is when you tossed out your little Trickle down BS claiming cutting taxes doesn't create growth.
Son, you can't have it both ways.

Yes, I said that taxes should not be lowered. That is not the same as saying taxes should be raised. Even if your feeble mind cannot tell the difference.

I'm all for lowering personal taxes when we're back into a surplus and have started paying off the debt. We are not there. Not even close.

Quote from: The Fiscal Conservative on September 29, 2015, 07:39:34 PM
Yes, I said that taxes should not be lowered. That is not the same as saying taxes should be raised. Even if your feeble mind cannot tell the difference.

I'm all for lowering personal taxes when we're back into a surplus and have started paying off the debt. We are not there. Not even close.

At the rate we're going the debt never will be paid down. Tax cuts spur on growth, growth means more people working, growth also means wages increase.
Tax increases as in what the IMF propose staggers growth, because those with money refuse to invest in a threatened economy.

Reagan proved that lowering taxes during a recession improved the economy and brought in more revenue to the fed.

This is all basic Econ 101.

Quote from: Solar on September 29, 2015, 07:46:53 PM
At the rate we're going the debt never will be paid down. Tax cuts spur on growth, growth means more people working, growth also means wages increase.
Tax increases as in what the IMF propose staggers growth, because those with money refuse to invest in a threatened economy.

Reagan proved that lowering taxes during a recession improved the economy and brought in more revenue to the fed.

This is all basic Econ 101.

They don't broach that subject in schools anymore Solar, because the instant they do, the lunacy of the leftist's economic policies, is clearly and abundantly revealed.

Holy crap it's Sioux Rebel's brother.

Quote from: The Boo Man... on September 29, 2015, 08:17:06 PM
Holy crap it's Sioux Rebel's brother.

Sue has a twin brother?   

Quote from: The Fiscal Conservative on September 29, 2015, 06:44:02 PM
I will answer your question when you provide links proving the conclusions reached in the IMF study are false. I asked for proof that the IMF study is false long before you asked me if rich people spending money hurt or helped the poor.

(* sigh *)

You didn't post a "study".  You, "The Fiscal Conservative", posted an article about a socialist/Marxist economist's incorrect opinion on "trickle-down".  One reason I was trying to ask you some basic, simple boolean questions was I wanted to transition you into understanding the term "trickle down economics" is a pejorative against what is known as "supply side economics".

Anyway, here's a few articles:

http://fee.org/freeman/supply-side-economics-in-one-lesson/

http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/1999/02/time-for-lower-income-tax-rate

http://www.investopedia.com/articles/05/011805.asp



Since you're young, here's a nice little rap to help understand some basics:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0nERTFo-Sk



Back to savings.  Here's a great article using cartoons to illustrate the concept:

https://mises.org/library/how-saving-grows-economy


I hope you read these and are able to discuss.